Lazarus Sale: This will be interesting to follow

[globederby12]

Come on , if he had a virus he would miss a lot of trackwork. You dont just bob up again and run 1.49 off the bat, with limited prep. 

Bloody hard bunch you lot.

[hunterthepunter]

if you pay 4 mil for him you would wont to have him spot on and you would think they leave no stone unturned and not race with a virus

[Brodie]

It may just be a bit of a hiccup though.

The Thing is that he is a stallion and he may well have other things on his mind!

The biggest problem is that if they continue to race him and he doesn’t win, all it is doing is making him not as commercial as if he was winning.

If he was able to win many races over there over the pathetic mile distance then he would attract heaps of speed mares in U.S.A.

If he doesn’t then I would say they would possibly send him back to NZ to be at stud where his value is huge for our breeders.

Personally couldn’t understand why they sold him as I believe  his value at stud in NZ was more than what they got for him.

The owners choice obviously, but if I owned him I would’ve enjoyed having him in NZ and breeding and leaving winning horses here!

 

Edited September 16, 2018 by Brodie

[Flagship uberalles]

5 minutes ago, Brodie said:

It may just be a bit of a hiccup though.

The Thing is that he is a stallion and he may well have other things on his mind!

The biggest problem is that if they continue to race him and he doesn’t win, all it is doing is making him not as commercial as if he was winning.

If he was able to win many races over there over the pathetic mile distance then he would attract heaps of speed mares in U.S.A.

If he doesn’t then I would say they would possibly send him back to NZ to be at stud where his value is huge for our breeders.

Personally couldn’t understand why they sold him as I believe  his value at stud in NZ was more than what they got for him.

The owners choice obviously, but if I owned him I would’ve enjoyed having him in NZ and breeding and leaving winning horses here!

 

 Do we know what time they ran today?

[hunterthepunter]

6 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said:

 Do we know what time they ran today?

1.48 I think flagships

[Flagship uberalles]

2 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said:

1.48 I think flagships

Thanks H.P

[Yankiwi]

 

[Brodie]

I note Te Kawau ran 3rd in the race, Think originally trained by Stephen Doody.

He was not a bad horse here but he must be very old now, so obviously Lazarus isn’t going as well as he should be.

The Thing is though as I have said many times, any horse can run a mile and because of the short distance it doesn’t sort the men out from the boys, as they say.

If they ran over longer distances in the USA then he would be winning.

Bit of A Legend has been a legend over in the U.S.A. and he was last his used by date when he left NZ, so it just show you how Mile Racing can make good horses into great horses and vice versa.

[Happy Sunrise]

Good on Laz.

Nerves settled ?

[Brodie]

3 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said:

Good on Laz.

Nerves settled ?

Good on Lazarus winning again, owners deserve a return on their money!

Lucky it wasn’t another 50metres or he was beaten.

Very boring race once again though!

[Happy Sunrise]

6 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Very boring race once again though!

True, but that is just the way it is over there.

I would never get used it, to be honest.

[globederby12]

Burned early, held on from the swoopers. 1.48.4.  Lets face it he is a very good racehorse, period. And he is doing us proud as the Wonder from Downunder,. 

 

[hunterthepunter]

2 minutes ago, globederby12 said:

Burned early, held on from the swoopers. 1.48.4.  Lets face it he is a very good racehorse, period. And he is doing us proud as the Wonder from Downunder,. 

 

could be good add for selling a lot more horses over there If he keeps winning

[Happy Sunrise]

20 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said:

could be good add for selling a lot more horses over there If he keeps winning

We will fix them up with some good horses.

[Brodie]

Let’s face it though that anything can run time over there on those tracks.

Our maidens would go 1.54 no problems.

[Happy Sunrise]

Now they are backing him up next Saturday. Seems like the initial plan of just a few starts is out the window. You wouldn't want to be a delicate or slightly unsound horse going to the USA as they seem to race a lot. Maybe it is no surprise Christen Me struggles.

ADAM HAMILTON, Herald Sun

September 22, 2018 5:03pm

LAZARUS’ North American career is back on target after a powerhouse display to beat a hot field in the $US177,000 Group 1 Indiana Pacing Derby at Hoosier Park.

It was a crunch race for the former Kiwi champion after consecutive defeats in Canada took the gloss of his breathtaking North America debut win, also at Hoosier Park, last month.

