hunterthepunter Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 10 hours ago, the galah said: I don't always agree with mr fitzgeralds views,but there is no denying his passion for the industry,and he has combined that with his other skills, to promote and encourage participation,among other things. I think he is someone who deserves a lot ofcredit,and is just doing his best in a tough industry. Because he puts himself out there i suppose he just has to develop a thick skin and carry on the good work.. what I here is Andrew is good bloke . nothing wrong with getting new owners into harness racing is there? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 33 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: what I here is Andrew is good bloke . nothing wrong with getting new owners into harness racing is there? He must have cast an unknown spell on Blossom, one of lust and desire with a hint jealousy... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 12 hours ago, whiplash smile said: and what do you base that on? Richies assumptions? What assumptions? All I stated is fact,Motor Mouthwas punted early on.Johnny opened favourite but took no money,went out in betting then punted and moved in again.Then both horses late scratched by stewards.All fact no assumptions.Then i made a statement that i hope nothing in towards going on.No assumptions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 11 hours ago, AndrewFitzgerald said: Correct Whiplash. BlossomLady - Feel free to come up to me at the Trials/Workouts or Races and ask your questions face to face. I have no concerns over last year's 2 Yearlings. As you can understand; it wasn't a great year to try a new idea with Covid and the major supporter/funder having major cashflow issues due to Covid. In the end its all worked out okay and syndicate members are looking forward to their pacing colts debut this year. If reports are right then it could be an exciting ride 👍 if I could find a missus who was as obsessed with me and my life as you are Blossom then I'd probably have to marry her 😂 Are you stalking me too? If harness racing doesn't work out for you, you should become a politician! can I give you one bit of advice. Change the ownership of your horses. No change after a year looks suspicious. Some people might think you were doing a Mitch Kerr! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasyinblue Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, Blossom lady said: If harness racing doesn't work out for you, you should become a politician! can I give you one bit of advice. Change the ownership of your horses. No change after a year looks suspicious. Some people might think you were doing a Mitch Kerr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasyinblue Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Fantasyinblue said: Hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Blossom lady said: If harness racing doesn't work out for you, you should become a politician! Hi Bloss do you have a problem with this person and if so why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 12 hours ago, Derek said: Im told a prominent owner has instructed their trainer not to start any of their horses in a field where any of the suspected trainers have a horse entered ! Aside from the hearsay going on what you have said the so called "prominent owner" will have his horses permanently banned. What do you need to do to become a "prominent owner"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 11 hours ago, the galah said: I think inca has had a lot to do with that,maybe somewhat indirectly in some instances, What do you mean "somewhat indirectly"? Hasn't it ALL been collateral damage. I suppose you could say the game is "cleaner" - less people drinking alcohol and taking recreational drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Karrots said: Hi Bloss do you have a problem with this person and if so why? all politicians should be treated with caution the clear exception being our very attractive leader Edited February 25, 2021 by Rangatira 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, Noodlum said: What do you need to do to become a "prominent owner"? insanely deep pockets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, Rangatira said: all politicians should be treated with caution the clear exception being our very attractive leader You need to go to Specsavers, and bloody quick. One of the ugliest mares racing today for sure and certain 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Rangatira said: all politicians should be treated with caution the clear exception being our very attractive leader Hey Ranga 👋 How are you doing today? Who do you think will win or go close in any of the feature races tonight at Alex? Im looking forward to seeing how Spirit of St Lou goes. Seems like he isn't at his best & of course 1st start back. By the way Copy That sprinted past him at workout surprised me. I always thought he had a decent sprint on him. Hence think he just isn't quite how he was when he was at the top of his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasyinblue Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 *shudder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Karrots said: Hey Ranga 👋 How are you doing today? Who do you think will win or go close in any of the feature races tonight at Alex? Im looking forward to seeing how Spirit of St Lou goes. Seems like he isn't at his best & of course 1st start back. By the way Copy That sprinted past him at workout surprised me. I always thought he had a decent sprint on him. Hence think he just isn't quite how he was when he was at the top of his game. my money will be on trevs ribs Edited February 25, 2021 by Rangatira 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Fantasyinblue said: *shudder Is that you Forbs? Altho I did see in another thread of Basils that Forbs has gone. I thought he might re-appear again soon. Forbs? 😄 Just joking. Ranga - ok cool so we both be watching and hoping Spirit of St Lou goes well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, KickintheKods said: You need to go to Specsavers, and bloody quick. One of the ugliest mares racing today for sure and certain is that right brad pitt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewFitzgerald Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Blossom lady said: If harness racing doesn't work out for you, you should become a politician! can I give you one bit of advice. Change the ownership of your horses. No change after a year looks suspicious. Some people might think you were doing a Mitch Kerr! Funny you say that as I was thinking of getting into politics. But you'd have already known that as you seem to keep track of my movements 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 42 minutes ago, Rangatira said: my money will be on trevs ribs Cant beat them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, AndrewFitzgerald said: Funny you say that as I was thinking of getting into politics. But you'd have already known that as you seem to keep track of my movements 😂 Ohh Fitzy in with the wild herd. This time is pinning his ears back & giving a good nip back. Is Blossom Lady about to put the boot in again. Will Fitzy hold his ground again & give a decent kick back. Edited February 25, 2021 by Karrots 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Here we go again.... 