Brodie Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 3 hours ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: What a halfwit you are. Are you saying Purdon and is not a proper craftsman? Thanks that is the best laugh I shall get today. Have you been smoking the same stuff that the two Aussie All Star employees that featured in the news early this week? Purdon is a top square gaiter trainer. Have you forgotten about a horse called Icandoosit? He was one of the best trotters in the past decade or two. Where on earth does Flagship say that Purdon is not a proper craftsman?????? Purdon tends to train mainly pacers but he does train a few trotters now that go good. Previously trainers who tended to specialise trainers had more of a show winning races with trotters, but now with AllStars buying up the best young trotters they are doomed as well, I say doomed!!!! Great to see the AllStars win 5 of the first 7 Races at the Jewels, it is great that they collect the biggest percentage of the stake money, it will make all the other owners want to retain their horses for next year rather than selling overseas for a good price won’t it? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 3 hours ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: What a halfwit you are. Are you saying Purdon and is not a proper craftsman? Thanks that is the best laugh I shall get today. Have you been smoking the same stuff that the two Aussie All Star employees that featured in the news early this week? Purdon is a top square gaiter trainer. Have you forgotten about a horse called Icandoosit? He was one of the best trotters in the past decade or two. I will suggest OLDWHITEMAN is an old 'friend' from the other site. Best to ignore. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: I will suggest OLDWHITEMAN is an old 'friend' from the other site. Best to ignore. happy do you think mite be farty too much?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Personal attack to start and then all out defence of All Stars.... Could be a number of them. Don't care. Just ignore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Personal attack to start and then all out defence of All Stars.... Could be a number of them. Don't care. Just ignore. get up him hehe I got banned for sending a haha last nite on other site whata tosser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 12 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: happy do you think mite be farty too much?? Funny he is now practicly claiming he knows the whole purdon family!!! That to go along with claims he bumped into James MacDonald in Sydney a few months ago!! I think he should change his name to "full of shit"......hope you had a good day at the jewels yesterday hunter a few trifecta and f4 divies spiced up by roughies riding the fence line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 On 1/06/2018 at 3:51 PM, Brodie said: Top trainers no doubt, doing things differently to other trainers no doubt!!! Yes Brodie,they don't jog them as much as other trainers,in fact fastwork them more than other trainers and also interval training so horses get used to sprinting 2 or 3 times in a race which also means they can do more work in a race.They spend the money to legally give their horses recovery drugs so they can work them harder days on end.Plus having the best bred horses,which some were actually picked up quite cheaply at sales,helps immensely and having so many horses availeable to them means they only get one chance to impress,so they only keep the best.Unlike a lot of trainers who keep a horse even though they know it wont pay its way,ok for trainer if owner still happy to pay. Other trainers could do all this but choose not too, 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Well said Richie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Richie said: Other trainers could do all this but choose not too, Bizarre they don't but then one sees the way businesses are managed and sports teams are coached so you if you don't have it in you then you simply don't. Mark Purdon is obviously not only the best trainer but he has the all the inherent attributes and skills to be successful in whatever he had chosen to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Bizarre they don't but then one sees the way businesses are managed and sports teams are coached so you if you don't have it in you then you simply don't. Mark Purdon is obviously not only the best trainer but he has the all the inherent attributes and skills to be successful in whatever he had chosen to do. Yes wouldn't matter if Mark was a lawyer,a punter,an accountant,or god forbid a politician,he would always be successful because not being so is not in his mindset.Work ethic 2nd to none 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 20 minutes ago, Richie said: Yes wouldn't matter if Mark was a lawyer,a punter,an accountant,or god forbid a politician,he would always be successful because not being so is not in his mindset.Work ethic 2nd to none Make him a Prime Minister then, the one we have now is hopeless! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Brodie said: Make him a Prime Minister then, the one we have now is hopeless! Compared to previous ones or just your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Brodie said: Make him a Prime Minister then, the one we have now is hopeless! With the gender outcry at the moment over the lack females in leadership or coaching positions, we had better make it Natalie! Put Mark in charge of the Silver Ferns, goodness knows they need improving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Richie said: Compared to previous ones or just your opinion Richie, this government is pathetic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Richie said: Yes Brodie,they don't jog them as much as other trainers,in fact fastwork them more than other trainers and also interval training so horses get used to sprinting 2 or 3 times in a race which also means they can do more work in a race.They spend the money to legally give their horses recovery drugs so they can work them harder days on end.Plus having the best bred horses,which some were actually picked up quite cheaply at sales,helps immensely and having so many horses availeable to them means they only get one chance to impress,so they only keep the best.Unlike a lot of trainers who keep a horse even though they know it wont pay its way,ok for trainer if owner still happy to pay. Other trainers could do all this but choose not too, That's my guess. Galloping trainers like Waller are doing the same. Endless hours of jogging is a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Just now, Chief Stipe said: That's my guess. Galloping trainers like Waller are doing the same. Endless hours of jogging is a waste of time. Yes I always thought that jogging a waste of time when I worked in Harness stable once horses race fit.Our most successful year was when