Thomass Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) Edited February 20, 2021 by Chief Stipe Thomas is technically illiterate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 We are all still waiting for you to tell us how to identify if they work BEFORE a horse races - not AFTER. Guess they Probabeel though as she never knows she is travelling 3 wide and getting a bad run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Also, I'm trying to find out whether white ones work better than black ones. Thommo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, curious said: Also, I'm trying to find out whether white ones work better than black ones. Thommo? Apparently they scare the other horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 Hey Geysers.... Just ask yaselves... Wtf does Jammie apply them on almost all his good neddys? Or don't you think he's a VERY good horseman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Apparently they scare the other horses. I don't think I want to scare the others in case they bolt. Someone just told me that the orange ones were the go? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 minute ago, curious said: I don't think I want to scare the others in case they bolt. Someone just told me that the orange ones were the go? Tangerine with a dash of blue seem to work really well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I was going to try turquoise and gold? Close enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, curious said: I was going to try turquoise and gold? Close enough? Depends on the age of the horse and whether it is spring or autumn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Tangerine with a dash of blue seem to work really well. The Garland of Flowers might scare the other runners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 Oh shit..it's not the strip making them oxygenise blood better is it? Oh na...look... The Blue Diamond winning Trainers are quite onto it evidently...who knew? Teaming up with the Freedmans: “They were tossing up whether to come here or wait and put him out to seven furlongs which is probably what he looked like he would thrive at after his Sandown win. I went down early in the week and trialled him at Balnarring and they decided to put the blinkers on him. They are tried and tested and know what they’re doing the whole team there and that’s why they produce good winners like they do.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 But you still didn't know BEFORE the race. Still didn't make the horse go faster and I imagine there were just as many cases yesterday where new gear didn't prove to a winning move. So will Enthaar have blinkers on next start? She seems to have a shyte load of head gear already. A guess a bit more might get her head down which I hear is good from stamina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Thomass said: They are tried and tested and know what they’re doing the whole team there and that’s why they produce good winners like they do.” Nothing to do with the abilities of the horses then? The team and the blinkers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: But you still didn't know BEFORE the race. Still didn't make the horse go faster and I imagine there were just as many cases yesterday where new gear didn't prove to a winning move. So will Enthaar have blinkers on next start? She seems to have a shyte load of head gear already. A guess a bit more might get her head down which I hear is good from stamina. Oh Lordy... Of course they knew...trialled in them...nek minute...brilliant sustained acceleration it'd never shown before...except in training...with BO... Stink for the others I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, curious said: Nothing to do with the abilities of the horses then? The team and the blinkers? Yep...I think this has been done to dearth.... But it goes like this..the team trialled the shades and found that it made the neddy faster... Concentration does wonderful things for speedier point a to point b transitions.... ...no wandering around smelling da roses... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Thomass said: But it goes like this..the team trialled the shades and found that it made the neddy faster... Bollocks. So a horse that can run 11 secs can suddenly run 10.5? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Bollocks. So a horse that can run 11 secs can suddenly run 10.5? I'm thinking the meaning is go a "little harder at the business end 'of the event. Like the Blue Diamond 2 year old did yesterday. with more forward focus , I do think a horse can pull out an extra 1/2 second late in a race, that you mention, (but possibly not that quick as what you said , more like an 11.5 instead of 12 second furlong? maybe. concentration is the Main thing, afterall MOST horse trainers can get them Physically fit to race, It's the astute mental training that wins the races IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Gammalite said: I'm thinking the meaning is go a "little harder at the business end 'of the event. Like the Blue Diamond 2 year old did yesterday. with more forward focus , I do think a horse can pull out an extra 1/2 second late in a race, that you mention, (but possibly not that quick as what you said , more like an 11.5 instead of 12 second furlong? maybe. concentration is the Main thing, afterall MOST horse trainers can get them Physically fit to race, It's the astute mental training that wins the races IMO. Are you suggesting that mental training and blinkers are the same or similar? Edited February 21, 2021 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 I'd put them on backwards if I thought it would help 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Which reminds me of one R.P ( Parkie) Register, who was thoroughly pissed off with one of his charges shying when going for a pre-work trot around the chute. Fixed him ! He crowed. He did put them on backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 9 hours ago, curious said: Are you suggesting that mental training and blinkers are the same or similar? Well I always used 1/2 blinds, (I called them CAN'T SEE BACKS) also used deafeners, hoods, lugging- poles, shadowrolls, headchecks, tongueties, cross over nose bands, any number of aids to keep horses straight and concentrating (therefore mentally trained). You need All the help you can get to win a race. blinkers were great because when a horse with one on , has another horse Loom Large outside (or inside) in the charge to the line , they 'usually' dig in and go a bit harder and run with that opponent, than what they otherwise would. ? very much mental training I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Well I always used 1/2 blinds, (I called them CAN'T SEE BACKS) also used deafeners, hoods, lugging- poles, shadowrolls, headchecks, tongueties, cross over nose bands, any number of aids to keep horses straight and concentrating (therefore mentally trained). You need All the help you can get to win a race. Maybe you should change who breaks your horses in or pre-trains them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, Gammalite said: blinkers were great because when a horse with one on , has another horse Loom Large outside (or inside) in the charge to the line , they 'usually' dig in and go a bit harder and run with that opponent, than what they otherwise would. ? very much mental training I think. Given your namesake 'Gammalite' I thought it was more productive to whip harder and longer. Maybe sit in the death seat and start whipping with a round to go! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Given your namesake 'Gammalite' I thought it was more productive to whip harder and longer. Maybe sit in the death seat and start whipping with a round to go! Hahaha yeah that sure is one horse that would of benefited from the Whip Change Rules !!! lol..... for sure lol. Tough bugger though, and a 'lot' of whip use resulted in 16 Group 1 wins. 18 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Maybe you should change who breaks your horses in or pre-trains them? IS Still PLENTY of gear on the harness horses these days Chief. Every race Winton, Cambridge anywhere...... It's spose to help with the concentration of your horse. Hardly any horse 'volunteer's' to Win without mental Training. Is An addition of Winkers to a thoroughbred bad ?? why? It seems so simple. Waterhouse does it often with her 'Front running Mental Training 'of many of her horses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Gammalite said: IS Still PLENTY of gear on the harness horses these days Chief. Every race Winton, Cambridge anywhere.. Doesn't mean it's right. In fact I would say it is a reflection of poor training and education. Plus a need to get earning money as soon as you can. Often a gear addition is to remedy a problem that hides another problem - a lugging/boring pole is a classic example. "If a plain pole doesn't work then put a pricker on it".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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