Karrots Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: I don't see his articles , only what Davis put at the start here. BAD NEWS always hurts I'm afraid. https://muckrack.com/martin-van-beynen/articles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, MarkyMark said: Because Chief he is media, he doesnt have to, and it is to write whatever is out there that will attract attention, that is his job after all. And, all he is doing is writing about the actions of on goings that seem to keep on recurring within this industry. He is not to blame, the industry keeps giving him these stories to write after all. All the media are selective with what they choose to write. when it comes to a professional arena, you have to distinguish societal standards to that of a professional environment. Regardless of whether he was legally aloud to drive a car, 1. he knew the rules 2. he is driving, in arguably a dangerous sport, you can not factually determine in anyway that any level of alcohol reading above zero, how that may impair in anyway Blair compared to being entirely sober rules are rules. and are consistent with other professional and corporate environments, businesses and sports. additionally you have a safety issue, and set a dangerous precedent to then determine what level of alcohol is then permissible for a driver to be ok to drive race day. your coming across in your recent posts as an intelligent form or type of Brodie regarding this Marky, you ask the question as to what level of alcohol should be permissible for a driver to be OK to drive? Personally, I believe a far better question on that basis is at what level of intelligence should a harness driver have to be able to drive safely on the track? It is not difficult to ascertain that many of the drivers currently licensed, should not be out on the track going by their consitently very poor decision making! Not picking on any one driver whatsoever, but the assumption that New Zealand’s top driver is not capable of making sound decisions on the track, due to having a minuscule breath alcohol reading is farcical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, Brodie said: Marky, you ask the question as to what level of alcohol should be permissible for a driver to be OK to drive? Personally, I believe a far better question on that basis is at what level of intelligence should a harness driver have to be able to drive safely on the track? It is not difficult to ascertain that many of the drivers currently licensed, should not be out on the track going by their consitently very poor decision making! Not picking on any one driver whatsoever, but the assumption that New Zealand’s top driver is not capable of making sound decisions on the track, due to having a minuscule breath alcohol reading is farcical! ok, but that is a different issue, im not changing goal posts to suit my argument. on your last point, then what you are saying is that it is ok to have a alcohol reading above zero as a driver. We are on 2 different planets Brodie. im gratefull you do not run what is already a bit of a shit show. so would you be ok with the player from the all blacks having a beer before the game? i bet the sponsors and the fans would love that. you would be ok with a jockey riding under the influence, its ok for harness then why not? i mean for fuck sake, you want harness to be a sport that shows integrity and prioritizes safety of its participants, this leads to a more widely respected industry, and you see this shit. yes, even sportsman, of all sorts, drivers are entitled to the same civil liberties as anyone else, but when it enters the professional domain, and you are paid to perform a duty, and you rightfully give up your civil liberties in accordance with a contract that restricts you to not performing your duty with a alcohol reading, as Blair knows and would have agreed to. There is no point in defending the indefensible. i give up on this conversation now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 39 minutes ago, Brodie said: Marky, you ask the question as to what level of alcohol should be permissible for a driver to be OK to drive? Personally, I believe a far better question on that basis is at what level of intelligence should a harness driver have to be able to drive safely on the track? It is not difficult to ascertain that many of the drivers currently licensed, should not be out on the track going by their consitently very poor decision making! Not picking on any one driver whatsoever, but the assumption that New Zealand’s top driver is not capable of making sound decisions on the track, due to having a minuscule breath alcohol reading is farcical! You continue to harp on about Blair and his ability to drive with a certain level of alcohol in his blood. While doing this you continue to criticise nearly every other driver out there. also I can’t recall you saying butt would be better than most sober drivers. so let’s say for arguments sake it was one of the junior drivers who was in Blair’s situation and blew over 100 . Then you wouldn’t be involved in this conversation at all! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Gammalite said: Also some more truths are , he didn't get his timing right, he is guilty of an offence , and is going to get a penalty. Can you tell us with all this TRUTH you have, if Mr Butt would be ok with his limit in 15 minutes? Hopefully Blair and Bob got driven to the racecourse by family or friend , rather than risking a positive on the road , since they didn't know what their reading was ? Quite often Blair drives the Ken Barron truck to the races. I have no idea if it was him or Ken who drove it on Sunday. Now someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I have just checked with a friend of mine who has truck licence and he said that it is zero tolerance when operating the horse truck. So if Blair did drive that truck then he was breaking the law there. But in Brodie’s eyes because it is Blair Orange he should be excused from the laws that everyone has to abide by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bang Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Blossom lady said: Quite often Blair drives the Ken Barron truck to the races. I have no idea if it was him or Ken who drove it on Sunday. Now someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I have just checked with a friend of mine who has truck licence and he said that it is zero tolerance when operating the horse truck. So if Blair did drive that truck then he was breaking the law there. But in Brodie’s eyes because it is Blair Orange he should be excused from the laws that everyone has to abide by. Ken Barron drove the truck. I watched them come in the gate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 At this stage of the match it is very evident that Brodie is on a hiding to nothing. In fairness to the poor chap, can I ask that you now leave him alone as it is literally becoming a "flogging of a dead horse situation." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 50 minutes ago, Brodie said: Personally, I believe a far better question on that basis is at what level of intelligence should a harness driver have to be able to drive safely on the track? It is not difficult to ascertain that many of the drivers currently licensed, should not be out on the track going by their consitently very poor decision making! Is hard to believe you are the one who argued so vehemently that the NZ driving standard was way better than Oz. lol..... I feel like you have reneged on that now? At least i'm winning that one. The intelligence level of the bloke you admire might be looked at? On the track well.... superman... give him a beer. Those people work darn hard Brodie , could be 7 days a week for some for decades .... maybe not the sharpest tools in some areas, but generally FOLLOW THE RULES better than some...... who? lol....... 1 minute ago, KickintheKods said: In fairness to the poor chap, can I ask that you now leave him alone Why? he is picking on everyone else but the guilty party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 No point answering each one, but to summarise, I have never once condoned Blair Orange or Bob Butt being over the current rule of 100mcg of breath alcohol! I am taking it that the 120mcg for Blair as someone quoted to be correct, if not I would have another opinion. I have no knowlege of what Bob Butt’s reading was! I reiterate, Blair Orange driving at the above reading would be no extra dangerous than someone who has been drinking lemonade all morning. Blair obviously drank Saturday night and clearly thought that kt would be out of his system by the time he was tested and it would’ve been under the 100mcg in short time after testing! By the time he jumped in the cart for his first drive of the day he would be recording ZILCH, so he was not endangering anyones life!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Is hard to believe you are the one who argued so vehemently that the NZ driving standard was way better than Oz. lol..... I feel like you have reneged on that now? At least i'm winning that one. The intelligence level of the bloke you admire might be looked at? On the track well.... superman... give him a beer. Those people work darn hard Brodie , could be 7 days a week for some for decades .... maybe not the sharpest tools in some areas, but generally FOLLOW THE RULES better than some...... who? lol....... Why? he is picking on everyone else but the guilty party? Gamma, a fair proportion of the Ozzie drivers drive like they have been on the grog for a long time, and I suggest that they drive a helluva lot worse that what Blair Orange would registering 120mcg! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzer Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Blair 120. Bob around the 200 is the word around town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Before anyone goes down the "the driving a truck limit is zero" and "driver B must have been breaking the road code" path. A quick check of the road code will show you that that isn't the case. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 How about a follow-up story in a positive light, by the journo on how Harness are cracking down; Driver B Butt admitted a breach of Rule 513(3)(a)(c) & (4)(c) in that he provided a breath alcohol sample in excess of 100 micrograms of alcohol per litre of breath. After hearing submissions on penalty, the JCA suspended Mr Butt's licence from the conclusion of racing on 31 January 2021 up to and including 28 March 2021 (8 weeks). R Houghton (EXECUTIVE BANNER) [Rule 869(2) Whip & Rein Reg] - Using whip free of the rein and with more than a wrist flicking motion. Fined $500. B Hope (LUELLA) [Rule 868(3)] - Failed to drive out to the end of the race when having a reasonable chance of finishing 5th. Fined $200. R Close (NOT OVER) [Rule 869(2) Whip & Rein Reg] - Using whip with more than a wrist flicking motion. Fined $200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Karrots said: How about a follow-up story in a positive light, by the journo on how Harness are cracking down; Driver B Butt admitted a breach of Rule 513(3)(a)(c) & (4)(c) in that he provided a breath alcohol sample in excess of 100 micrograms of alcohol per litre of breath. After hearing submissions on penalty, the JCA suspended Mr Butt's licence from the conclusion of racing on 31 January 2021 up to and including 28 March 2021 (8 weeks). R Houghton (EXECUTIVE BANNER) [Rule 869(2) Whip & Rein Reg] - Using whip free of the rein and with more than a wrist flicking motion. Fined $500. B Hope (LUELLA) [Rule 868(3)] - Failed to drive out to the end of the race when having a reasonable chance of finishing 5th. Fined $200. R Close (NOT OVER) [Rule 869(2) Whip & Rein Reg] - Using whip with more than a wrist flicking motion. Fined $200. More BS! Som e get fined for driving with too much vigour and anther gets done for not driving vigorously enough!!!! New whip rule is not working RIU, why on earth you changed it from what it originally was is nard to fathom? Thats right, you panicked and changed something that did not need changing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 8 hours ago, Karrots said: B Hope (LUELLA) [Rule 868(3)] - Failed to drive out to the end of the race when having a reasonable chance of finishing 5th ??? What was the betting option for running FIFTH?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: ??? What was the betting option for running FIFTH?! You asking me Chief, oh I don't know why charged. But what I do know is no-one has put forward a nomination for the equivalent journo for A). gallops and also B). dogs. I can extend nominations again to make it work so we get some entries. Earth calling Milo come in Milo. Or Mehe, you guys would know about doggie journos? Edited January 30, 2021 by Karrots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 28/01/2021 at 8:41 PM, Big Bang said: Ken Barron drove the truck. I watched them come in the gate. Thanks for that Blair 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 hours ago, Karrots said: You asking me Chief, oh I don't know why charged. But what I do know is no-one has put forward a nomination for the equivalent journo for A). gallops and also B). dogs. I can extend nominations again to make it work so we get some entries. Earth calling Milo come in Milo. Or Mehe, you guys would know about doggie journos? JJ Flash, he knows everything! just no one cares or wants to listen to him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 17 minutes ago, whiplash smile said: JJ Flash, he knows everything! just no one cares or wants to listen to him. Hahaha. Whippy psst psst, me thinks, me knows da answer. Thinking its nada. But not 100% sure. Double checking. Which would bring me to my point of why does only Harness have a special journo? Surely gallops and doggies peeps are not all perfect princes & princesses all the time. Anyway could just be someone talking to someone for a story. Yes I believe in integrity thru-out the entire system is paramount. My point is not that. It is that this special journo is out to attack Harness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Karrots said: Hahaha. Whippy psst psst, me thinks, me knows da answer. Thinking its nada. But not 100% sure. Double checking. Which would bring me to my point of why does only Harness have a special journo? Surely gallops and doggies peeps are not all perfect princes & princesses all the time. Anyway could just be someone talking to someone for a story. Yes I believe in integrity thru-out the entire system is paramount. My point is not that. It is that this special journo is out to attack Harness. Inca was supposed to bring integrity to Harness and all its done is tarnish it with the shit brush and MVB wants to be abit sensationalist in his stories, Harness people are mostly unimpressed. This guy would confuse the Harness Racing Weekly for the Womans Weekly. He should write for the Womans Day cause his shit stirring makes him look like a class A cunt! I would hate to run into him at the bar at the races cause I would probably clock that clown! and whippy is fast runner so cops wont catch me! Faster than those gee gees at methven today! ( well faster than my selections anyway) Van Beyen if you are reading this then smile cause you have reached Dirty ASS Weasel status like JJ Flash, Congratulations!! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 28/01/2021 at 8:58 PM, Brodie said: No point answering each one, but to summarise, I have never once condoned Blair Orange or Bob Butt being over the current rule of 100mcg of breath alcohol! I am taking it that the 120mcg for Blair as someone quoted to be correct, if not I would have another opinion. I have no knowlege of what Bob Butt’s reading was! I reiterate, Blair Orange driving at the above reading would be no extra dangerous than someone who has been drinking lemonade all morning. Blair obviously drank Saturday night and clearly thought that kt would be out of his system by the time he was tested and it would’ve been under the 100mcg in short time after testing! By the time he jumped in the cart for his first drive of the day he would be recording ZILCH, so he was not endangering anyones life!!!! Biggest problem is he cost the punters who had selected their horses thinking he was driving cause he is probably at least 50% of the reason they win sometimes, Nevermind he will cop the punishment and carry on driving like the champ he is! Blair, Kia Kaha Bro!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, whiplash smile said: This guy would confuse the Harness Racing Weekly for the Womans Weekly. Both your last 2 posts well written with humour there Whippee. Well done. I wonder if Harness needs a neutral journo, that is not friends with anyone. That comes in and writes the news good and bad on a regular basis. Objective and not subjective. Maybe that is what is lacking. Because I know thru some of these things I have been curious to know exactly what the facts are. And published for all the harness industry to see, not for the general public. Of course the bigger news, meaning leading trainer/driver news would go general anyway. But that is normal. This could be an opportunity maybe … for someone to take …. People couldn’t get all funky monkey with the person as they would be there to provide all facts good AND bad. Edited January 31, 2021 by Karrots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, Karrots said: Both your last 2 posts well written with humour there Whippee. Well done. I wonder if Harness needs a neutral journo, that is not friends with anyone. That comes in and writes the news good and bad on a regular basis. Objective and not subjective. Maybe that is what is lacking. Because I know thru some of these things I have been curious to know exactly what the facts are. And published for all the harness industry to see, not for the general public. Of course the bigger news, meaning leading trainer/driver news would go general anyway. But that is normal. This could be an opportunity maybe … for someone to take …. People couldn’t get all funky monkey with the person as they would be there to provide all facts good AND bad. Just needs to be like the HRNZ articles, tell us bout the horse and its chances from the horses mouth (trainer and driver) but NO Maurie Mac , should go good, won its last 14 starts on end so should be thereabouts Blah Blah Thats where Mickey Guerin was good, would try and present a scenario and try to milk some good oil. Mickeys an upwardly mobile poncy vain annoying wanker but at least he goes for the info directly related to the punt, Hes the best journo I can think of in that regard and at the end of the day feel good stories are nice, But I want some Cash, sick of donating to the CEOS golf membership fees! Perhaps you should do it Karrots and then we can abuse you! lol! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, whiplash smile said: Just needs to be like the HRNZ articles, tell us bout the horse and its chances from the horses mouth (trainer and driver) but NO Maurie Mac , should go good, won its last 14 starts on end so should be thereabouts Blah Blah Thats where Mickey Guerin was good, would try and present a scenario and try to milk some good oil. Mickeys an upwardly mobile poncy vain annoying wanker but at least he goes for the info directly related to the punt, Hes the best journo I can think of in that regard and at the end of the day feel good stories are nice, But I want some Cash, sick of donating to the CEOS golf membership fees! Perhaps you should do it Karrots and then we can abuse you! lol! For me regarding tipping info. All I am interested in is if they plan to roll forward or not or if they will try to make a mid-race move or not. Also if the horse has had a problem recently eg Triple Eight had ulcers. Wonder what others maybe interested in reading about on here …. ? Yeah we well I have been giving journos a bit of a hard time on here of late. Oh dear. Wonder how someone could realistically do it independent of HRNZ. They could get leads from stories from BOAY. Would either need sponsors or try to get a website going with traffic to get advertisers on website or do like how BOAY is run so that there are ads that come up - (I guess due to the amount of traffic that passes). Or would need to do a subscription. I think online oppose print or emailing out articles. That way articles can’t be shared. Just some thoughts ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 PS - There would be nothing stopping them having a “nom de plume" name & also re sponsors could look outside square, go for beer sponsors or something oppose just industry sponsors. We are funny Whippy - creating a potential job here ourselves lol. Maybe Harness Xpress could change things up a bit ... or add in a separate component dedicated to the above we mentioned ... if they are struggling ... Who knows anyway just some thoughts/ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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