All The Aces Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 AWAPUNI TRACK RECORDS DISTANCE HORSE WEIGHT DATE TIME 800m Go Go 53kg 25 September 1993 00:48.20 1000m Navel Spray 51kg 12 January 1980 00:59.00 1100m I Robot 55.,5kg 22 December 2007 01:03.09 1200m Red Cent 53kg 17 December 1994 01:08.69 1300m Baldessarini 54kg 11 December 2004 01:15.66 1400m Maximum Star 55.5kg 28 March 2009 01:20.41 1600m Navajo Brave 51.5kg 26 December 1990 01:33.68 2000m Izonit 56kg 28 March 2009 02:00.14 2100m Antipodean 54kg 11 November 2008 02:08.17 2200m Azranee 52.5kg 16 January 1982 02:12.10 2300m Drogheda 50.5kg 17 December 1994 02:18.00 HURDLES HORSE WEIGHT DATE TIME 2600m Go For Broke 59.5kg 30 October 1976 02:49.80 2900m Ipso Facto 62kg 06 July 1992 03:11.68 STEEPLES HORSE WEIGHT DATE TIME 3200m Gold Reign 62.5kg 16 June 1978 03:57.20 3400m Black Ace 64.5kg 8 May 2002 03:59.71 4000m Grey Calute 57.5kg 12 May 1982 04:51.60 4150m The Jolly Dancer 64kg 16 September 2006 05:14.73 4400m Rioch 67kg 15 June 2013 05:13.30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Just now, All The Aces said: AWAPUNI TRACK RECORDS DISTANCE HORSE WEIGHT DATE TIME 800m Go Go 53kg 25 September 1993 00:48.20 1000m Navel Spray 51kg 12 January 1980 00:59.00 1100m I Robot 55.,5kg 22 December 2007 01:03.09 1200m Red Cent 53kg 17 December 1994 01:08.69 1300m Baldessarini 54kg 11 December 2004 01:15.66 1400m Maximum Star 55.5kg 28 March 2009 01:20.41 1600m Navajo Brave 51.5kg 26 December 1990 01:33.68 2000m Izonit 56kg 28 March 2009 02:00.14 2100m Antipodean 54kg 11 November 2008 02:08.17 2200m Azranee 52.5kg 16 January 1982 02:12.10 2300m Drogheda 50.5kg 17 December 1994 02:18.00 HURDLES HORSE WEIGHT DATE TIME 2600m Go For Broke 59.5kg 30 October 1976 02:49.80 2900m Ipso Facto 62kg 06 July 1992 03:11.68 STEEPLES HORSE WEIGHT DATE TIME 3200m Gold Reign 62.5kg 16 June 1978 03:57.20 3400m Black Ace 64.5kg 8 May 2002 03:59.71 4000m Grey Calute 57.5kg 12 May 1982 04:51.60 4150m The Jolly Dancer 64kg 16 September 2006 05:14.73 4400m Rioch 67kg 15 June 2013 05:13.30 Yes they do need to update their records. After hearing the time yesterday at the track I decided to check their records last night as 1:O8: something is a very quick time at Awapuni. So yes Gift Of Power ran 1:07:46 last December and they obviously haven't updated. Any way the time is irrelevant and a red herring as that was not the point I was making. The point was an unlucky runner last start going down in grade which is two things I take into consideration when doing a pre-race analysis as I advised earlier in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Did you not read when I said a number of those times are wrong. Gift Of Power 1200m 1.07.46 (2018) Maygrove 2100m 2.07.32 (2017) Yorkie 4150m 5:14.02 (2013) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Any way the time is irrelevant and a red herring as that was not the point I was making. The point was an unlucky runner last start going down in grade which is two things I take into consideration when doing a pre-race analysis as I advised earlier in the thread. It may not have been the point, but you used it to tell us about the horse you find via the video. Which I couldn't find. And if I looked for one like that, I'd be likely to find dozens every race day. Down in grade is verifiably flawed. Just like the blue print. So keep using it. And don't tell Thomass that you consider R72 down to R65 down in grade. When I did that, he went apeshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Never mind Mardi you don't do video analysis so you probably wouldn't pick it up anyway. I don't mind if you think it is waste of time doing so I as I know being able to read races is an extremely important asset. Just the one bet today for me up at Te Rapa using that asset and I am pretty sure that Thomas would have been on as well. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) I didn't say it was a waste of your time doing your video analysis. It would be a waste of my time, I don't need to understand wide or unlucky in order to assess a horse's ability. Which is what I bet based on. But, you'd be right. I wouldn't pick it up anyway. I don't have the ability to work out which ones the unlucky analysis applies to, pre race. I could certainly do it post race though. Which you and your brother both do very well. Edited November 24, 2019 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Please yourself Mardi, no skin off my nose. I will keep doing what I do after all it is what I do that counts as far as my racing account balance looks and your opinion on matters has diddly squat to do with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 7 hours ago, All The Aces said: Please yourself Mardi, no skin off my nose. I will keep doing what I do after all it is what I do that counts as far as my racing account balance looks and your opinion on matters has diddly squat to do with that. I've never said you can't or shouldn't do what you like. I haven't come on here suggesting what anyone should do and what any methods of analysis are the secret to punting success. So long as you don't come on here suggesting you have the secrets to punting success that others should follow - and then refer to things like down in grade being one of those things for others to follow, then it's all good. You are very much like your brother all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I see that dickhead Hesi has been looking on and commented on the other site. Quite happy to name the horse "DH", it was Captive. Go and have a close look at the video of his run at Ellerslie when he finished