Thomass Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 14 hours ago, Fred said: Fact -have a look at Toms Cox plate predictions and stop being a sook Thanks Fred, at least you can read! The rest of these nillers are real life Magoos! Who'd have thought normal form analysis could be so complicated and hard to understand for some? You know it, superior form beating inferior form then taking into account basics like 'Course specialists'! Its basic kindy stuff yet so unintelligible to some! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 15 hours ago, Fred said: Fact -have a look at Toms Cox plate predictions and stop being a sook Thomaas hasn't shown us how he used the "Blueprint" to arrive at his selections for the Cox Plate. As it was they weren't much different to what everyone else was selecting! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Thomass said: Who'd have thought normal form analysis could be so complicated and hard to understand for some? What does "blinkers first time", "3yr olds after Christmas", "maturing neddy's", "unlucky" have to do with analysing form? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Thomaas hasn't shown us how he used the "Blueprint" to arrive at his selections for the Cox Plate. As it was they weren't much different to what everyone else was selecting! I did! Open up your talangis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Just now, Thomass said: I did! Open up your talangis! Well post it again in a form of english that the rest of the world understands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What does "blinkers first time", "3yr olds after Christmas", "maturing neddy's", "unlucky" have to do with analysing form? Wtf?? Of course most are part of the mechanics! Unlucky depends on how unlucky... I could add up to .5 secs to a performance if blocked up the straight for example.... Most horses "mature" as they grow older...it's like most animals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thomass said: Unlucky depends on how unlucky This is getting tedious. So now you now have a subjective scale of a subjective factor that doesn't predict anything for the next race that that horse races in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: Most horses "mature" as they grow older...it's like most animals True although some humans don't particularly mentally. However once again it is a subjective factor that you can't use to predict the next performance. Do you also have a scale where the maturity factor increases to a point and then declines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: This is getting tedious. So now you now have a subjective scale of a subjective factor that doesn't predict anything for the next race that that horse races in! My niche is identifying KPI type races...I.e. Black type, Premier et el... ...where 'orses have been fine tuned to produce their very best.. ...anything after that involves analysis of performances back in Grade...and obviously this could include unsuitable tracks, unlucky runs et el... I simply love Spring/Autumn time when unsuitable tracks translates to increased VALUE on neddy's who have superior form on certain other rated tracks..including 'Track Specialists' ...believe it or not...some idiots can't quantify that...just like without cover or unlucky! Oops, I'm regurgitating! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 36 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: True although some humans don't particularly mentally. However once again it is a subjective factor that you can't use to predict the next performance. Do you also have a scale where the maturity factor increases to a point and then declines? Ive often said before wrt 'young legs less convictions' For example I'm always looking for improving maturing type horses from the bottom of the Handicap in Open class..once there I'll generally ignore rating them after one Open win...then take into account their position in the Handicap for perhaps one more go... ...good luck to the older Handicappers...but leave me out thanks... 3 yo Black Type Set Weights...I'm all over 1 win horses back in R 65 Grade MAAT form back to Maidens...outstanding form 'KPI type race' horses are always trying and good indicators of ability in future races.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: What does "blinkers first time", "3yr olds after Christmas", "maturing neddy's", "unlucky" have to do with analysing form? I think it's possible to use unlucky, but the others are flawed. And because he uses the others, I'd be100% confident, he can't use unlucky in a way that is useful. As I said, there is no chance he can contribute to a rational discussion on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Thomass said: I did! Open up your talangis! Well none of the 3 had blinkers on first time. (Only one had blinkers on and had them on for every career raceday start). None were down in grade. None were ridden by a claimer. None were on the quick backup. None of them were 3yos after Christmas. Other than that, they fit the blue print perfectly. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 3 hours ago, mardigras said: I think it's possible to use unlucky, but the others are flawed. And because he uses the others, I'd be100% confident, he can't use unlucky in a way that is useful. As I said, there is no chance he can contribute to a rational discussion on the topic. Hell eh lulah petula... You've finally drunk some cop the f on...your new bff Chef needs a dose too And you'll see it's very easy to do now you've opened your eyes Magoo... Now there's the wee matter of doing the opposite on an H11 Whanganui rails course... That hangs alongside wee Cee's Gallery of shame that "2 yos don't improve from their best performance" f me..l.how do you idiots come up with this stuff...it's got to be a wind up tell moi it's so?