Thomass Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 They had a golden opportunity to take the moral high ground..to capture the hearts of the 'new' generation of race goers... ...so what did they do? Yep, just COPIED the OLD Australian one...not the new World order...but that's typical with NZTR...they're frightened of their own shadows.... And now the Australian momentum is growing...how stupid will we look when they UPDATE theirs? Lloyd Williams calls for whips to be outlawed Lloyd Williams. Photo: Darryl Sherer. Article Author Racenet8:12AM23 October 2019 82 Comments When six-time Melbourne Cup winning owner Lloyd Williams speaks, racing authorities generally listen. And now one of Australia's most decorated owners has called for whips in horse racing to be immediately banned in Australia. Last week's 7.30 Report on the ABC has focused more attention on animal welfare issues in the sport and Williams says it is time to act on the whip issue. He told Melbourne's Herald Sun newspaper "the world has changed" and he believes huge damage is being done to the reputation of the industry by whip use. "Australia needs to be at forefront and withdraw the whip,” Williams told The Herald Sun. “If we are not proactive, the industry will be lucky to survive. "If the industry doesn’t do something, it will be done for them. “The world has changed. I have seen some research. The whip has to go.” Racing Victoria says the use of padded whips is continually monitored and "we understand the need to consider the perception of the padded whip and this is something that the industry nationally must continue to debate." Australian jockeys are allowed to use the whip on a horse five times before the 100m mark of any flat race and the use of the whip is then unlimited over the final stages. South Africa trialled whip free racing last year and French authorities have also reduced the amount a jockey can use the whip to five times in a race. Related Topics: Lloyd Williams 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Shouldn't be any surprises here Tommo. When has nz racing ever led from the front? Thats why we do not have ONE racetrack in the whole Country that stacks up alongside Randwick, Flemington, the Valley, etc etc. All of these tracks in Aussie can take racing 3 times in a week during carnivals and even in shit weather they mostly stack up with good surfaces. Check out the big race ( Everest ) last Saturday...broke the track record for 1200m, and even if it had been wet it would have been an outstanding surface. And we have a so-called premier racing club in auckland that can't even provide racing for 3 months of the year? The people here in NZ who should be making the decisions you refer to look like stunned possums caught in a headlight when asked the question...'Why Not'? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Kopia said: Shouldn't be any surprises here Tommo. When has nz racing ever led from the front? Thats why we do not have ONE racetrack in the whole Country that stacks up alongside Randwick, Flemington, the Valley, etc etc. All of these tracks in Aussie can take racing 3 times in a week during carnivals and even in shit weather they mostly stack up with good surfaces. Check out the big race ( Everest ) last Saturday...broke the track record for 1200m, and even if it had been wet it would have been an outstanding surface. And we have a so-called premier racing club in auckland that can't even provide racing for 3 months of the year? The people here in NZ who should be making the decisions you refer to look like stunned possums caught in a headlight when asked the question...'Why Not'? And you can add the champagne turf of Trentham to Auckland , Trentham hasn't raced there for over 3 months and still going to be a bog on Saturday so it will be all cut up for the rest of the spring and early summer . When the PREMIER clubs of NZ can't get it right what hope for the rest . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 19 hours ago, Kopia said: Shouldn't be any surprises here Tommo. When has nz racing ever led from the front? Thats why we do not have ONE racetrack in the whole Country that stacks up alongside Randwick, Flemington, the Valley, etc etc. All of these tracks in Aussie can take racing 3 times in a week during carnivals and even in shit weather they mostly stack up with good surfaces. Check out the big race ( Everest ) last Saturday...broke the track record for 1200m, and even if it had been wet it would have been an outstanding surface. And we have a so-called premier racing club in auckland that can't even provide racing for 3 months of the year? The people here in NZ who should be making the decisions you refer to look like stunned possums caught in a headlight when asked the question...'Why Not'? Well that's what our hero Winn wants to do koppa... Centralise, which in turn allows a 'group' fund to develop world class track surfaces... but you've changed subjects again Lethal COMPLETELY forgot about the 'new' whip rule and went back to bezerk default mode last week... IMGAINE if they all did that in the next G 1 race...after connections told them.. "forget about the new whip rule...just GO NUTS because this is a f in G1..ok?" And we won't allow protests...ffs...it's only a matter of time, and these new rules are dead Set made for it, ...that an owner will force the issue and the Feds will have to explain the b/s that won't allow it...while talking with a mouthful of marbles...as usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Your feckin hero, not everyones Tommo. I don't recall him saying 12 months ago that any progress forward was conditional on selling private property and having the proceeds deposited into RITA bank accounts...it was an option put forward by his mate messara, now it seems to be the ONLY option? Clearly the greens and his best friend goofy have put the skids under him... Anyway, of course Inners got one over the j.c.a. How often has he done that, and they fold and say shit like..'its not setting a precedent, its a special case..blah blah blah....' he's extra good at playing the field this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Imagine if you will koppa... HK having 20 courses spread around its wee area and the wastage that entails... ...As an industry we need around 4/5 Courses in the North Is. All funding targeted to having first class facilities and Tracks... The Greenfields in Cambridge will be the Blue Print...going forward....and who doesn't like a go forward? As for the Queen's City BP... Turn HQ into a mini Shatin...and Avondale into its training centre...that'll cover the burgeoning Aucks population and HQ might even allow a Chinese person on course? Are these new Ellerslie suits racist or what? Getting rid of Chinese New Year day....and keeping Irish Day? Who knew we had so many more Irish than Chinese in Queen's City? Edited October 28, 2019 by Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 On 25/10/2019 at 10:49 AM, Kopia