tenth and if you weren't on yesterday ask yourself why the hell not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, All The Aces said: I see that dickhead Hesi has been looking on and commented on the other site. Quite happy to name the horse "DH", it was Captive. Go and have a close look at the video of his run at Ellerslie when he finished tenth and if you weren't on yesterday ask yourself why the hell not. That's interesting. I certainly didn't need to know about any unlucky run at Ellerslie. Seemed to be assessed pretty strongly without that for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Well you agree he was a very good bet then. I trust you were on. Was your brother "Hesi" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Well you agree he was a very good bet then. I trust you were on. Was your brother "Hesi" ? He might well have been a very good bet. My point was in regards the time spent analysing a video and how vital these things are. This example doesn't seem to highlight that to me. I don't assess a horse from race to race so I'm not particularly interested if a horse was unlucky and would have otherwise finished in a better position. As I say, I don't do subjective. Aside from that, no I didn't back it. I backed Piping Hot and would do so again in the same situation. I didn't back Aalaalune either even though it got to a price beyond my assessment. I rarely back horses that short unless there is nothing else at better relative value. From your posts, it's uncanny just how similar you and your brother do assessments. And write about them post race. Edited November 24, 2019 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Well you agree he was a very good bet then. I trust you were on. Was your brother "Hesi" ? Seriously ATA, you'll NEVER win with these lunatics.... If you give them 110% proof that Flying Pigs can fly...they'll say 110% the opposite... ...because they can't even work out a basic market %...amongst 101% other things... I wouldn't say it's a Litany of Lies..seeing it's the 40th Anniversary of the terrible tragedy... Buts its 110% close... Thats the narrative root 'published authors' take...they'll f you over just for the hell of it... REDZEL's trainer's wrong, Hayes shouldn't have put gear on, Whanga rail on an H 11 is value".... ...et f in el... ...and his flock of sycophantic sheep follow... Id label them a LURCH OF LUNATICS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I can't speak for others, but when I see proof, I certainly believe it. Such as when we saw 100% proof that the fraud was a fraud. I certainly believed it. Why wouldn't I? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 hours ago, mardigras said: He might well have been a very good bet. My point was in regards the time spent analysing a video and how vital these things are. This example doesn't seem to highlight that to me. I don't assess a horse from race to race so I'm not particularly interested if a horse was unlucky and would have otherwise finished in a better position. As I say, I don't do subjective. Aside from that, no I didn't back it. I backed Piping Hot and would do so again in the same situation. I didn't back Aalaalune either even though it got to a price beyond my assessment. I rarely back horses that short unless there is nothing else at better relative value. From your posts, it's uncanny just how similar you and your brother do assessments. And write about them post race. So you backed Piping Hot. Perhaps if you had taken time to watch the video of Captive you would have been on a winner instead of a loser...…..after all as he crossed the line George Simon said "And the punters got it right." perhaps he should have added" except Mardigras." ? PS. Did you notice that blinkers went on for the first time also ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, All The Aces said: So you backed Piping Hot. Perhaps if you had taken time to watch the video of Captive you would have been on a winner instead of a loser...…..after all as he crossed the line George Simon said "And the punters got it right." perhaps he should have added" except Mardigras." ? PS. Did you notice that blinkers went on for the first time also ? The video would have made zero difference to my assessment. So no, I wouldn't have backed it and happy to have not. I am certainly not doing what I do with the aim of simply backing winners. I rate thousands of horses a year as my top rated horse that I won't back, that wins. That is just another one of them. Somehow things must be working, since Betfair claim I'm one of their most successful customers. As for blinkers, I'll leave things like the flawed blue print to you and your brother. That topic has been done to death. Enjoy spending 4-5 hours watching videos for each meeting. I'd give up punting if I had to waste my time doing that each week. Hey, each to their own. You two make a great pair, that's for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 43 minutes ago, mardigras said: The video would have made zero difference to my assessment. So no, I wouldn't have backed it and happy to have not. I am certainly not doing what I do with the aim of simply backing winners. I rate thousands of horses a year as my top rated horse that I won't back, that wins. That is just another one of them. Somehow things must be working, since Betfair claim I'm one of their most successful customers. As for blinkers, I'll leave things like the flawed blue print to you and your brother. That topic has been done to death. Enjoy spending 4-5 hours watching videos for each meeting. I'd give up punting if I had to waste