Thomass Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 So it's an hilarious headline....but not so funny for Punters ffs The 3rd time in 3 months a Jock weighs in LIGHT and Punters have to needlessly suffer a Huge loss... Punters Beaten up before she'd even legged on let alone left the birdcage or left the stalls! No chance right after Sammy took a 0.6kg relief stop...who the f knew it weighed that much? Im about to take one now to see how much effect the Vindaloo I had for lunch precipitates such a dumping...hold da phone No wonder Gen x...z....y....have buggered off to Sports betting...a Rugby player taking a dump is notifiable...and not penalised...just get on Seriously though...it's about time Racing's antiquated Rules took these situations into account... Sammy admitted to a 4 Hour drive with no pit stops...rushed to the weighin scales..then rushed to get rid of the morning porridge after weighing out...and not weighing in again...out Its dizzying stuff and Punters are reeling 3 months in a row... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 A very severe penalty which shows a lack of understanding by the stipes. There is plenty of wrongdoing going on that seems to get ignored. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, Fred said: A very severe penalty which shows a lack of understanding by the stipes. There is plenty of wrongdoing going on that seems to get ignored. what was the penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 15 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: what was the penalty? The owners lost the stake money and punters, their money. ? Oh...and Sam Collett got 5 days suspension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, All The Aces said: The owners lost the stake money and punters, their money. ? Oh...and Sam Collett got 5 days suspension. 5 days ..that includes 3 days for saying her horse couldn't have won the other week and the JCA/stipes were ...wrong!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kihikihi Kid Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Should be declared a late scr because punters were NEVER EVER going to get their money back , win lose or draw. Rule has to be changed pronto, it's embarrassingly BAD , a blatant rip off. How long did it take to change the dead heat for 3rd rule, can you young ones believe that the winner and runner up had deductions taken off their place dividend. Really , a true story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bid Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 13 hours ago, Kihikihi Kid said: Should be declared a late scr because punters were NEVER EVER going to get their money back , win lose or draw. Rule has to be changed pronto, it's embarrassingly BAD , a blatant rip off. How long did it take to change the dead heat for 3rd rule, can you young ones believe that the winner and runner up had deductions taken off their place dividend. Really , a true story Problem you could run into if it is declared a late scratching if someone has had a decent punt and done a dodgy deal with the rider to throw some lead out if the horse gets beaten so they get refunded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I don't think it should be a late scratching. Scratching a runner affects the dividends of the other runners even when the situation doesn't affect the outcome of their bet. There's a process. Follow it and all will be OK. She didn't, tough. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Why would it be a late scratching? Doesn't make sense to me. That's not how the rules work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, curious said: Why would it be a late scratching? Doesn't make sense to me. That's not how the rules work. Any scratching after 7.30am morning of race is deemed a late scratching is it not?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 19/12/2019 at 7:29 PM, Fred said: A very severe penalty which shows a lack of understanding by the stipes. There is plenty of wrongdoing going on that seems to get ignored. Nayyyy Freddie....should have got at least a month... ...added on for failing to recognise who pays her bills.... THE PUNTER "I feel really sorry for the connections of the horse at Ruakaka as he was disquali ed and they lost their prize- money because of my mistake, so hopefully I will be able to make that up to them one day,” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 22/12/2019 at 12:37 PM, mardigras said: I don't think it should be a late scratching. Scratching a runner affects the dividends of the other runners even when the situation doesn't affect the outcome of their bet. There's a process. Follow it and all will be OK. She didn't, tough. You don't think...period Theres no difference to a barrier attendant holding on too long and being a late scratching...which happens more often than a weigh in... As for process...she followed it.... IF there was a rule to re-weigh after toileting....she would have...but there isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 19 hours ago, curious said: Why would it be a late scratching? Doesn't make sense to me. That's not how the rules work. Would an early one suit? If only she'd ordered the Vindaloo at Wellsford....not Waihi...she'd have had an emergency defecation situation earlier.... ...does that make sense? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oR9XbucqHwo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Thomass said: Nayyyy Freddie....should have got at least a month... ...added on for failing to recognise who pays her bills.... THE PUNTER Those days off will probably cost her $5-7000 in lost earnings. Far better for her to have been ordered to pay a fine to the connections and be allowed to go on riding. The aggrieved punters would be happy to have one of the very best riders in the country riding at Ellerslie and she adds glamour as well. As it is she will be home worrying about the mortgage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Thomass said: You don't think...period I think - that you are stupid. I think most would agree. 