said: Your feckin hero, not everyones Tommo. I don't recall him saying 12 months ago that any progress forward was conditional on selling private property and having the proceeds deposited into RITA bank accounts...it was an option put forward by his mate messara, now it seems to be the ONLY option? I understood that ' the upgrading of selected tracks ' was conditional upon the sales of other tracks.... there isn't any money from anywhere else. Of course, if the NZTR plan of closing tracks continues on without being able to steal community assets, the state of those 'selected tracks ' which will be forced to hold extra racedays without any upgrade, will be interesting. The recent Gore situation - down for closure eventually - running its third racemeeting in a month on Thursday. . Winton, not allowed to run at its own track, sent to Ascot Park - hang on, unusable, what a wonderful choice for a track to retain - has to run at Gore. Masterstroke, guys. It would have been understandable if Gore had given the industry the middle finger, but, to their credit, chose to look after the hapless stakeholders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 There you go being deliberately ' obtuse' again Tommo. You know that I have said before that Ellerslie should be showcase of NZ racing..WITH horses trained on site. So the reference to HongKong is irrelevant. Its not about how many racetracks we should have or need in NZ. My objection is to the suggestion by messara and peters that 'they' will just 'take' private property, i,e, racecourses owned by clubs, force a sale and take the proceeds... Okay, how about this scenario...you've heard that New World supermarket is going to build a mega market near your house. They need more land for their parking area. so they get some legal whiz to try and get an order from a court that they can simply 'take' your house and sell it,and keep the proceeds. How would you react to that? I don't see too much difference to what peters/messara et al think they're going to do to Avondale, Rotorua racing clubs ( to name 2 ). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Thomass said: Imagine if you will koppa... HK having 20 courses spread around its wee area and the wastage that entails... ...As an industry we need around 4/5 Courses in the North Is. All funding targeted to having first class facilities and Tracks... The Greenfields in Cambridge will be the Blue Print...going forward....and who doesn't like a go forward? As for the Queen's City BP... Turn HQ into a mini Shatin...and Avondale into its training centre...that'll cover the burgeoning Aucks population and HQ might even allow a Chinese person on course? Are these new Ellerslie suits racist or what? Getting rid of Chinese New Year day....and keeping Irish Day? Who knew we had so many more Irish than Chinese in Queen's City? As for Greenfields - it will be smack in the middle of suburbia and obsolete before it gets going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 24/10/2019 at 11:09 AM, Thomass said: They had a golden opportunity to take the moral high ground..to capture the hearts of the 'new' generation of race goers... ...so what did they do? Yep, just COPIED the OLD Australian one...not the new World order...but that's typical with NZTR...they're frightened of their own shadows.... And now the Australian momentum is growing...how stupid will we look when they UPDATE theirs? Lloyd Williams calls for whips to be outlawed Lloyd Williams. Photo: Darryl Sherer. Article Author Racenet8:12AM23 October 2019 82 Comments When six-time Melbourne Cup winning owner Lloyd Williams speaks, racing authorities generally listen. And now one of Australia's most decorated owners has called for whips in horse racing to be immediately banned in Australia. Last week's 7.30 Report on the ABC has focused more attention on animal welfare issues in the sport and Williams says it is time to act on the whip issue. He told Melbourne's Herald Sun newspaper "the world has changed" and he believes huge damage is being done to the reputation of the industry by whip use. "Australia needs to be at forefront and withdraw the whip,” Williams told The Herald Sun. “If we are not proactive, the industry will be lucky to survive. "If the industry doesn’t do something, it will be done for them. “The world has changed. I have seen some research. The whip has to go.” Racing Victoria says the use of padded whips is continually monitored and "we understand the need to consider the perception of the padded whip and this is something that the industry nationally must continue to debate." Australian jockeys are allowed to use the whip on a horse five times before the 100m mark of any flat race and the use of the whip is then unlimited over the final stages. South Africa trialled whip free racing last year and French authorities have also reduced the amount a jockey can use the whip to five times in a race. Related Topics: Lloyd Williams Momentum is growing in opposition to striking horses with whips...now Michelle Payne, Chris Waller and even Hugh Bowman are saying the only reason a jockey needs to carry a whip is for correctional purposes. NZ could lead the way here-but we know that NZTR won't-by 2 measures: 1. As above, ban riders being able to strike horses with whips in an attempt to gain an advantage, and 2. Initiate the right to protest against placegetters if the rule is breached as in (1) above. How hard would it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 Yep...even Shorn Ritchie said... " how can we allow a whip to be used to make animals go faster" Then Mick Guerin...who by the way simply HATES this debate...and refuses to even acknowledge it... ...said..." oh last week when Shorn talked about the whip...Ive spoken to him and he didn't really mean what he said" Yea na Mick... wtf up...it's a 'thing' ok? But to the head thread and your question Koppa... Itd be very very easy...'yous make da rules and they abide by them' Restrict to 5 in total until a totes ban...heavily fined and suspended if 6/7 and other connections allowed to protest... ...any more than 7 and you're DQ'd Relly relly f in easy Koppa A G1 violation is just around the corner...it happened in the Telegraph this year but both 1/2 Jocks were guilty... Nabber McNab again...he's simply outta control this boy as well...needs a calm the f down lesson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 the end of whipping, was really brought home to me when ms9yearold was watching a fighting finish on the 52" Tv and jumps up Yelling That rider is HITTING and WHIPPING The Horse!!! Instantly went off watching! Now with the HD Super Slow moe wiz of today! the Flaying of the Whips are very challenge to more and more... A technical question? Spurs! I note some Au riders wearing them.. one who has 'foot in strip' seems to be, whip less and Kick more! In NZ can a rider still wear them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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