Trainer Jimmy Takter praised Lazarus’ courage after saying pre-race the entire was “about 90 per cent right” and taking on the best open-class pacers in North America.

“He’s still got improvement there for sure. He’s going to need more racing. It’s amazing what he can do off a short preparation so I’ll take him to the Dayton Park Derby next weekend as well now,” Takter said.

“That was a big win when you take everything into account. I said before the race he was about 90 per cent right and he had to dig very deep in the stretch (home straight). I’m very proud of what he did.”

Lazarus, much like he did winning when last at Hoosier Park, worked from a wide draw (gate six) and found the lead, but after a slick 26.0sec opening quarter.

Driver Yannick Gingras dictated the terms through the middle stages, mindful of a strong headwind down the back straight and also of his main danger, McWicked, had a perfect one-one trail.

“He just about felt as good tonight as when he won the Dan Patch (his North American debut win). That was a brave effort because he worked hard for the first quarter,” Gingras said.

“He felt really strong on the corner (home bend), but I knew he’d get tired late. He knew they were coming at him and kept digging in. He fought it right out tonight.”

Lazarus held-on to beat McWicked by a neck in 1min48.8sec mile and ripped home his last quarter in 25.8sec.

Lazarus’ win took his North American record to two wins and two seconds from just four starts and gives him a 2-1 advantage over McWicked, who many believe was North American’s benchmark open-class star before Lazarus arrived there.

[Flagship uberalles]

1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said:

Now they are backing him up next Saturday. Seems like the initial plan of just a few starts is out the window. You wouldn't want to be a delicate or slightly unsound horse going to the USA as they seem to race a lot. Maybe it is no surprise Christen Me struggles.

ADAM HAMILTON, Herald Sun

September 22, 2018 5:03pm

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LAZARUS’ North American career is back on target after a powerhouse display to beat a hot field in the $US177,000 Group 1 Indiana Pacing Derby at Hoosier Park.

It was a crunch race for the former Kiwi champion after consecutive defeats in Canada took the gloss of his breathtaking North America debut win, also at Hoosier Park, last month.

Trainer Jimmy Takter praised Lazarus’ courage after saying pre-race the entire was “about 90 per cent right” and taking on the best open-class pacers in North America.

“He’s still got improvement there for sure. He’s going to need more racing. It’s amazing what he can do off a short preparation so I’ll take him to the Dayton Park Derby next weekend as well now,” Takter said.

“That was a big win when you take everything into account. I said before the race he was about 90 per cent right and he had to dig very deep in the stretch (home straight). I’m very proud of what he did.”

Lazarus, much like he did winning when last at Hoosier Park, worked from a wide draw (gate six) and found the lead, but after a slick 26.0sec opening quarter.

Driver Yannick Gingras dictated the terms through the middle stages, mindful of a strong headwind down the back straight and also of his main danger, McWicked, had a perfect one-one trail.

“He just about felt as good tonight as when he won the Dan Patch (his North American debut win). That was a brave effort because he worked hard for the first quarter,” Gingras said.

“He felt really strong on the corner (home bend), but I knew he’d get tired late. He knew they were coming at him and kept digging in. He fought it right out tonight.”

Lazarus held-on to beat McWicked by a neck in 1min48.8sec mile and ripped home his last quarter in 25.8sec.

Lazarus’ win took his North American record to two wins and two seconds from just four starts and gives him a 2-1 advantage over McWicked, who many believe was North American’s benchmark open-class star before Lazarus arrived there.

Must take it out on the horses racing at high speed week after week........I haven't heard anything about poor old Christin me. Hope he hasn't booked a berth on one of the trucks to Mexico that alot of the past their used by date horses go on in America.

[Basil]

15 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said:

True, but that is just the way it is over there.

I would never get used it, to be honest.

To be fair though, that's largely because they go so fast — you're not going to see many lead changes, or swoopers from the back, when they're running successive 54 second halves off the front. The breed has evolved to the extent that, at least over a mile, they can burn early and still keep going — so the only way you'll get NZ-style changes of position is if drivers start playing cat-and-mouse (which would then be subject to its own criticism).

