Chief Stipe Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Mer De Glace and Damian Lane win the 2019 Caulfield Cup. Photo: Racenet. MELBOURNE CUP Shock news: Japan bars betting on Melbourne and Caulfield Cups Article Author Ben Dorries 10:41AM30 January 2020 1 Comments Japanese horses enjoyed a freakishly successful Melbourne spring carnival last year but Japan has now sensationally barred the Melbourne Cup and Caulfield Cup from being eligible from betting on in their home country. The shock move has been described as “disappointing” by Melbourne Racing Club executive racing manager Jake Norton who expects MRC revenue from international media rights to be slashed by about five percent as a result. But perhaps more of a concern could be the negative public impact and perception that Japanese punters not being able to bet on the Melbourne Cup and the Caulfield Cup in their home country could generate. “There is certainly a pure racing impact because we love to see international participation in our top flight races ... this decision I guess demonstrates their position (about the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups) on an international stage,” Norton told Racenet. “It’s disappointing given we have got a reigning Japanese winner of the Caulfield Cup (Mer De Glace) and two of the last six winners are from Japan. “Just on that score it’s disappointing because we thought the Caulfield Cup was growing in renown in Japan. “In pure commercial terms it’s not am immaterial amount of money but it would be a fraction in terms of our international media rights as a whole. “The (media rights) payment is based on what is turned over in that jurisdiction.” Racing Victoria confirmed the news when contacted by Racenet but indicated it was a matter for the race clubs to comment further on, given it was the clubs that received the direct financial benefit from the Japanese. RV pointed out the Cox Plate, which was last year won by Japanese superstar Lys Gracieux, remained on the list known as the simulcast list which meant it was still eligible for betting on in Japan as long as a runner from Japan participates. The Group I pair of the Doncaster Mile and the George Ryder Stakes in NSW are also on the list of races that the Japanese Department of Agriculture and Fisheries (which oversees racing in Japan) has now deleted from being eligible from betting on in Japan. It is a body blow to Australian racing as a whole, but particularly the Melbourne spring carnival with the strong Japanese presence in recent years. And in 2006 there was a Japanese quinella in the Melbourne Cup when Delta Blues and Pop Rock finished first and second. As recently as December, there were even stronger ties thought to be forged between Australian and Japanese racing jurisdictions when Damian Lane rode the race of his life to win The Arima Kinen at Nakayama on Cox Plate winner Lys Gracieux. But the news that Japan was withdrawing its permission to bet on the big spring Cups in Victoria came out of the blue. However Norton doesn’t expect it to impact on the relationship with Japanese officials or Japanese horses coming to Australia for major races. “Our preference would be for what has happened not to be the case but we have a strong relationship with the JRA and we expect that to continue and we will still try to recruit horses from Japan for our carnival,” he said. Victoria Racing Club racing manager Leigh Jordon said the news would not impact on Japanese horses coming to Australia for the spring or relationships with Japanese trainers, officials or owners. Jordon indicated he believed Japanese had withdrawn from betting on the Cups due to the fact they are Handicaps. “These races can still be shown on television in Japan and we understand the (betting) situation will be reviewed after three years,” Jordon said. “It certainly won’t impact on Japanese horses coming to race here.” Although the Melbourne and Caulfield Cups are now not on the list for betting in Japan, the Japanese Department of Agriculture and Fisheries can add races to the list at any point and they have done it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mer De Glace and Damian Lane win the 2019 Caulfield Cup. Photo: Racenet. MELBOURNE CUP Shock news: Japan bars betting on Melbourne and Caulfield Cups Article Author Ben Dorries 10:41AM30 January 2020 1 Comments Japanese horses enjoyed a freakishly successful Melbourne spring carnival last year but Japan has now sensationally barred the Melbourne Cup and Caulfield Cup from being eligible from betting on in their home country. The shock move has been described as “disappointing” by Melbourne Racing Club executive racing manager Jake Norton who expects MRC revenue from international media rights to be slashed by about five percent as a result. But perhaps more of a concern could be the negative public impact and perception that Japanese punters not being able to bet on the Melbourne Cup and the Caulfield Cup in their home country could generate. “There is certainly a pure racing impact because we love to see international participation in our top flight races ... this decision I guess demonstrates their position (about the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups) on an international stage,” Norton told Racenet. “It’s disappointing given we have got a reigning Japanese winner of the Caulfield Cup (Mer De Glace) and two of the last six winners are from Japan. “Just on that score it’s disappointing because we thought the Caulfield Cup was growing in renown in Japan. “In pure commercial terms it’s not am immaterial amount of money but it would be a fraction in terms of our international media rights as a whole. “The (media rights) payment is based on what is turned over in that jurisdiction.” Racing Victoria confirmed the news when contacted by Racenet but indicated it was a matter for the race clubs to comment further on, given it was the