Chief Stipe Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, mardigras said: The idea behind racing a horse in 1400 - 1600m races for the purposes of getting it fit, is a shocker. They've been doing it for years. Has got more prevalent as the volume of trials and jumpouts has reduced. I've always wondered what it does to a horse's confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 3 hours ago, mardigras said: All I've been doing is stating facts and asking questions. Questions, you haven't seemed to want to answer. And your original post wasn't only about the timeframe, it was about only having one jumpout, as if that was the reason there would be zero horses ready. Why do these horses need races or jumpouts. Why not just train them to be race ready without jumpouts or races? If you can't get yours ready in time, wait until they are ready. Can't you read? I'm still waiting on your 8 week training plan, I don't mind if you message me it I promise I won't pass the secret training regime on to anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 3 hours ago, curious said: It was one of the slowest Arc's in history though maybe not quite a Heavy 93. Was he also a first starter going into an Arc who had a couple of gallops in company , racing amongst 10-20 horses? Or was he on Mardigras 8 week training regime? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 3 hours ago, curious said: He actually beat a nice horse in the Arc the year before called Balmerino which from memory had won his previous start fresh up for John Dunlop in the Valdoe Stakes at Goodwood over 2000m. Had he only been on Mardigras 7 week training regime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Huey said: Can't you read? I'm still waiting on your 8 week training plan, I don't mind if you message me it I promise I won't pass the secret training regime on to anyone else. Poor Huey. Can't answer simple questions, get's all defensive. I'm not a trainer, why would I come up with any training plan. Confused? You certainly seem so. I've not stated anything other than facts, and asked questions. None of those facts require me to be a trainer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: They've been doing it for years. Has got more prevalent as the volume of trials and jumpouts has reduced. I've always wondered what it does to a horse's confidence. As far as I recall there never used to be official jumpouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: They've been doing it for years. Has got more prevalent as the volume of trials and jumpouts has reduced. I've always wondered what it does to a horse's confidence. It certainly doesn't do anything for integrity. Having races used for the purposes of getting a horse fit - against the rules in certain jurisdictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Huey said: Was he also a first starter going into an Arc who had a couple of gallops in company , racing amongst 10-20 horses? Or was he on Mardigras 8 week training regime? No. As I told you he was backing up from winning the 2000m Prix du Prince D'Orange fresh up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, curious said: As far as I recall there never used to be official jumpouts. What about the Levin jumpouts? Good enough to obtain a barrier certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What about the Levin jumpouts? Good enough to obtain a barrier certificate. What is a barrier certificate? Does that get you in the pub at level 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 58 minutes ago, mardigras said: And I'm still waiting to hear how long it would be expected to take to get a fat horse from the paddock to a 2000m+ race. If the way things are done here mean it takes so long to get a horse to the races (in a suitable race), why not change the way things are done? Don't send it for a spell, keep it in light work etc etc. The idea behind racing a horse in 1400 - 1600m races for the purposes of getting it fit, is a shocker. Not if you are getting it ready for a punt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Not if you are getting it ready for a punt. Not surprised to see your vested interests come to the fore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, mardigras said: Not surprised to see your vested interests come to the fore. Well it's definitely not for yours Kimmy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Well it's definitely not for yours Kimmy. I don't have any - since as you stated, I am not in the habit of betting on NZ racing. The lack of integrity is a major reason why (and many others I know). At least you're happy with the lack of funding because people aren't interested in betting here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, mardigras said: I don't have any - since as you stated, I am not in the habit of betting on NZ racing. The lack of integrity is a major reason why (and many others I know). At least you're happy with the lack of funding because people aren't interested in betting here. And I suppose that you also believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy that setting a horse for a punt doesn't happen anywhere else. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 38 minutes ago, mardigras said: Not surprised to see your vested interests come to the fore. Which explains why Pike is looking at moving to OZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 40 minutes ago, All The Aces said: And I suppose that you also believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy that setting a horse for a punt doesn't happen anywhere else. ? I'm not sure what that has to do with using a race as a training ground. Which is the integrity issue I am talking about. I don't see any issue with a horse being set up for a punt so long as a) they don't use the race for the purposes of training a horse and b) the horse runs on its merits. Certainly can't see any lack of integrity in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 hours ago, mardigras said: Poor Huey. Can't answer simple questions, get's all defensive. I'm not a trainer, why would I come up with any training plan. Confused? You certainly seem so. I've not stated anything other than facts, and asked questions. None of those facts require me to be a trainer. You haven't stated any facts, because you can't because you don't know what your talking about. Private message me the 8 week training plan, I need a good laugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: What about the Levin jumpouts? Good enough to obtain a barrier certificate. Yep I realise that, but Mardigras can get you a Barrier Cert and your first starter ready for 2000m+ with his 8 week training regime, if he lets me share the secrets of it I'll post some online as an exclusive for BOAY posters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Huey said: You haven't stated any facts, because you can't because you don't know what your talking about. Private message me the 8 week training plan, I need a good laugh! Stop being a twit. Show me where my statements are not either facts or questions. And tell everyone how long it takes to get a fat horse to a 2000m+ race in a ready condition. Since I've been asking, I don't know the answer - and you're too scared to tell us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 hours ago, curious said: No. As I told you he was backing up from winning the 2000m Prix du Prince D'Orange fresh up. 4 minutes ago, mardigras said: I'm not sure what that has to do with using a race as a training ground. Which is the integrity issue I am talking about. I don't see any issue with a horse being set up for a punt so long as a) they don't use the race for the purposes of training a horse and b) the horse runs on its merits. Certainly can't see any lack of integrity in that. Now youre talking about keeping it in light work, haha you really do talk utter garbage. So your 8 week plan consists of keeping the horse in light work as well? So the horse is in work longer than 8 weeks? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Huey said: Yep I realise that, but Mardigras can get you a Barrier Cert and your first starter ready for 2000m+ with his 8 week training regime, if he lets me share the secrets of it I'll post some online as an exclusive for BOAY posters. You've lost the plot. Keep on going though, since I'm not a trainer and have never once claimed that I could get a horse to the races in 8 weeks for a 2000m+ race. Try talking a step back and a sane person would realise I've never said otherwise. I hope you don't have any clients on here that know you. You're making yourself look stupid. Edited May 4, 2020 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Noodlum said: I'd say Huey was an old school NZ trainer. Where the horse gets maybe two 4 month preps a year and the rest of the time is left in a paddock. Then they use shorter races they are not competitive in to get their horses fit enough to compete at the distance the horse is suited to. For example - first race is over 1200m, then 1400m, then 1600m. I'm not sure how the Japanese train their horses but I know the Brits never put their horses in a paddock for a rest. They are in work the entire time even if it is just walking a couple of miles each day. Then no trouble in starting out over the horses competitive distance first up. The horses here get fat and unfit eating grass and bin fed then take at least 6 weeks of slow tedious (for the horse) work to get fit enough to gallop again! Maybe so but I don't know any trainers that get their horses ready for a 2000m+ race in 8 weeks. do you? Mardigras can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Huey said: Maybe so but I don't know any trainers that get their horses ready for a 2000m+ race in 8 weeks. do you? Mardigras can. I've never said that. And you tried to suggest I can't read. Put my post up where I claim I can do that. need a good laugh. You'll be backtracking faster than ATA did. Edited May 4, 2020 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 6 hours ago, mardigras said: I'm still not understanding you. Why can't a horse race in NZ with 8 weeks prep time, first up over 2000m+. A simple answer would be good. A horse can be ready in 8 weeks time fresh up over 2000m. Ask Freda if she prepares hers like that? None of this light work garbage youre trying to use to squirm your way out .8 weeks from the paddock to the races thats what youre saying and claiming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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