All The Aces Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Had a look at this race this morning. What a farcical decision that was. The second horse across the line Bordeaux Le Rouge would never have beaten Taroni in a month of Sundays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 It was a bittersweet race for me! f#*$#*$*ing tab site lagged when I was attempting to put a win bet on the T horse! Watched the race!!! 'spat the dummy out!' oh! change of result! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzenza365 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Farcical decision would have to be an under statement,just highlights how bad NZ Racing has become,simply embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 15 hours ago, muzenza365 said: Farcical decision would have to be an under statement,just highlights how bad NZ Racing has become,simply embarrassing. Let's deal in FACTS as they relate to the ACTUAL rule shall we? The key here, as in any reference point when dealing with interference, is to observe the horse's SHADOWS.... Clearly the interfered with horse has made ground through the last 150/200...@ a length to the head margin at the finish... The POINT you screamers are missing... ..that it has absolutely nothing to do with the winner running sideways and THAT horse losing ground or momentum as a result... ...the inquiry is focused ENTIRELY on the chances of the interfered horse.. and THAT horse losing the chance to maintain it's unimpeded line... The Feds simply do not look at a race and ask themselves "if they both run straight, who wins" Clearly then...they got this RIGHT.... And Of course you know already...contact does NOT need to be made... So not only was there outward movement taking the runner up off their rightful line...but the severe contact 20M out.... Would have won by a head imo....and no one needs to be humble coming to that conclusion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 15 hours ago, muzenza365 said: Farcical decision would have to be an under statement,just highlights how bad NZ Racing has become,simply embarrassing. Btw...STOP being a screaming SHREW..ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 Have to disagree with you on this one Thomas. Collett never stopped riding her horse at all. Meanwhile DJ couldn't ride her mount out. Forget chasing shadows, have a look at the horses themselves. There was no way the filly was going to let him get past. They could have gone another 100m and she would still have beaten him. Very poor decision I feel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 No prob Brother...even Brothers get it wrong at times...just don't make a habit of it...ok? Just look at the noses then..if you don't like hiding the shadows...oh and Da Report... Again...it's NOTHING to do with the runner up...that the winner has done everything wrong... Its made up the length behind...going to run past the drunken sailor....then is stopped in its tracks... Readnweep brother...almost verbatim to what evidence I gave this morning....BEFORE the report came out... The Committee carefully considered all of the submissions and reviewed the video footage. It was clear that TARONI raced greenly in the final straight and in particular was wayward inside the final 100 metres. We established that at the 100 metre mark TARONI was 1 length in advance of BORDEAUX LE ROUGE. Shortly after that point TARONI had her ears pricked, head turned to the side and commenced to shift outwards when BORDEAUX LE ROUGE was racing on its outside. The head on footage showed that each time BORDEAUX LE ROUGE tried to challenge TARONI that runner continued to shift outwards. At no stage was TARONI at least its own length and one other clear length in front of BORDEAUX LE ROUGE when it continued to shift outwards. This is a clear breach of the interference Rule. Mr Noble was of the opinion that the contact between TARONI and BORDEAUX LE ROUGE occurred right on the finish line. Whereas we found that TARONI made firm contact with BORDEAUX LE ROUGE near the 30 metres. In our assessment as to whether BORDEAUX LE ROUGE would have beaten TARONI, but for the interference, we observed that a direct result of the contact near the 30 metres was that BORDEAUX LE ROUGE was forced wider on the track, off its running line which impacted its momentum. We estimated that TARONI shifted out at least 5 horse widths inside the final 100 metres. As a consequence BORDEAUX LE ROUGE was denied an unimpeded run to the finish line. This made it more difficult for BORDEAUX LE ROUGE to get balanced up and past TARONI. In our opinion the totality of TARONI’s wayward racing manners inside the final 100 metres cost BORDEAUX LE ROUGE more than the head margin between the 2 horses at the finish. It was evident that BORDEAUX LE ROUGE reduced the margin from 1 length at the 100 metres to a head at the finish despite suffering interference from TARONI. In conclusion having considered the degree of interference, the manner in which both horses finished the race off and in particular the head margin at the finish the Committee was of the opinion that BORDEAUX LE ROUGE would have finished ahead of TARONI had such interference not occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 It only got to within a head because DJ stopped riding Taroni . He was on the outside of her at the top of the straight and couldn't get past all the way down the straight and was never going to. It is apparent from discussions (and posts) that very few people have agreed with the decision and of course the statement above is always going to be written in support of their decision. We will have to disagree on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 2 hours ago, All The Aces said: It only got to within a head because DJ stopped riding Taroni . He was on the outside of her at the top of the straight and couldn't get past all the way down the straight and was never going to. It is apparent from discussions (and posts) that very few people have agreed with the decision and of course the statement above is always going to be written in support of their decision. We will have to disagree on this one. No probs at all...at least it shows were not the same person! The thing is....it's got nothing to do with DJ stopping riding.....it's the runner ups perogative to run without interference... ...and if the other horse is running around losing ground the rules state that's to be ignored... One length behind at the 100M...head at the finish...after being taken off course and badly for 30M...I said 20M...got that wrong! If DJ keeps going it ends up in the stand... ..but the Te AKAU horse stopped it going any further...and distinguished its chances and rightful straight line it was running... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 No consistency in applying the 'rules'. ' Sakhee's Soldier has rounded off a spectacular Auckland Cup carnival for trainers Murray Baker and Andrew Forsman by winning the New Zealand Stakes. The much-improved four-year-old beat hot favourite Rising Romance by a nose, and then held onto it after a protest by Rising Romance's connections. Jockey Opie Bosson said Sakhee's Soldier pushed Rising Romance three or four horse lengths wide near the home turn, which given the nose margin was enough to cost his horse the race. But the stewards ruled that the interference was minimal and that Rising Romance had her chance to get past the winner in the final 350m but wasn't able to. Read more at http://www.bloodstock.com.au/news/story.php?id=11188#XRYZR8fydBbdX4PD.99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 1/12/2019 at 5:15 PM, muzenza365 said: Farcical decision would have to be an under statement,just highlights how bad NZ Racing has become,simply embarrassing. So you've gone very silent on this kenny.. Have you looked at the FACTS and decided it's not worth losing your hair over it Let alone your licence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I only saw the head-on on a small tv screen on-course- and only once - and commented to my companions that the placings would be reversed. The leader took the other horse's line at a crucial stage and was tiring quickly. correct decision imo, though I feel for the Lindsays who have had too much dreadful luck this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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