Chief Stipe Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Surely after two dominant Grp1's in Australian and his NZ form must be a shoe in for Horse Of The Year!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 You'd think so.... but look who owns Melody Belle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 Well Bostonian beat some good horses in the first Grp 1. Happy Clapper 5th on the global ratings! Unfortunately we are still living in a false world where we think our Grp races compare with other countries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Let's look at how the two contenders did (especially against each other) this season in Noo Zilllan' Bostonian 1st in the Counties Bowl fresh up over 1100m on a Slow track in November. Beats subsequent Railway winner and runner-up Santa Monica (2nd), Princes Kereru (5th). Melody Belle not in the race. Bostonian 7th in the Railway - Melody Belle 3rd, topweight, narrowly behind lightweights Santa Monica (1st) and Princess Kereru (2nd). Bostonian 5th in 1:07:30 in a very fast Telegraph (Enzo's Lad 1:06:95), when Melody Belle inexplicably runs 16th. Bostonian 2nd btn a head by Melody Belle (1st) and conceding 2kg to her, with Ardrossan 3rd in the BCD Gr 1 sprint over 1400m, WFA at Te Rapa. Bostonian 5th btn by Melody Belle (1st), Wyndspelle, Consensus and More Wonder in Gr 1 Haunui Farm Classic, 1600m WFA In summary, Melody Belle beat Bostonian three out of four times in NZ this season, over 1200m, 1400m and 1600m. She beat him right-handed and left-handed, conceding weight to him and getting weight from him. The only time he beat her was in the Telegraph (he 5th; she 16th). How would Melody Belle go against him in Queensland ?? We'll never know, I guess, but chances are she's a tad better than him on any given day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 But Bostonian was being prepared for the Aussie targets. Melody Belle was being targeted to the Kiwi Group 1's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Weasel said: Let's look at how the two contenders did (especially against each other) this season in Noo Zilllan' Bostonian 1st in the Counties Bowl fresh up over 1100m on a Slow track in November. Beats subsequent Railway winner and runner-up Santa Monica (2nd), Princes Kereru (5th). Melody Belle not in the race. Bostonian 7th in the Railway - Melody Belle 3rd, topweight, narrowly behind lightweights Santa Monica (1st) and Princess Kereru (2nd). Bostonian 5th in 1:07:30 in a very fast Telegraph (Enzo's Lad 1:06:95), when Melody Belle inexplicably runs 16th. Bostonian 2nd btn a head by Melody Belle (1st) and conceding 2kg to her, with Ardrossan 3rd in the BCD Gr 1 sprint over 1400m, WFA at Te Rapa. Bostonian 5th btn by Melody Belle (1st), Wyndspelle, Consensus and More Wonder in Gr 1 Haunui Farm Classic, 1600m WFA In summary, Melody Belle beat Bostonian three out of four times in NZ this season, over 1200m, 1400m and 1600m. She beat him right-handed and left-handed, conceding weight to him and getting weight from him. The only time he beat her was in the Telegraph (he 5th; she 16th). How would Melody Belle go against him in Queensland ?? We'll never know, I guess, but chances are she's a tad better than him on any given day. Correct Weasel. At this point in time she would rate the higher for Horse Of The Year title. 5 G1 wins in NZ compared to 2 G1 wins in Queensland. He would need to win the Stradbroke to have any chance of beating her. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said: But Bostonian was being prepared for the Aussie targets. Melody Belle was being targeted to the Kiwi Group 1's. You can't convince me that Bostonian was 'being prepared for Aussie targets' when he lined up in the Railway and the Telegraph and the BCD Sprint in the summer. He was being prepared to win those races! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I won't try to convince you then 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Weasel said: You can't convince me that Bostonian was 'being prepared for Aussie targets' when he lined up in the Railway and the Telegraph and the BCD Sprint in the summer. He was being prepared to win those races! Not necessarily based on his previous year and his long break. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 12 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Not necessarily based on his previous year and his long break. Not denying that Queensland in the winter was on the radar..but to imply that he was not 'ready' for Melody Belle et al in the past summer is ridiculous...look at his time in the Telegraph (a tick over 1:07). Based on head-to-head history and each having a decent trip, MB would beat TB in the Stradbroke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I'm not sure of the exact criteria - and I'm only asking a question - isn't NZ HOTY based on NZ form...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 21 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Surely after two dominant Grp1's in Australian and his NZ form must be a shoe in for Horse Of The Year!!! hey Chief...are you gilding the Bostonian lily here? Since when could a 'neck, neck'' margin be described as 'dominant' ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Freda said: I'm not sure of the exact criteria - and I'm only asking a question - isn't NZ HOTY based on NZ form...? The New Zealand Champion Racehorse of the Year is awarded to the Thoroughbred horse who is voted to be the best racehorse within a New Zealand racing season. This award is open to all racehorses racing within New Zealand, regardless of age and sex. Overseas performances are now included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Freda said: I'm not sure of the exact criteria - and I'm only asking a question - isn't NZ HOTY based on NZ form...? Bonneval is a prime example that it isn't Freda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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