Is it boring? As a contest, perhaps yes. But if you enjoy seeing athletic ability pushed to its potential bounds, then surely not. I don't think many would say Kipchoge's recording-breaking run in last week's Berlin marathon was boring, despite it being a complete procession.

[globederby12]

4 hours ago, Brodie said:

Let’s face it though that anything can run time over there on those tracks.

Our maidens would go 1.54 no problems.

I don't know if you have noticed , but the whole idea is to run " time".

And our maiden would be half the length of the straight behind running 1.54.

You are watching the top open class free forallers Brodie, and miles have been the fare in the States since Adam was a cowboy. Get used to it, and if you find it boring don't watch it . 

If anything is becomming boring , it's yr banal comments.

[Flagship uberalles]

1 hour ago, globederby12 said:

I don't know if you have noticed , but the whole idea is to run " time".

And our maiden would be half the length of the straight behind running 1.54.

You are watching the top open class free forallers Brodie, and miles have been the fare in the States since Adam was a cowboy. Get used to it, and if you find it boring don't watch it . 

If anything is becomming boring , it's yr banal comments.

Your young Trotter went a nice race yesterday Rees, made up a lot of ground on Davey Mac. I thought $7.5 on monty today was not bad money.

[globederby12]

45 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said:

Your young Trotter went a nice race yesterday Rees, made up a lot of ground on Davey Mac. I thought $7.5 on monty today was not bad money.

Thanx Flag. He's a bit suspect from a stand but he got into his work well and finished it off nicely, and barring accidents he should be in for a great season. As for Monty, it's not a bad field and 40 is a way back first up. He would have to have everything go his way, but first 4s definitely. 

As an aside a full sister to Dark Horse was born the other day and we hope we can add her to the barn. Two excitement machines??.

[Happy Sunrise]

4 hours ago, globederby12 said:

You are watching the top open class free forallers Brodie, and miles have been the fare in the States since Adam was a cowboy. Get used to it, and if you find it boring don't watch it . 

If anything is becomming boring , it's yr banal comments

Well, I don't normally watch it because it is dreary. Only watch it to see how Lazarus is going. 

I don't think Brodie's comments are banal. I think a lot of pacers under a 50 rating here would go 1 54. Put then on Ashburton and they would go 1 56. Many 60 to 80 rated horses would go 1 50 or 1 51 since they all seem to go fast over there.

 

[globederby12]

2 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said:

Well, I don't normally watch it because it is dreary. Only watch it to see how Lazarus is going. 

I don't think Brodie's comments are banal. I think a lot of pacers under a 50 rating here would go 1 54. Put then on Ashburton and they would go 1 56. Many 60 to 80 rated horses would go 1 50 or 1 51 since they all seem to go fast over there.

 

Here's a question Happy. How do you think McWicked would go over 2 miles or in a Victorian Cup . Think he would get 3.56 or near it. I know it is never going to happen , but it might put into perspective the talent Lazarus is.

As Basil so rightly said the breed has evolved to run fast sectionals over a mile at least. Lazarus has nothing to prove to anyone frankly, as he has posted world class times over a range of distances.

One in a millennium horse. Enjoy.

[Happy Sunrise]

2 hours ago, globederby12 said:

Here's a question Happy. How do you think McWicked would go over 2 miles or in a Victorian Cup . Think he would get 3.56 or near it. I know it is never going to happen , but it might put into perspective the talent Lazarus is.

I am not denying his ability for one moment.

I do not enjoy watching the racing style despite it being fast.

I think McWicked, or any horse who only runs miles, would start gagging for air past 2000m! 

They do all seem to go quick over there. Just looking at some results this weekend and a qualifier went 1 56. A race worth $3 500 had the winner go 1 55.4.  A $2 750 race went 1 56. If you are not running somewhere in the mid 1 50s its seems you are nowhere.

[globederby12]

The funny thing is even allowing for advances in equine training , nutrition and equipment, times have come down real slow. The 1rst time a sub two minute time was posted was way back in 1899 by a trotter called Star Pointer, and they were running 1.53 back in the 60,s.aka Bret Hanover.  Once again I will reiterate that Artificial Insem introduced in the 60,s has narrowed the gene pool down so much that we have generations of clone horses. Every now and then we get an aberration. Don't forget Happy the Little Brown Jug is raced in heats on the same day. So they have to be tough and cleaned winded to run sub 1.50s within hours of each race.