hunterthepunter Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 lets say im a lady trainer I have a licence to train I have clean race record I have had 38 starters for 3 winners and seven placings I have been turn down by Riu from getting my public trainers licence for no reason have worked all my life with horses and love them to bits . so how come another person can get a trainers licence and can't gear a horse up . Quote
Newmarket Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 So how did the lady train 3 winners, if no licence? Quote
Invasion of Privacy Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: So how did the lady train 3 winners, if no licence? She has a licence to train(owner trainers licence) I believe she was denied because she was intending to train from her recently disqualified boss’s place 1 Quote
Noodlum Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 9 hours ago, Invasion of Privacy said: I believe she was denied because she was intending to train from her recently disqualified boss’s place So a trainer disqualification disqualifies a dedicated horse training property? That doesn't seem right. Or will anyone who is friends with a disqualified person will also be restricted? What were the reasons given for not approving the upgrade in the license? 2 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 What is the full story of this? Quote
Dougie Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 If this is common knowledge why can't names be used? I don't see the point of posts like this unless we can discuss actual people.... I'm going to assume Mrs C Dalgety is the licence holder whom can't gear up a horse but I could be wrong. Quote
mikeynz Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Dougie said: If this is common knowledge why can't names be used? I don't see the point of posts like this unless we can discuss actual people.... I'm going to assume Mrs C Dalgety is the licence holder whom can't gear up a horse but I could be wrong. What's happened to mr C Dalgety,has he done something wrong? Quote
hunterthepunter Posted September 5, 2020 Author Posted September 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Noodlum said: So a trainer disqualification disqualifies a dedicated horse training property? That doesn't seem right. Or will anyone who is friends with a disqualified person will also be restricted? What were the reasons given for not approving the upgrade in the license? there was no reason given to turn down her licence just comes down to personal grudge and making fools of them self other all Inca cases that failed in court Quote
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 10 hours ago, Dougie said: If this is common knowledge why can't names be used? I don't see the point of posts like this unless we can discuss actual people.... I'm going to assume Mrs C Dalgety is the licence holder whom can't gear up a horse but I could be wrong. htp refers to nicole harris 1 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Rangatira said: htp refers to nicole harris On HRNZ it says she has a licence to train. Quote
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: On HRNZ it says she has a licence to train. and as htp pointed out she was seeking a public trainers licence 1 Quote
LongOwner Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 Surely this bias ruling breaks many NZ govt rules - a) Fair Trading Act b) Commerce Commission c) Anti competition rules d) May even get into equal rights Bound to be more legalisation the RIU have broken re this ruling. All adding to the general vindictive behaviour we have all witnessed over the last 2 years. 1 1 Quote
hunterthepunter Posted September 5, 2020 Author Posted September 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, LongOwner said: Surely this bis as ruling breaks many NZ govt rules - a) Fair Trading Act b) Commerce Commission c) Anti competition rules d) May even get into equal rights Bound to be more legalisation the RIU have broken re this ruling. All adding to the general vindictive behaviour we have all witnessed over the last 2 years. human rights rule . Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Rangatira said: and as htp pointed out she was seeking a public trainers licence Didn't even know there was a difference which shows how much I know and pay attention to. Doesn't really concern my betting so why bother. On 4/09/2020 at 11:00 PM, Invasion of Privacy said: I believe she was denied because she was intending to train from her recently disqualified boss’s place So, it is pretty obvious reading why she didn't get a public licence. What is the point of a suspension if she was. It would make a mockery of the entire code. 22 hours ago, Dougie said: I'm going to assume Mrs C Dalgety is the licence holder whom can't gear up a horse but I could be wrong. There must be something yet to develop publicly here. Quote
Noodlum Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: So, it is pretty obvious reading why she didn't get a public licence. How is it "obvious"? 17 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: What is the point of a suspension if she was. Is SHE suspended? If not then why can't she get a public license? As far as I know they can't "suspend" a property. 1 2 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Noodlum said: How is it "obvious"? HRNZ or whoever is in charge believed she applied for a public licence so her 'boss' could continue working in the background. Otherwise there would be no reason to deny her. Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Noodlum said: Is SHE suspended? No, she isn't it but they must believe the intentions for the application to publicly train are not genuine. How they determine that is questionable. 1 Quote
Noodlum Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: HRNZ or whoever is in charge believed she applied for a public licence so her 'boss' could continue working in the background. That hasn't been stated anywhere yet so would be speculation. Is he banned from attending ALL racecourses and training establishments? Quote
Noodlum Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: No, she isn't it but they must believe the intentions for the application to publicly train are not genuine. How they determine that is questionable. So he got done she didn't. You are right they have no way of knowing or determining her intentions - they can only assume in good faith that her intentions are honourable. You seem to be prevaricating on your position. One post you say if she got a license it would be a mockery and now you are saying that the determination of her intent is a questionable process. 1 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Noodlum said: That hasn't been stated anywhere yet so would be speculation. It is speculation. What else can I do. The information presented by the 'supporters' of Nicole Harris only give one side of the story. It breaks human rights and other NZ legislation? I don't think it is as simple as that so I speculated. Easy to attack the RIU etc but where is there side of the story? Quote
Noodlum Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: The information presented by the 'supporters' of Nicole Harris only give one side of the story. It breaks human rights and other NZ legislation? I don't think it is as simple as that so I speculated. Easy to attack the RIU etc but where is there side of the story? Exactly where is the RIU "side of the story"? I would imagine there isn't an RIU "side of the story" as it isn't their call regarding the granting of a licence. The call is HRNZ's! 2 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Noodlum said: You seem to be prevaricating on your position. One post you say if she got a license it would be a mockery and now you are saying that the determination of her intent is a questionable process. It would be a mockery if they gave her a licence and he did train in the background. Just how the RIU etc came to the conclusion she intended to train with her boss in the background would be intriguing. What proof do they have or did they make a judgment on their perceptions only? I don't know. Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Noodlum said: Exactly where is the RIU "side of the story"? I would imagine there isn't an RIU "side of the story" as it isn't their call regarding the granting of a licence. Why didn't you tell HTP that in the original post where he claims On 4/09/2020 at 8:37 PM, hunterthepunter said: have been turn down by Riu from getting my public trainers licence for no reason Don't blame me, I don't know the process, I just look at what those in the know say. Quote
Noodlum Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 Just now, Happy Sunrise said: It would be a mockery if they gave her a licence and he did train in the background. How would HRNZ know? How would they know if ANY disqualified person was working on a property? 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: Just how the RIU etc came to the conclusion she intended to train with her boss in the background would be intriguing. What proof do they have or did they make a judgment on their perceptions only? I don't know. It has nothing to do with the RIU - the decision is made by HRNZ. Why not suspend her Licence to Train if they have justifiable concerns? Under that license she can still train 5 horses - and according to the poorly written rule they can be owned by anyone. Quote
Noodlum Posted September 5, 2020 Posted September 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Why didn't you tell HTP that in the original post where he claims Don't blame me, I don't know the process, I just look at what those in the know say. If you don't know the process then how can you speculate? HTP may well be wrong and doesn't understand the process either or the RIU did stick their oar in. The point is it is HRNZ that grants the licence. Quote
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