we tried interval training every 2nd day and fast work every other day.Horses seemed to be so much fitter than other horses and after few months of season we were leading premiership but then the boss just decided that we were working too hard and went back to more traditional training and horses nowhere near as fit.I got no idea why he done that but that his prerogative.mind you he was over 60 then and more work involved in interval training as opposed to chucking 8 on jog machine at a time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Richie said: Yes I always thought that jogging a waste of time when I worked in Harness stable once horses race fit.Our most successful year was when we tried interval training every 2nd day and fast work every other day.Horses seemed to be so much fitter than other horses and after few months of season we were leading premiership but then the boss just decided that we were working too hard and went back to more traditional training and horses nowhere near as fit.I got no idea why he done that but that his prerogative.mind you he was over 60 then and more work involved in interval training as opposed to chucking 8 on jog machine at a time. Not sure where you were based but when I worked in a stable I remember endless hours sitting on a tractor with half a dozen horses on the jogger in -7 degree frost. The greatest innovation the boss got was hot water in the washdown shed! Even sitting behind one with one on a lead jogging for 40 minutes to an hour wasn't all that warm. Occasionally you would get a warm blast from the behind of the horse in front often followed by a big nose snort and associated fluids. Those were the days! I'm a firm believer that you can train a horse to sprint more than once during a race and in my opinion that is what interval training does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Not sure where you were based but when I worked in a stable I remember endless hours sitting on a tractor with half a dozen horses on the jogger in -7 degree frost. The greatest innovation the boss got was hot water in the washdown shed! Even sitting behind one with one on a lead jogging for 40 minutes to an hour wasn't all that warm. Occasionally you would get a warm blast from the behind of the horse in front often followed by a big nose snort and associated fluids. Those were the days! cI'm a firm believer that you can train a horse to sprint more than once during a race and in my opinion that is what interval training does. Was based in Ashburton,worked in stable for 18 years,4 fulltime and rest part time.Loved it,even in middle winter with frosts. Just not enough money in it for 90% of workers as no minimum wage back then.Was only earning a third of what my mates were earning working in factorys and I was married with a kid as well.Once 2nd kid came I had to get another job working nightshift and stables during day for 4 hours. Loved it but as kids kept coming and got older gave up stables altogether to concentrate on getting better paid job and coach kids sport etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Make him a Prime Minister then, the one we have now is hopeless! make him racing minister and mite bring in detention barns as new policy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 3/06/2018 at 4:43 PM, Brodie said: Richie, this government is pathetic. and the previous one wasn't ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: That's my guess. Galloping trainers like Waller are doing the same. Endless hours of jogging is a waste of time. Very true. But as Lydiard conclusively showed, you do need hours of 'jogging' before starting on reps and intervals. The key is to keep pushing the jogging pace up, as going at the same speed gets too easy as fitness improves. I imagine most of the aerobic training is done off-site and Purdon/Rasmussen only take a horse over when it's ready for fast work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 10 hours ago, Basil said: Very true. But as Lydiard conclusively showed, you do need hours of 'jogging' before starting on reps and intervals. The key is to keep pushing the jogging pace up, as going at the same speed gets too easy as fitness improves. I imagine most of the aerobic training is done off-site and Purdon/Rasmussen only take a horse over when it's ready for fast work. Yes. When I was a harrier/runner as a teenager I followed the Lydiard method. The key thing was to build a base with aerobic work. A lot of trainers still do lots of long jogging when the horses are in race mode. Lydiard would say at that stage you only jog for recovery or maintenance. Racing takes over from reps and intervals. Also Lydiard's concept of jogging wasn't what most would call jogging. It was running at a steady state rhythm at a reasonable pace with the key being to maintain the aerobic state at whatever pace you could. So some days it might be slower or faster than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Yes. When I was a harrier/runner as a teenager I followed the Lydiard method. The key thing was to build a base with aerobic work. A lot of trainers still do lots of long jogging when the horses are in race mode. Lydiard would say at that stage you only jog for recovery or maintenance. Racing takes over from reps and intervals. Also Lydiard's concept of jogging wasn't what most would call jogging. It was running at a steady state rhythm at a reasonable pace with the key being to maintain the aerobic state at whatever pace you could. So some days it might be slower or faster than others. Absolutely. But is it really true that some trainers do slow distance work with horses that are in race mode? Nothing much surprises me these days, but that certainly would! How and why they'd think that to be a good idea is a bit of a puzzler — all it'll succeed in doing is deaden the horses' legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, Basil said: Absolutely. But is it really true that some trainers do slow distance work with horses that are in race mode? Nothing much surprises me these days, but that certainly would! How and why they'd think that to be a good idea is a bit of a puzzler — all it'll succeed in doing is deaden the horses' legs. I don't really know but is 40 mins jogging "slow distance work" by your measure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 21 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I don't really know but is 40 mins jogging "slow distance work" by your measure? For horses, I'm not sure to be honest. For humans, 40 mins would definitely qualify under the recovery/maintenance heading. But doing that every day would, I'd have thought, be counter-productive. If the horse has had a really hard race, then 40 mins is likely to be too much. If instead the objective is to keep it sharp and race-fit between races, then 40 mins jogging won't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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