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 3 hours ago, mardigras said: Well none of the 3 had blinkers on first time. (Only one had blinkers on and had them on for every career raceday start). None were down in grade. None were ridden by a claimer. None were on the quick backup. None of them were 3yos after Christmas. Other than that, they fit the blue print perfectly. Well our 3 BEST neddys wear them and then LOIRE got them on at HB and improved out of sight... ...imagine if she didn't have them on Saturday...she would have ran over the fence ...and you blamed the Jock idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Thomass said: Well our 3 BEST neddys wear them and then LOIRE got them on at HB and improved out of sight... ...imagine if she didn't have them on Saturday...she would have ran over the fence ...and you blamed the Jock idiot I thought LOIRE improved according to you because of the "alleged treatment with Quinine inducing go fast hormones AFTER Atrial fibrillation." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Thomass said: Well our 3 BEST neddys wear them and then LOIRE got them on at HB and improved out of sight... ...imagine if she didn't have them on Saturday...she would have ran over the fence ...and you blamed the Jock idiot Do they? I thought you listed Te Akau Shark. No blinkers on him in Oz. Those eyes of yours still having trouble. Geez you're comically stupid. If Loire didn't wear blinkers, she'd have won by lengths. She would have run straight in my view and probably faster. And still, none of the blueprint was evident in the Cox Plate selections - even though you tried to claim they were all based on it. Fraud. Edited November 19, 2019 by mardigras 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, Thomass said: ..imagine if she didn't have them on Saturday...she would have ran over the fence ...and you blamed the Jock Yep, the jock would be at fault. Blame would be spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 39 minutes ago, Thomass said: Hell eh lulah petula... You've finally drunk some cop the f on...your new bff Chef needs a dose too And you'll see it's very easy to do now you've opened your eyes Magoo... Now there's the wee matter of doing the opposite on an H11 Whanganui rails course... That hangs alongside wee Cee's Gallery of shame that "2 yos don't improve from their best performance" f me..l.how do you idiots come up with this stuff...it's got to be a wind up tell moi it's so?? I have no idea what you're on about. I've never said you can't use wide or unlucky. I've said I don't because I don't believe they can be used in any useful way. Of course I'd also agree with doing the opposite to what the majority of punters do on a H11 at any track. Same for every event I bet on. That's where I will likely find the greatest edge. Works well. My eyes are open. You haven't demonstrated how anyone can use wide or unlucky in any useful way. And you can't demonstrate how the blue print can be used in any useful way since it's flawed. It is you that isn't copping on, after so many years, you're still clueless on why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 18 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I thought LOIRE improved according to you because of the "alleged treatment with Quinine inducing go fast hormones AFTER Atrial fibrillation." I said it's a long range shot... BANG though... You're the LAST poster who should be commenting on Blinkers..you wanted all of our best NAKED didn't you?? Why don't you and bff grasi contact The Shark, Melody Belle, Catalyst and Loire's Trainers and tell them about your ideas on horsemanship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Just give us the blueprint theory that you said formed the basis for your Cox Plate selections. C'mon now, what's taking so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Still waiting. Must be one hell of a story, we're gonna get - Mr Fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Case closed. Don't bother responding Mr Fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 lol!!! it would be nice to see this thread edited, for the helpful stuff! re having a better chance at winning at the track! ? otherwise.. do i hear the chant of GROUNDHOG DAY! ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Exactly Fish.... Gras was born in a maze Methinks...and he still hasn't got out! In reality he's totes jealous that my Blue Print...aka as tipping winner after winner..at Value... Has tipped 2 Trifectas, a Quinella and a Winner...in the last 4 races I've spoken about...a TIPPING MASTERCLASS no less 9 selections...ALL coming in! Its about taking the bleedin' obvious...in short SUPERIOR FORM IN SUPERIOR Class races...back to inferior...mid weak type races... He calls it 'population' based analysis when in fact it takes into account the fact as a neddy proceeds through each level...times decrease Who knew that the HK based rating system we have here...produces improving times as the Grades or Benchmarks become stronger? He says he does 'fastest' times win...but then leaves out 'compensatory' considerations for time lost when 'unlucky' or 'without cover'... So a 3 time unlucky horse racing in superior class on unsuitable tracks is IGNORED... Fortunately in my BLUE PRINT it's not! Thats the nitty gritty...he's Blind as a Bat to CC's...a cartoon like Magoo prodigy... I wear Google like glasses with super hero X Ray vision... A very accurate analogy of the situation imho.. Btw...when I posted the 200 turned into 10k on a lazy Friday...he poo pooed moi taking some PLACE bets as part of some MULTIS! Who knew a $2 place bet in a multi...DOUBLES a return? Now he admits to place betting! Thats called HYPOCRITICAL isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 On 20/11/2019 at 10:05 AM, Thomass said: I said it's a long range shot... Like the entire BP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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