Happy Sunrise Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Wow. Balls grown and shows they are serious about the whip rule. Good stuff. On the flipside, hope the young fella gets its sorted quick and is back in the game very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Wow. Balls grown and shows they are serious about the whip rule. Good stuff. On the flipside, hope the young fella gets its sorted quick and is back in the game very soon. I appreciate Happy that he seriously broke the rule of 10 hits, however to demote him to back to trials is unfairly,. Why haven’t the professional horsemen that have been done for excessive whip had their licenses downgraded to trials as well? Easy kill for the RIU, think he would’ve learnt more by giving him a suspension rather than demotion, as clearly the young man can clearly drive well by winning his first and only drive!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Brodie said: I appreciate Happy that he seriously broke the rule of 10 hits, however to demote him to back to trials is unfairly,. Why haven’t the professional horsemen that have been done for excessive whip had their licenses downgraded to trials as well? Easy kill for the RIU, think he would’ve learnt more by giving him a suspension rather than demotion, as clearly the young man can clearly drive well by winning his first and only drive!! He clearly had not had enough trials experience before being granted a licence - perhaps the senior horsemen and stipe that signed him off should be "downgraded" also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Taku Umanga said: He clearly had not had enough trials experience before being granted a licence - perhaps the senior horsemen and stipe that signed him off should be "downgraded" also? Don’t know Sam Thornley at all, but I do know from watching Copperhead Rose, that she only runs well from vigorous urging. Sam was clearly driving from instructions which he followed. Another Win by the horse at Addington, the driver showed the same vigour and was not punished if I recall correctly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Taku Umanga said: He clearly had not had enough trials experience before being granted a licence - perhaps the senior horsemen and stipe that signed him off should be "downgraded" also? What next Full License holders downgraded to Amateur! Time to downgrade the RIU to full retard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Don’t know Sam Thornley at all, but I do know from watching Copperhead Rose, that she only runs well from vigorous urging. Sam was clearly driving from instructions which he followed. Another Win by the horse at Addington, the driver showed the same vigour and was not punished if I recall correctly. copperhead rose is a he not a she 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: copperhead rose is a he not a she poor old brodster seldom on the money thesedays hopefully nothing more than a few cups of tea and lie downs are required 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 15 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Wow. Balls grown and shows they are serious about the whip rule. Good stuff. On the flipside, hope the young fella gets its sorted quick and is back in the game very soon. Really are they that serious? The RIU went for a soft kill and once again showed their inconsistency. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: copperhead rose is a he not a she Apologise must be transgender with rose name 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Really are they that serious? The RIU went for a soft kill and once again showed their inconsistency. You are a very wise man Chief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Brodie said: You are a very wise man Chief Maybe Sam could appeal on the basis that "the punishment will affect his earning potential in disproportion to the seriousness of the crime"? Hasn't that been used recently? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Bit tough when u drive a perfect race and win and they tell Sam that he is not good enough yet to be driving in tote races. Some of the RIU should go back to school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Bit tough when u drive a perfect race and win and they tell Sam that he is not good enough yet to be driving in tote races. Some of the RIU should go back to school 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Maybe Sam could appeal on the basis that "the punishment will affect his earning potential in disproportion to the seriousness of the crime"? Hasn't that been used recently? Well, if the RIU, JCA and the TAB had their shit together and not be so inconsistent then we would have nothing to talk (moan, complain) about. How do some of these bodies cope with INCA? ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Well, if the RIU, JCA and the TAB had their shit together and not be so inconsistent then we would have nothing to talk (moan, complain) about. How do some of these bodies cope with INCA? ? Well then we could focus on good stuff like who's going to win the next? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Longshot Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Really are they that serious? The RIU went for a soft kill and once again showed their inconsistency. Please direct me to any driver who has hit their horse 25 times in 300 metres to win a race in the last two years. This was the right move, and decisively so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Longshot Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) Brodie, I think you've hit the point of max lunacy. It used to be fun watching you get on your soapbox. On the TAB's shenanigans you are absolutely right. But in Inca, and now especially on this Sam Thornley issue, you are displaying maximum arrogance and ignorance. When I really feel like it is unjustified. Sending the kid back to the trials was the most suitable thing to do so he can make fundamental changes to his driving and familiarise himself with the