Newmarket Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 What do we know about this, do we know of anyone involved in this? Quote
Newmarket Posted June 18, 2018 Author Posted June 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, Blossom lady said: All stars. Lol I know little about it, do you? Been told it costs about $1k per horse, so obviously only used for good horses in big races? Obviously other stables do it, but why don’t the public know what horses are involved, I think they should. Illegal for athletes, but not for horse racing? 1 Quote
Portfolio Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 Get on Facebook, have a look at Harness Racing Owners NZ. Plenty of discussion about it, mostly not good. It’s a rich mans sport. Quote
Blossom lady Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 31 minutes ago, Newmarket said: I know little about it, do you? Been told it costs about $1k per horse, so obviously only used for good horses in big races? Obviously other stables do it, but why don’t the public know what horses are involved, I think they should. Illegal for athletes, but not for horse racing? Google the directors of the company. Think that explains it all. that FB post portfolio is talking about is very "entertaining" . Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Blossom lady said: All stars. Lol all stars doing bit more than that Quote
Blossom lady Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: all stars doing bit more than that You have proof of that!! Quote
BitofaLegend Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 so many people jealous of success.it amazes me. 1 Quote
Brodie Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 57 minutes ago, Blossom lady said: You have proof of that!! Blossom, this has been gone over and over that many times, and there are the ones who beleive that The AllStars will never stretch the rules. Then there are the majority who know that they dominate harness racing in Australasia and that all other trainers in Australasia are not professional enough and are second rate compared to The AllStars horses, and know that this dominance is very bad for racing. Whichever side you are on is your own business and you are entitled to your opinion. I think most people know about the blood replacement program that AllStars use on their horses and also that they use different vet drugs than other stables, and they may well all be legal currently. Do the AllStars horses get more additives than all other stables in NZ? Of course they do, you only need to ask a well known trainer from down south, and ask him what the first training bill for his top horse was? No real point debating this over and over again as there is never going to be a right or wrong, and it can sometimes get a bit too heated! 1 Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Brodie said: Blossom, this has been gone over and over that many times, and there are the ones who beleive that The AllStars will never stretch the rules. Then there are the majority who know that they dominate harness racing in Australasia and that all other trainers in Australasia are not professional enough and are second rate compared to The AllStars horses, and know that this dominance is very bad for racing. Whichever side you are on is your own business and you are entitled to your opinion. I think most people know about the blood replacement program that AllStars use on their horses and also that they use different vet drugs than other stables, and they may well all be legal currently. Do the AllStars horses get more additives than all other stables in NZ? Of course they do, you only need to ask a well known trainer from down south, and ask him what the first training bill for his top horse was? No real point debating this over and over again as there is never going to be a right or wrong, and it can sometimes get a bit too heated! great post brodie agree every one is entitled to there own opinion Quote
BitofaLegend Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: great post brodie agree every one is entitled to there own opinion as long as they have ACTUAL evidence supporting their claims and are not making this up because of the success purdons have had. Sounds to me like its more of brodies wishful thinking than anything else. Maybe Brodie is the one doing all of these things as Brodie seems to know alot about it Quote
Brodie Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 10 hours ago, BitofaLegend said: as long as they have ACTUAL evidence supporting their claims and are not making this up because of the success purdons have had. Sounds to me like its more of brodies wishful thinking than anything else. Maybe Brodie is the one doing all of these things as Brodie seems to know alot about it Bitofalegend, not too sure what you mean? what wishful thinking of what? Doing what things? Are you saying that The AllStars do not do the blood replacing? Are you also saying that The AllStars don’t use a lot of vet assistance? Havent once said anything is illegal have I? 1 Quote
BitofaLegend Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Brodie said: Bitofalegend, not too sure what you mean? what wishful thinking of what? Doing what things? Are you saying that The AllStars do not do the blood replacing? Are you also saying that The AllStars don’t use a lot of vet assistance? Havent once said anything is illegal have I? You haven't once said that you do not do the same? Edited June 18, 2018 by BitofaLegend Quote
Brodie Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 1 minute ago, BitofaLegend said: You haven't once said that you do not do the same? Ya What? I don’t give myself blood replacement? Quote
The Diceman's Been Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Brodie said: Ya What? I don’t give myself blood replacement? In that case I feel for you mate. I have to get litres poured into me after a night on the Blue pills. Thomarse, on the other hand, goes thru 3 puncture repair kits. 2 Quote
Newmarket Posted June 18, 2018 Author Posted June 18, 2018 11 hours ago, Brodie said: Blossom, this has been gone over and over that many times, and there are the ones who beleive that The AllStars will never stretch the rules. Then there are the majority who know that they dominate harness racing in Australasia and that all other trainers in Australasia are not professional enough and are second rate compared to The AllStars horses, and know that this dominance is very bad for racing. Whichever side you are on is your own business and you are entitled to your opinion. I think most people know about the blood replacement program that AllStars use on their horses and also that they use different vet drugs than other stables, and they may well all be legal currently. Do the AllStars horses get more additives than all other stables in NZ? Of course they do, you only need to ask a well known trainer from down south, and ask him what the first training bill for his top horse was? No real point debating this over and over again as there is never going to be a right or wrong, and it can sometimes get a bit too heated! Nope, I never knew stable was replacing blood. Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 4 hours ago, The Diceman's Been said: In that case I feel for you mate. I have to get litres poured into me after a night on the Blue pills. Thomarse, on the other hand, goes thru 3 puncture repair kits. cant you keep it up diceman?? haha 1 Quote
Newmarket Posted June 19, 2018 Author Posted June 19, 2018 To me it’s pretty dodgy. So a stable has horse running in a $20k race that does not have this blood scenario, yet horse races $200k following week, guess what!!! Easy to manipulate dont you think Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: To me it’s pretty dodgy. So a stable has horse running in a $20k race that does not have this blood scenario, yet horse races $200k following week, guess what!!! Easy to manipulate dont you think But there a 100 ways to manipulate the way a horse runs, aren't there? It is legal what they are doing so it is hard to criticise. Can someone outline the HRNZ owners thoughts? Portfolio might have it right....the rich getting richer Quote
Guest CrossCodes Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 The business directors are listed as Mark Purdon Natalie Rasmussen Garry Andrews Ian Mitchell The shareholders are listed as 25% each to Purdon an Rasmussen, and the remaining 50% to the company Equine Blood Solutions pty limited. So I guess it is fair to say that the Purdon/Rasmussen team are using this product, but since it is legal I see no problem apart from the fact it is expensive and possibly out of the market for smaller trainers. Quote
Brodie Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 Bit weird really! This blood thing is currently legal for race horses but believe is illegal for humans athletes! Caffeine is legal for humans and yet it is ILLEGAL for horses! Go figure!!! 1 Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 1 hour ago, CrossCodes said: The business directors are listed as Mark Purdon Natalie Rasmussen Garry Andrews Ian Mitchell The shareholders are listed as 25% each to Purdon an Rasmussen, and the remaining 50% to the company Equine Blood Solutions pty limited. So I guess it is fair to say that the Purdon/Rasmussen team are using this product, but since it is legal I see no problem apart from the fact it is expensive and possibly out of the market for smaller trainers. so is it the same as spinning the blood?? Quote
Guest CrossCodes Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: so is it the same as spinning the blood?? Wouldn't have a clue I'm afraid, haven't really looked into it. Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 well spinning been around a long time in the dogs to Quote
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