Rangatira Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Harewood said: On this occasion so the whisper goes they were even more devious and greedy. The money was put on Motor Mouth early to drop the price and seem to others that this was the one they were having a go with. The money was then cashed out and placed on the stablemate Johnny Nevits at the inflated price, hence it dropping in late. true but those involved in this amateurish attempt must have forgotten the bookies don't drift horses early just because moneys comes for others 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, Harewood said: On this occasion so the whisper goes they were even more devious and greedy. The money was put on Motor Mouth early to drop the price and seem to others that this was the one they were having a go with. The money was then cashed out and placed on the stablemate Johnny Nevits at the inflated price, hence it dropping in late. A very cunning plan to deceive the punter and if this is correct there is no place for Alford in harnes racing, EVER. There's some fundamental flaws in this and highly doubtful the truth. If it is true it wasn't a particularly smart way of punting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Harewood said: On this occasion so the whisper goes they were even more devious and greedy. The money was put on Motor Mouth early to drop the price and seem to others that this was the one they were having a go with. The money was then cashed out and placed on the stablemate Johnny Nevits at the inflated price, hence it dropping in late. A very cunning plan to deceive the punter and if this is correct there is no place for Alford in harnes racing, EVER. I’d put my $1 each way on this version being accurate or somewhat accurate, simply as Harewood was 100% correct on allegations re Kerr. Dougie would be able to verify this also. Of course bearing in mind, this is a different account & different allegations. So guess we wait & see. Edited February 27, 2021 by Karrots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: There's some fundamental flaws in this and highly doubtful the truth. If it is true it wasn't a particularly smart way of punting. It is improbable but could be true. It may not have been smart but cheating crooks like Alford think they are smarter than everyone else so you never know. We will probably never know the whole story but at least on this occasion they came a cropper. If testing shows illegal drugs involved Alford should be gone for life. Good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, Davis said: If testing shows illegal drugs involved Alford should be gone for life And if there isn't? Which is a possibility given that up to that date none of his horses had thrown a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Karrots said: Simply as Harewood was 100% correct on allegation Kerr. Dougie would be able to verify this also. Oh and Happy too. Wondering if Motor Mouth was named after Karrots. Edited February 27, 2021 by Karrots 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: And if there isn't? Which is a possibility given that up to that date none of his horses had thrown a positive. Injecting a horse on the day of a race is of course illegal, so even if the substance injected is ok,then the act of injecting is in itself wrong. I think most are looking at this,and other similar recent cases upside down when they refer to the level of dishonesty currently being exposed. The reality is ,until recently, it has always been ignored,swept under the carpet,and in many ways enabled by some racing administrators and by those in the racing media who have attacked those who had dare suggest anything like this was going on,or attack those at the riu who dared try and expose light on illegal practices. Just read the harnesslink articles written by the likes of John curtin from a year or two back to see what i mean. What is being exposed now hasn't all of a sudden just happened. Surely no one with any sense thinks that. Instead of being shocked and disappointed,the focus should be one of positivity around the new norm,which is illegal practices will be investigated,and the sport is being cleaned up. Everyone should gain confidence because of that. Another point which i think is important. Before we judge too harshly those who have transgressed,the likes of Alford, we should add perspective. Its not their fault that they may have witnessed,or heard talk around similar illegal practices. I know everyone is accountable for their own actions,but it would have helped had the transgressors had a more realistic view of how accountability has changed at this present time,and how it would impact their lives. Edited February 27, 2021 by the galah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, the galah said: Injecting a horse on the day of a race is of course illegal, so even if the substance injected is ok,then the act of injecting is in itself wrong. Yes I know that but there is a big difference between injecting Vitamins and a performance enhancing substance. Of course none of this should excuse the RIU from their involvement in the debacle that has been INCA. If anything this Allford case highlights the fact that they didn't actually need Police involvement or all the other subterfuge that was used in INCA. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Karrots said: Oh and Happy too. Wondering if Motor Mouth was named after Karrots. Oh yeah, sorry Harewood, oppsey daisey. I know you said don't tell anyone. Just Dougie & Happy, didn't know Gamms at that time to tell him. Isn't that what happens don't tell anyone, then tell 1 person or in this case 2 & so on & so on. But at least we all kept it private. Anyway nite all from Motormouth Karrots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 12 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Any speculation on what could have been injected in those horses that would have been undetectable after the race? Vitamin B? Word that has been around for awhile is that they have been injecting embalming fluid. I have no idea if this was the case here but see that Neil Bennett has put that up on his Facebook page that this was what it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 26 minutes ago, Blossom lady said: Word that has been around for awhile is that they have been injecting embalming fluid. I have no idea if this was the case here but see that Neil Bennett has put that up on his Facebook page that this was what it was. To be specific you mean formaldehyde. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Formaldehyde is easily detected as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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