3 hours ago, Thomass said: Theres no difference to a barrier attendant holding on too long and being a late scratching...which happens more often than a weigh in... As for process...she followed it.... IF there was a rule to re-weigh after toileting....she would have...but there isn't There is a difference. One relates to a barrier attendant denying a fair start. The other relates to a horse carrying less weight than permitted under the race conditions. Quite different. In one case, the horse didn't get to race on its merits in relation to the other starters in the race, in the other case it did. And then if carrying too light a weight - they are found to have broken the rules. She didn't follow the process. The process is to weigh out with the weight you are going to weigh in with - with an accepted tolerance. The process doesn't have to be governed by the rules. The rules are what make the process. This isn't some written rule/process. This is common sense that you follow such a process. She clearly didn't follow that process since she did something to affect her weight. And in failing to understand the need to follow such a process, she ultimately broke the rules. Bad luck for her and the connections and the punters associated with that horse. Not bad luck to the people that had nothing to do with that horse and didn't back that horse. They shouldn't be affected by her lack of understanding the process. And to make matters worse, as mentioned earlier, the integrity of the outcomes would be subject to unscrupulous behaviour. Any rider running 2nd/3rd/4th in 3 and 4 horse fields could easily weigh in light. The winner would return a refund to the winning punters (by virtue of the new dividend after all the other runners are late scratched), and the late scratching punters, would get refunds as well. Punters are going to love that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 22/12/2019 at 7:34 PM, aquaman said: Any scratching after 7.30am morning of race is deemed a late scratching is it not?. Don't be dumb. The horse was not scratched. It ran and was disqualified for not carrying the required weight. Never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) She could have had a couple of sandwiches. Just saying. Edited December 23, 2019 by Freda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Freda said: She could have had a couple of sandwiches. Just saying. Some people would rather a late scratching than expecting a little bit of common sense from someone who knows the requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 15 hours ago, mardigras said: I think - that you are stupid. I think most would agree. There is a difference. One relates to a barrier attendant denying a fair start. The other relates to a horse carrying less weight than permitted under the race conditions. Quite different. In one case, the horse didn't get to race on its merits in relation to the other starters in the race, in the other case it did. And then if carrying too light a weight - they are found to have broken the rules. She didn't follow the process. The process is to weigh out with the weight you are going to weigh in with - with an accepted tolerance. The process doesn't have to be governed by the rules. The rules are what make the process. This isn't some written rule/process. This is common sense that you follow such a process. She clearly didn't follow that process since she did something to affect her weight. And in failing to understand the need to follow such a process, she ultimately broke the rules. Bad luck for her and the connections and the punters associated with that horse. Not bad luck to the people that had nothing to do with that horse and didn't back that horse. They shouldn't be affected by her lack of understanding the process. And to make matters worse, as mentioned earlier, the integrity of the outcomes would be subject to unscrupulous behaviour. Any rider running 2nd/3rd/4th in 3 and 4 horse fields could easily weigh in light. The winner would return a refund to the winning punters (by virtue of the new dividend after all the other runners are late scratched), and the late scratching punters, would get refunds as well. Punters are going to love that. Why on earth do you feel the need to write a f in novel every time you post? Theres also a rule that forbids touching anyone post race.... ...very simple to put cameras up in the JOCKEY Bogs...and hit the alarm as soon as a deposit is made...Stipes going over camera footage to investigate and weigh the deposit... ...or far easier to make a rule like touching...drumming it into them at App school...It then becomes a habit.... BTW Stipes Murrihy and Bailey were deadset agreeing with these refunds to Punters...of course they'd realise each case would be dealt with on each scenario... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Thomass said: Why on earth do you feel the need to write a f in novel every time you post? Theres also a rule that forbids touching anyone post race.... ...very simple to put cameras up in the JOCKEY Bogs...and hit the alarm as soon as a deposit is made...Stipes going over camera footage to investigate and weigh the deposit... ...or far easier to make a rule like touching...drumming it into them at App school...It then becomes a habit.... BTW Stipes Murrihy and Bailey were deadset agreeing with these refunds to Punters...of course they'd realise each case would be dealt with on each scenario... The rules are simple. Jockeys know what they are. No need for more rules. Just more cost for the industry. And such a rule would reduce integrity. Seems you don't care about that after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 13 hours ago, Freda said: She could have had a couple of sandwiches. Just saying. Geez you make big sandwiches Freda. She'd have had to eat a pound and a half of butter to make up 600gms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Thomass said: Why on earth do you feel the need to write a f in novel every time you post? No different to your diatribes - difference is Mardi's posts can be understood! 10 minutes ago, mardigras said: BTW Stipes Murrihy and Bailey were deadset agreeing with these refunds to Punters...of course they'd realise each case would be dealt with on each scenario... You quoting the "brains trust" now Thomaas? She didn't comply with the rules and had ample opportunity before the race to address the issue. It is surprising how many people don't know how much liquid weighs. A litre of water equals one kilogram. To suggest that this situation should be a scratching is ludicrous. Are you suggesting every disqualification should be a late scratching? E.g. a horse put out because it interferes with another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 You're you're as stupid as he is... She can't have been begging to go either....she had the time to gather all of her gear...go to the scales and WEIGH OUT... ...then take a dump/ wee wee As soon as she takes the dump....PUNTERS were screwed Nothing else comes even close to being PUNTERS getting SCREWED in the process of ANYTHING Stipes Murrihy and Bailey knew there had to be a rule change to allow punters refunds to SAVE THE INDUSTRY from further embarrassing Jockey cock ups... ...but the Industry doesn't give a toss and shuffled it further under the carpet... Just like NZTR does beautifully... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Bad luck punters. Whichever way, punters get screwed. Some get screwed from a late scratching, some get screwed if it isn't a late scratching. Best to not affect the punters that had nothing to do with the horse that raced outside the rules. The jockey should learn from their errors. That's why it should be a massive penalty. Make sure all know the significance of trying it on and going a bit too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share Posted December 27, 2019 Other UNSELFISH Punters would willingly accept a deduction when their fellow Punters have been fleeced ...BEFORE a Jock even hops aboard... Ignorant selfish 'punters' such as you don't give a shit....we already know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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