Guest CrossCodes Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 With these new whip rules in place it’s hard to back a horse or driver with confidence when you see them not being driven out fully like they used to be in fear of being fined for even giving them a decent crack. An example would be The Banker tonight, hot favourite hardly asked for an effort over the last 100m, driver seemed to scared to use the whip, and there are many other examples of other drivers and horses the same. Seems they are not wanting to really give their drives a few decent cracks nowadays as they get warned or fined, it’s horrible as a punter to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I think with The Banker it's probably not the best arguement too use. I've backed this horse a few times,even before the rules came in and he looks like a horse that can't really be touched with the whip.Even when he deadheated he was hardly touched.The days of them giving them a decent crack are done,as the arm can't go that far back now.It's definitely strange to see,but it's how it is now and i guess the drivers are still figuring out how 'far' they can go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, CrossCodes said: With these new whip rules in place it’s hard to back a horse or driver with confidence when you see them not being driven out fully like they used to be in fear of being fined for even giving them a decent crack. An example would be The Banker tonight, hot favourite hardly asked for an effort over the last 100m, driver seemed to scared to use the whip, and there are many other examples of other drivers and horses the same. Seems they are not wanting to really give their drives a few decent cracks nowadays as they get warned or fined, it’s horrible as a punter to watch. Watched that race and also wondered why The Banker was not driven out? Driver also never bothered to pull the hood, and if he hadve done both, I am sure it wouldve won! If you backed it to win, you should be very disappointed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewFitzgerald Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Watched that race and also wondered why The Banker was not driven out? Driver also never bothered to pull the hood, and if he hadve done both, I am sure it wouldve won! If you backed it to win, you should be very disappointed! The horse wears Fixed Deafeners - meaning that hood is under the bridle and unable to be pulled. That gear suggestions it might be a horse that can get wound up easily and maybe also can be a bit unruly - some Auckland Reactors have that in them which stems from AR being by Mach Three who were known to get a bit hot headed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, AndrewFitzgerald said: The horse wears Fixed Deafeners - meaning that hood is under the bridle and unable to be pulled. That gear suggestions it might be a horse that can get wound up easily and maybe also can be a bit unruly - some Auckland Reactors have that in them which stems from AR being by Mach Three who were known to get a bit hot headed. That explains the hood not being pulled, thanks Andrew! However, you would have to agree that David Butcher was not that aggressive with the persuader, and had he been, The Banker wouldve won? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Brodie said: That explains the hood not being pulled, thanks Andrew! However, you would have to agree that David Butcher was not that aggressive with the persuader, and had he been, The Banker wouldve won? All the above seems relevant but the question still should be asked. Would The banker have found a bit more had he been driven with any vigour late in the race. We will never know because it never happened. Should the risky manners shown earlier in its career be a reasonable excuse. If you trained or owned it you would say yes,if your a punter you would say no. Stewards are there to protect the integrity for punters,so the driver should be questioned by the stipes in my opinion.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 After witnessing hansadtic bled at Caulfield being flogged going nowhere backwards it's cruelty.ban the use of the whip completely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 7 hours ago, Forbury said: After witnessing hansadtic bled at Caulfield being flogged going nowhere backwards it's cruelty.ban the use of the whip completely. If the whip was banned, harness racing will be dead! Why would punters who want to back a winner bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Geoff Martin and Danke ahead of the times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Personally i think its about time the "Whip" used in harness racing had a name change. Using the word "whip" gives connotations that harness is trying to distance itself from in this ever increasingly P.C. world. Perception is reality for most, quite often irrespective of the truth. So time for the "whip" to have a name change. Maybe officially become the "persuader",or the padded prompter, or some other p.c. name. It is the world we live in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 hours ago, the galah said: So time for the "whip" to have a name change. Maybe officially become the "persuader",or the padded prompter, or some other p.c. name. It is the world we live in. It could be a 'facilitator' How PC is that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Seems rein use is affected under the new rules. A good driver can give one hellava slap across the rump with a rein! The PC brigade will ask for sheepskin liners! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 15/10/2020 at 6:39 PM, CrossCodes said: With these new whip rules in place it’s hard to back a horse or driver with confidence when you see them not being driven out fully like they used to be in fear of being fined for even giving them a decent crack. An example would be The Banker tonight, hot favourite hardly asked for an effort over the last 100m, driver seemed to scared to use the whip, and there are many other examples of other drivers and horses the same. Seems they are not wanting to really give their drives a few decent cracks nowadays as they get warned or fined, it’s horrible as a punter to watch. the banker beaten again. It just seems one of those horses that has got used to not being driven out the last bit and the horse seems quite happy to not give anymore in the last 50m. That race was an interesting watch. You had to wonder why the d ferguson horse ,who faded to a bad last,was driven so aggressively to keep the lead off the 2nd favorite over the first 800m. It was like he was sacrificing its chances for some reason. It must be hard watching a race like that, if the only horse you train is given such a gut buster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 6 hours ago, the galah said: the banker beaten again. It just seems one of those horses that has got used to not being driven out the last bit and the horse seems quite happy to not give anymore in the last 50m. That race was an interesting watch. You had to wonder why the d ferguson horse ,who faded to a bad last,was driven so aggressively to keep the lead off the 2nd favorite over the first 800m. It was like he was sacrificing its chances for some reason. It must be hard watching a race like that, if the only horse you train is given such a gut buster. Personally can not see why The banker has fixed deafeners on? A word to the trainer to make them removable and the horse has won its last two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 5:37 AM, Brodie said: If the whip was banned, harness racing will be dead! Why would punters who want to back a winner bother? I disagree fully.the drivers ain't good enough.i always knew how good Dexter is and was keeping track of so called fixed drives races.now in North America where it's all about who's can run the fastest mile Dexter does not use the whip much if any at all.he does not put much pressure on the horse but can get it to run faster than anyone else could.when you see drivers like Shree it's a stark difference.i love horses and they do not need the whip....I would love to ride Darren weir with spurs and a jigger a whip and a big milkshake for him.i hate the goldfish(purdons) but they are quiet easy on their horses compared to others.they do not need a whip to run their fastest.top drivers proof that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Each to their own. However personally don't like to see horses being beaten. The Galah, overall its nice to see you back posting, after your 2 months spell. Iv enjoyed reading your posts over the past 12 months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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