32 min ago ALDEN WILLIAMS/STUFF Three horses trained by Jesse Alford were scratched on Thursday following an investigation into alleged doping. (File photo). Harness racing trainer caught in suspected horse doping scandal Sam Sherwood A harness racing trainer has been caught injecting a suspected performance enhancing drug into two horses, hours before they were due to take to the track. Racing Integrity Unit (RIU) investigators watched on as junior driver and trainer Jesse Alford administered a substance to the horses at his stables in Woodend Beach, North Canterbury on Thursday afternoon. They then raided his property, seizing syringes and other items of interest. Testing is under way to determine what the horses were injected with, but it is thought to be a banned substance. Three horses trained by Alford – Jimmy Cannon, Johnny Nevits and Motor Mouth – were late scratchings from races at Addington Raceway in Christchurch on Thursday evening. The young trainer is expected to face several charges related to breaches of harness racing rules, including administering a prohibited substance and attempting to administer a prohibited substance on a race day. The matter is also likely to be referred to police. Harness Racing NZ chief executive Gary Woodham said he had called a board meeting for Friday afternoon to decide whether to suspend or cancel Alford’s licence. “Clearly, [the RIU investigators] have uncovered something that we're not comfortable with,” he said. “I’d rather uncover it and deal with it than have it hidden behind the shrouds of secrecy. I have no time for people that are going to do this to animals.” It is the latest in a series of scandals to have hit the Canterbury harness racing industry, which in recent years has been plagued by allegations of race-fixing, doping and fraud. Racing Minister Grant Robertson said doping and race-fixing were “completely unacceptable” and that he was in the process of appointing an independent board for the newly-established Racing Integrity Board. “Our racing industry relies on horses being properly cared for and not subjected to doping or any other substance. “It’s also important that punters are betting on a fair race where the best riders and horses win. I have no tolerance for any attempt to distort this fairness through doping and race fixing.” Stuff understands the RIU’s covert investigation into Alford began after racing officials received information that suggested he was doping horses. Recent performances by horses he trained had raised eyebrows among some in the industry. It is understood investigators are also looking at irregular betting patterns associated with the three horses withdrawn from Thursday’s racing. Motor Mouth was initially paying $9 to win one of the races but at the time it was scratched it had fallen to $2.80, indicating large amounts of money had been bet on it. On Friday, RIU chief stipendiary steward Nick Ydgren confirmed “an investigation has been opened into the activities of trainer Jesse Alford, which were noticed at a stable inspection”. The horses were scratched under a harness racing rule “which relates to the administration or possible administration of a substance”. When approached by Stuff on Friday Alford, who has had eight wins in 39 starts since the beginning of the 2020 season, said “I wasn’t doping”. He declined to comment further about the allegations. Invercargill-based driver Archie Armour had shares in one of Alford's horses, Jimmy Cannon, for about three months but sold them earlier this year as it was not racing to expectations. Armour said the current allegations raised further questions about the industry. “I’m in it for a hobby, and it takes away the enjoyment factor.” Stablehand Scott Ramsay, who has been in the industry for six years and has brought up to 30 people into the sport through syndications, also had a share in Jimmy Cannon. With the industry struggling financially, Ramsay said the allegations blighted efforts to promote it to new fans and that he could not understand why people would try to dope horses. “If you play with fire you're going to get burnt eventually,” he said. “You’d like to think it's a nice, even level playing field out there, and it’s purely the trainer’s and the horse’s ability.” John Hawkins Mitchell Kerr with Bettor Pay Me at Makarewa in 2014. The harness racing industry has had its reputation tarnished by a number of recent scandals. In 2018, at least 12 people were arrested as part of Operation Inca, a 17-month investigation into harness race-fixing and drug offending. While some charges have since been dismissed, a number of defendants are awaiting trial. Stuff has since revealed the RIU was investigating allegations that promising harness racing trainer Mitchell Kerr over-syndicated horses and charged for non-existent insurance policies. Kerr is said to have cheated an All Black, a Black Cap and several wealthy businessmen in his scam, and is though to have lost nearly $1 million through an Australian betting agency. Kerr handed in his training and driver’s licence to Harness Racing New Zealand in November, citing “mental health” as the reason for the break. By then the now 29-year-old star had 87 wins to his credit and had won nearly $900,000 in stake money in a three-year solo training career. Stuff Nigel Raymond McGrath at the Christchurch courts in 2010 to face a race-fixing charge. It was eventually dismissed. Police are waiting for the RIU to finish its investigation before deciding whether to launch their own inquiry. In July last year, prominent Canterbury harness racing identity Nigel McGrath was disqualified from holding a training licence for eight years after attempting to dope horses. McGrath, who had trained for 20 years and had 570 wins worth $6 million in stake money for his horses’ owners, admitted three charges laid by the RIU, though he disputed the facts on two of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: With the industry struggling financially, Ramsay said the allegations blighted efforts to promote it to new fans and that he could not understand why people would try to dope horses. “If you play with fire you're going to get burnt eventually,” he said. “You’d like to think it's a nice, even level playing field out there, and it’s purely the trainer’s and the horse’s ability.” I agree with this Ramsay in that I don't get it. Why do people want to do this, if this is the case. Doping or whatever it is that maybe going on 😟 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasyinblue Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I’m sick of this happening in HR. This little fag should get banned for life (and anyone who supports him) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 39 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Motor Mouth was initially paying $9 to win one of the races but at the time it was scratched it had fallen to $2.80, indicating large amounts of money had been bet on it. lol @ sam sherwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasyinblue Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 The other one was steady at 3’s then made a move and MM went out. Skidaddle last week was smashed in and went awful - that’s what happens when you play around - poor bloody horses 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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