rules. He was only driving in Kidz Kartz earlier this year so whoever has fast-tracked him in a matter of months has obviously done so prematurely. In this day and age, there is a heightened awareness around horse welfare and public perception and hitting a horse that many times, so very far over the limit that its not even close, can not be tolerated. I've had enough Brodie for the year. Why don't you go and do some work on your rentals and get off BOAY for a few weeks or months. It's clearly impacting on your ability to reason soundly. Edited August 12, 2019 by Jonny Longshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Jonny Longshot said: Please direct me to any driver who has hit their horse 25 times in 300 metres to win a race in the last two years. This was the right move, and decisively so. Plenty in Oz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jonny Longshot said: Brodie, I think you've hit the point of max lunacy. It used to be fun watching you get on your soapbox. On the TAB's shenanigans you are absolutely right. But in Inca, and now especially on this Sam Thornley issue, you are displaying maximum arrogance and ignorance. When I really feel like it is unjustified. Sending the kid back to the trials was the most suitable thing to do so he can make fundamental changes to his driving and familiarise himself with the rules. He was only driving in Kidz Kartz earlier this year so whoever has fast-tracked him in a matter of months has obviously done so prematurely. In this day and age, there is a heightened awareness around horse welfare and public perception and hitting a horse that many times, so very far over the limit that its not even close, can not be tolerated. I've had enough Brodie for the year. Why don't you go and do some work on your rentals and get off BOAY for a few weeks or months. It's clearly impacting on your ability to reason soundly. Jonny, I reiterate Sam did manifestly overdo the whipp8mg without doubt, and no real defence either! However, there is a common trend that happens with many of the decisions made, and that is that the easykill are always targeted, and the big names are shown leniency and favoured. There are many instances of this which there is no point going into at this stage. Not defending Sam Thornley whatsoever and he should receive some sort of punishment. Have never seen him drive before and so just going off the one and only drive that he had on Copperhead Rose which I understand now is a male horse rather than female, as it name suggest more on the female side. The horse only responds to serious urgings as previous wins have shown it is the only way he wins. Apart from the excessive whip Sam drove the horse perfectly and sending him back to the trials to learn more is not necessarily the right way for him to learn that he used the whip far too many times! We need as many young ones coming into harness racing rather than driving them out of the sport, and geez we have got a major shortage of male juniors throughout the country at the moment and probably not looking too promising in the future! First drive and we castigate the young fellah and yes it was pretty reckless, however a severe telling off and maybe some work helping someone out unpaid would be more of a suitable punishment. Hopefully this young fellah doesn’t spit the dummy and leave the industry as I believe he has the makings of a very successful junior. As for the other stuff Johnny, you could be right, just frustrating when things are brought in to the detriment of the punter, who,without them, racing is done! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harness4All Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Back to the Thornley / Copperhead Rose theme on this thread ... Is there an emerging responsibility here for trainers of horses who they know will require 'constant persuading using the whip to deliver a potential winning run' to have a conversation with owners about the impact of that on drivers and potentially refuse to train these horses? For the good of the industry & drivers should the Copperhead Rose type horses be left unraced or retired? How many racing horses are like this ... 1% or less of the racing pool? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Harness4All said: Back to the Thornley / Copperhead Rose theme on this thread ... Is there an emerging responsibility here for trainers of horses who they know will require 'constant persuading using the whip to deliver a potential winning run' to have a conversation with owners about the impact of that on drivers and potentially refuse to train these horses? For the good of the industry & drivers should the Copperhead Rose type horses be left unraced or retired? How many racing horses are like this ... 1% or less of the racing pool? if horse like copperhead rose needs retiring there be no horses left racing in nz Riu will be retired before copperhead rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 sam is back driving Addington Friday night so don't rock the boat sam lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 3 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: sam is back driving Addington Friday night so don't rock the boat sam lol Good to see! Clearly he has the ability and I am sure he will be a successful Junior. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 This young fellah Sam Thornley drives a helluva lot better than many senior horsemen. Having only his second drive, he drove a near perfect drive on Don’t Rock The Boat to run 3rd, alongside his first drive where he won. He possibly would have won tonight if he had used the whip a bit more tonight , but didn’t as he would be worried about what happened at his first drive. Don’t know Sam Thornley at all, but he is going to have no trouble picking up plenty of drives in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I see Sam drove Don’t Rock The Boat over a week or so ago, so it was his 3rd drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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