clubs that received the direct financial benefit from the Japanese. RV pointed out the Cox Plate, which was last year won by Japanese superstar Lys Gracieux, remained on the list known as the simulcast list which meant it was still eligible for betting on in Japan as long as a runner from Japan participates. The Group I pair of the Doncaster Mile and the George Ryder Stakes in NSW are also on the list of races that the Japanese Department of Agriculture and Fisheries (which oversees racing in Japan) has now deleted from being eligible from betting on in Japan. It is a body blow to Australian racing as a whole, but particularly the Melbourne spring carnival with the strong Japanese presence in recent years. And in 2006 there was a Japanese quinella in the Melbourne Cup when Delta Blues and Pop Rock finished first and second. As recently as December, there were even stronger ties thought to be forged between Australian and Japanese racing jurisdictions when Damian Lane rode the race of his life to win The Arima Kinen at Nakayama on Cox Plate winner Lys Gracieux. But the news that Japan was withdrawing its permission to bet on the big spring Cups in Victoria came out of the blue. However Norton doesn’t expect it to impact on the relationship with Japanese officials or Japanese horses coming to Australia for major races. “Our preference would be for what has happened not to be the case but we have a strong relationship with the JRA and we expect that to continue and we will still try to recruit horses from Japan for our carnival,” he said. Victoria Racing Club racing manager Leigh Jordon said the news would not impact on Japanese horses coming to Australia for the spring or relationships with Japanese trainers, officials or owners. Jordon indicated he believed Japanese had withdrawn from betting on the Cups due to the fact they are Handicaps. “These races can still be shown on television in Japan and we understand the (betting) situation will be reviewed after three years,” Jordon said. “It certainly won’t impact on Japanese horses coming to race here.” Although the Melbourne and Caulfield Cups are now not on the list for betting in Japan, the Japanese Department of Agriculture and Fisheries can add races to the list at any point and they have done it before.
Chief Stipe Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Tui Ad: Racefields Legislation will increase revenue by $17m a year! Yeah Right! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Bro Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) " The shock move has been described as “disappointing” by Melbourne Racing Club executive racing manager Jake Norton who expects MRC revenue from international media rights to be slashed by about five percent as a result." In NZ revenue from international media rights is seen as rightfully either the property of the TAB or the Code i.e. not a racing club such as the MRC. Australians need to come to New Zealand to learn how to run racing. Then their clubs won't have these problems. Edited January 30, 2020 by Delta Bro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, Delta Bro said: " The shock move has been described as “disappointing” by Melbourne Racing Club executive racing manager Jake Norton who expects MRC revenue from international media rights to be slashed by about five percent as a result." In NZ revenue from international media rights is seen as rightfully either the property of the TAB or the Code i.e. not a racing club such as the MRC. Australians need to come to New Zealand to learn how to run racing. Then their clubs won't have these problems. Well you haven't been following the NZTR argument very closely. The Question is - who owns the IP or information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Can someone explain to me what the reason would be? Knowing the efficiency with which the Japanese organise just about everything, I'm sure there is a good one....but I can't think of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Freda said: Can someone explain to me what the reason would be? Knowing the efficiency with which the Japanese organise just about everything, I'm sure there is a good one....but I can't think of it. Profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 42 minutes ago, Freda said: Can someone explain to me what the reason would be? They look after their own backyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Which, if I put the brain in gear and think about it, that's kinda what Mardi has been saying about our situation in reverse.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Bro Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Well you haven't been following the NZTR argument very closely. The Question is - who owns the IP or information? In 2009, New Zealand stopped paying Australian Tote Commission to the Clubs whose races generated that income. The current Funding Policy does not pay income received from IP, information, International Media Rights etc, to the Clubs who generated that income. Obviously Australia still does e.g. International Media Rights revenue for the Melbourne Cup finds its way to the Melbourne Racing Club. Our enlightened system is based on, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 13 hours ago, Delta Bro said: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Origin of the phrase[edit] The complete paragraph containing Marx's statement of the creed in the Critique of the Gotha Program is as follows: In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 So Ellerslie, Trentham, Riccarton, Te Rapa are the neediest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So Ellerslie, Trentham, Riccarton, Te Rapa are the neediest? Oh, absolutely..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Highest prizemoney for maidens, $10k group 1s ☺️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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