my time doing that each week. Hey, each to their own. You two make a great pair, that's for sure. We know already... Girl Friday curious inserts a whole lotta love stats into your data entry point...stirs it around...spits it out ...then you arb the shit out of it....including 10 selections in the Cup... ...where you didn't even mention the winner......"not to mention".... ....even though you claimed to have made "heaps" And then you claimed LOIRE....afterwards.... ...and treated her last start the same as NOT having a heart event.... Out of form v a VERY good excuse... Even Magoo flukes transiting a tram without being crushed... And even Magoo tries to open his eyes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Thomass said: ....even though you claimed to have made "heaps" Claimed heaps, no. Claimed ample, yes. And proved it. 9 minutes ago, Thomass said: And then you claimed LOIRE....afterwards.... Coming from you, this is the funniest post yet. Mr fraud who only has winners after the races. The difference is, I can prove it. I didn't think Loire was out of form. Although I had rated her on top in the Soliloquy, she was only rated 2nd in the Guineas. Same top 4 mind you. And look what the result was. The top 4. How did your blinkers on and down in grade go? Your brother wasted 4 hours watching videos for that race. Edited November 25, 2019 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, mardigras said: Claimed heaps, no. Claimed ample, yes. And proved it. Coming from you, this is the funniest post yet. Mr fraud who only has winners after the races. The difference is, I can prove it. I didn't think Loire was out of form. Although I had rated her on top in the Soliloquy, she was only rated 2nd in the Guineas. Same top 4 mind you. And look what the result was. The top 4. How did your blinkers on and down in grade go? Your brother wasted 4 hours watching videos for that race. Yep ever since the BLINKERS WENT ON LOIRE ....she's gone faster than EVER Theyve been the making of her... Of course you'd have to include her being caught 3 wide the first time in Blinkers to COMPENSATE her CORRECT time.... Something which you CANT fathom... ... due to the thickness of whatever grey matter you may have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Thomass said: Yep ever since the BLINKERS WENT ON LOIRE ....she's gone faster than EVER Theyve been the making of her... Of course you'd have to include her being caught 3 wide the first time in Blinkers to COMPENSATE her CORRECT time.... Something which you CANT fathom... ... due to the thickness of whatever grey matter you may have I don't need to know or care about blinkers. Clearly - since I backed her. Stop being your usual fuckwit, and don't bother posting unless it isn't your usual tripe. You've gone on about the same thing for so long. But you have zero credibility on the topic, since you can't provide anything before the races happen. Why don't you and your brother just get a room together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Seeing you don't watch videos of races or trials how do you assess first starters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Seeing you don't watch videos of races or trials how do you assess first starters? I don't. I've stated that many times previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, mardigras said: I don't need to know or care about blinkers. Clearly - since I backed her. Stop being your usual fuckwit, and don't bother posting unless it isn't your usual tripe. You've gone on about the same thing for so long. But you have zero credibility on the topic, since you can't provide anything before the races happen. Why don't you and your brother just get a room together? Hilarious stuff.... So obviously we ALL know she's gone FASTER since they went on.... And again OBVIOUSLY... that's moi's raisin de tear with BLINKERS.... A neddy already proven to have SUPERIOR form wouldnt be inserting BO without Trainer/Jockey thinking even more improvement is forthcoming.... It's PUNTING INTUITION 101 Kindergarten stuff... Keep sucking on the dummy but time to start toilet training 101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Thomass said: Hilarious stuff.... So obviously we ALL know she's gone FASTER since they went on.... And again OBVIOUSLY... that's moi's raisin de tear with BLINKERS.... A neddy already proven to have SUPERIOR form wouldnt be inserting BO without Trainer/Jockey thinking even more improvement is forthcoming.... It's PUNTING INTUITION 101 Kindergarten stuff... Keep sucking on the dummy but time to start toilet training 101 Anymore of your mental posts on blinkers, you'll be getting no response from me. You're an idiot. What ever you think is obvious, is highly unlikely. I certainly have zero evidence she runs any faster with blinkers than she did without. She didn't run any faster on a track rated a Good 3 at Hastings over 1200m her first start in blinkers than she did her previous start on a track rated a Dead 4 at Hastings also over 1200m. Your methods are simply to make crap up, and definitely kindergarten stuff. I agree. It's why you're a loser. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 She ran at least 0.35 secs FASTER than her previous Blinkerless head... ....You and your sister clueless curious haven't got the faintest idea about Compensatory Considerations when it comes to FORM ANALYSIS...so GIVE UP even trying.. "prove BO makes them go faster" is already transcribed on your combined love nest tombstone Crypts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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