Guest CrossCodes Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 Waching his 2 year old both running awful races tonight it really is apparent his stable is nothing like years gone by. He always used to have really good horses, and he still has a couple, but struggles in the big races now and can't compete with the Purdons. I remember years ago when he won the premiership (albeit by dodgy means), those years are long gone now. His horses are always short and don't really deliver like they used to, maybe people remember him for being a good trainer in the past, not as good now. Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, CrossCodes said: Waching his 2 year old both running awful races tonight it really is apparent his stable is nothing like years gone by. He always used to have really good horses, and he still has a couple, but struggles in the big races now and can't compete with the Purdons. I remember years ago when he won the premiership (albeit by dodgy means), those years are long gone now. His horses are always short and don't really deliver like they used to, maybe people remember him for being a good trainer in the past, not as good now. crosscodes so you think cran won premieship by dodgy means? tell us more so you think this years leader is a saint Quote
Newmarket Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 Stable is going thru lean patch, as most do at times. You gotta remember it’s winter also, hardly have too horses racing. 1 Quote
Guest CrossCodes Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: crosscodes so you think cran won premieship by dodgy means? tell us more so you think this years leader is a saint If I recall it was right down to the line in the premiership and Cran suddenly had some more horses under his name in the last few weeks, Lochaburn I think was one, and it's what ultimately won him the title, it wasn't a good look and a lot if people lost a lot of respect for him after he did it. The stable has slowly got worse with each season that passes, although to be fair, with the Allstars winning all the feature races everyone's stable might look worse than normal. Edited June 14, 2018 by CrossCodes Quote
Portfolio Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 6 hours ago, CrossCodes said: If I recall it was right down to the line in the premiership and Cran suddenly had some more horses under his name in the last few weeks, Lochaburn I think was one, and it's what ultimately won him the title, it wasn't a good look and a lot if people lost a lot of respect for him after he did it. The stable has slowly got worse with each season that passes, although to be fair, with the Allstars winning all the feature races everyone's stable might look worse than normal. Had a few injured too, rakapuka ruler one. But I sort of agree, stable is battling a bit. Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 On 15/06/2018 at 12:37 AM, CrossCodes said: If I recall it was right down to the line in the premiership and Cran suddenly had some more horses under his name in the last few weeks, Lochaburn I think was one, and it's what ultimately won him the title, it wasn't a good look and a lot if people lost a lot of respect for him after he did it. The stable has slowly got worse with each season that passes, although to be fair, with the Allstars winning all the feature races everyone's stable might look worse than normal. that's we bit unfair as cran is moving into selling more than racing and most good trainers have spelled better horses so its down to winter racing 1 Quote
Brodie Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 Think it was great that Cran won the premiership that year! It is also great that Blair Aorange will win the drivers premiership this year as dominance in anything is no good! You might say that Cran got a bit of a hand to win that year, but you must realise that Dexter was the stable driver for Michael House wasn’t he! Not sure how or why Blair picked up Dexters drives from Michael House, however if Blair hadn’t then Dexter wins the premiership once again!! 3 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Brodie said: It is also great that Blair Aorange will win the drivers premiership this year as dominance in anything is no good! Funny. Whatever are you alluding to! Maybe that is why the TAB restrict you Brodie...they don't like you spanking them.... 3 Quote
Richie Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 Cran has still had 43 winners this season from a couple hundred starts,still a good year I would say.Especially as sold quite a few very promising types.What has surprised me is the emergence of Steve Telfer as probably the leading North Island trainer and also the poor strike rate of Mark Jones this year. 1 Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Richie said: Cran has still had 43 winners this season from a couple hundred starts,still a good year I would say.Especially as sold quite a few very promising types.What has surprised me is the emergence of Steve Telfer as probably the leading North Island trainer and also the poor strike rate of Mark Jones this year. mark jones two winners today his strike rate better than most Quote
Richie Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: mark jones two winners today his strike rate better than most Not really. Before today had lowest strike rate of top 25 trainers of .2119 Havent checked now but probably still does 1 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 $$ won quite low too. As a follow on from Richie's post. Cran still good and healthy money 1 Quote
Richie Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 Actually just checked premiership and Mark has had 3rd most starters of any trainer in country and is 8th on premiership and 25th in UDR. I just surprised as seems to travel down south a bit with his horses and always seems to be winning but obviously not as much as I thought Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Richie said: Mark has had 3rd most starters of any trainer in country Never feels like it does it. Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 The Purdon performance is incredible. As an aside, does anyone know if the Purdon sells many? Quote
Richie Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: The Purdon performance is incredible. As an aside, does anyone know if the Purdon sells many? Im pretty sure Chris Alford has bought quite a few off them lately 1 Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, Richie said: Im pretty sure Chris Alford has bought quite a few off them lately nah dean braun has they are fuked when leave that stable just look at major hippie and bare knuckle major hippie meant to be cup horse whata pup turned out to be Quote
LongOwner Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Richie said: Actually just checked premiership and Mark has had 3rd most starters of any trainer in country and is 8th on premiership and 25th in UDR. I just surprised as seems to travel down south a bit with his horses and always seems to be winning but obviously not as much as I thought Poor UDR - the true guide - and this after he travels chasing weaker fields ( I.e. Oamaru today ) Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 On 17/06/2018 at 7:27 PM, Richie said: Actually just checked premiership and Mark has had 3rd most starters of any trainer in country and is 8th on premiership and 25th in UDR. I just surprised as seems to travel down south a bit with his horses and always seems to be winning but obviously not as much as I thought 42 winners is not bad for mark bull frog told me the other day your old boss won 30 trials and workouts one year and only got two winners on race day for the year 1 Quote
BitofaLegend Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) On 14/06/2018 at 8:25 PM, CrossCodes said: Waching his 2 year old both running awful races tonight it really is apparent his stable is nothing like years gone by. He always used to have really good horses, and he still has a couple, but struggles in the big races now and can't compete with the Purdons. I remember years ago when he won the premiership (albeit by dodgy means), those years are long gone now. His horses are always short and don't really deliver like they used to, maybe people remember him for being a good trainer in the past, not as good now. Stats speak for themselves im afraid. Your wrong. Hes still sits fifth on the board with the least amount of starters in the top 10 and third in the prize money pool. If this is a sign of a trainer being unsuccessful. Then you must really be something special If he is not a good trainer... what would you say about the rest of the trainers in the country? Terrible? Edited June 18, 2018 by BitofaLegend 1 Quote
Guest CrossCodes Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 I note Mark Jones has had a few more racing in Australia lately, normally the kiwi horses improve a fair bit once they go over there, but his are just whacking away. Wonder who is actually training them though as surely he can't be in two places at the same time! Quote
Richie Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 22 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: 42 winners is not bad for mark bull frog told me the other day your old boss won 30 trials and workouts one year and only got two winners on race day for the year May have been the year we sold about 20 to the states through Mike Stormont.That was a time when the states were buying up big.Plane loads going just about every week. Quote
Brodie Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 37 minutes ago, CrossCodes said: I note Mark Jones has had a few more racing in Australia lately, normally the kiwi horses improve a fair bit once they go over there, but his are just whacking away. Wonder who is actually training them though as surely he can't be in two places at the same time! Didn’t he appoint Ashleigh Sieka to train for him in Oz! Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, Brodie said: Didn’t he appoint Ashleigh Sieka to train for him in Oz! ashlea greives brodie Quote
Richie Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: ashlea greives brodie Ashlee Grives(Siejka) has a good background.I am sure that eventually the stable will get rocking Quote
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