Whole Stable locked up by Stewards

[Gammalite]

An interesting story is that for most of this month the 10 horse barn of Jason Grimson and Jack Trainor was moved to the 'Retention Centre" under surveillance of stewards.

Trainor (from Dunedin) used to help Dexter and Cran, then worked 5 years at Blake Fitzpatrick at Menangle, now took out a trainers licence late last year.

Grimson and Trainor results and 'Improvement in horses' has gone so extreme, the suspicious stewards actually locked down their barn to see what they were doing.???

Can they do that ? is like you're guilty of something so off to the holding cell you go. No charges laid? quite extroadinary.!!!

The boys are onto Something good !!!, that's for sure. 

Tonight SPELLBOUND for Nathn Purdon in a group3 mares race Menangle is up against the THE STUNNING NUN .The 'Nun' left NZ 2 years ago after some handy Akld form for Young, and has nice placings for 2 years in North Vic country.  but has 'exploded' in 2 months in the Lock -up, 4 wins including 1.49.7 last beating or flogging  McCarthy multiple Group winning 'Bettor Enforce' (who is a chance in the Redcliffe Cup tonight against Colt Thirty One). 

MIGHTY FLING ART (from southland) HIDDEN COURAGE , and generally the whole Grimson/ Trainor Team Barn is 'flying high' . quite sensational improvement.

Well done them I spose???, stewards can't  work it out , and the barn has 8 in tonight at Menangle. Poor 'Spellbound' looks to be in for quite a 'fright'.

 

 

[Gammalite]

26 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Poor 'Spellbound' looks to be in for quite a 'fright'.

Here's the field tonight for Spellbound. I am absolutely staggered with not just the improvement in the THE STUNNING NUN , forced a couple to chicken out too,  by the look of it.? lol. 

like the stablemate RUBIES FOR TASH (a handy 1.53 mare with 5 wins in 23 at Brisbane over past year  ) has gone to Grimson/Trainor bit over 2 months ago , and proceded to now beat home FreeFor Aller's Alta Orlando, Star Galleria , etc ????? 

How is that possible?

Last start 'Ruby' started FAV,???? in the time-honoured Treuer Memorial. which is now unfortunately reduced a Group2 event, with a sign of the times of harness racing, but used to be a GRAND circuit event!! , won by Village Kid, Westburn Grant, Black's A Fake etc. 

so from midweek Albions to fav in Group2 's in 2 months. extroadinary . 

 

1	30s31	SWEET JEMMA NZ	Brad Hewitt		David Hewitt		NR63	FR1	$41.00
2	21111	THE STUNNING NUN NZ	Jason Grimson		Jack Trainor		NR91	FR2	$2.25
3	s1112	SPELLBOUND NZ	Nathan Purdon		Ashley Hart (C)		NR93	FR3	$6.50
4	35479	MAKE MINE HEAVEN	Bernie Hewitt		SCRATCHED		NR102	SCR
5	61622	ROCKNROLL ANGEL	Jason Grimson		Cameron Hart (C)		NR103	FR4	$4.00
6	12215	RUBIES FOR TASH	Jason Grimson		Jack Callaghan (C)		NR120	FR5	$3.00
7	4116s	OUR PRINCESS TIFFANY NZ	Dean Braun		SCRATCHED		NR120	SCR

[Unhinged]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Here's the field tonight for Spellbound. I am absolutely staggered with not just the improvement in the THE STUNNING NUN , forced a couple to chicken out too,  by the look of it.? lol. 

like the stablemate RUBIES FOR TASH (a handy 1.53 mare with 5 wins in 23 at Brisbane over past year  ) has gone to Grimson/Trainor bit over 2 months ago , and proceded to now beat home FreeFor Aller's Alta Orlando, Star Galleria , etc ????? 

How is that possible?

Last start 'Ruby' started FAV,???? in the time-honoured Treuer Memorial. which is now unfortunately reduced a Group2 event, with a sign of the times of harness racing, but used to be a GRAND circuit event!! , won by Village Kid, Westburn Grant, Black's A Fake etc. 

so from midweek Albions to fav in Group2 's in 2 months. extroadinary . 

 

1	30s31	SWEET JEMMA NZ	Brad Hewitt		David Hewitt		NR63	FR1	$41.00
2	21111	THE STUNNING NUN NZ	Jason Grimson		Jack Trainor		NR91	FR2	$2.25
3	s1112	SPELLBOUND NZ	Nathan Purdon		Ashley Hart (C)		NR93	FR3	$6.50
4	35479	MAKE MINE HEAVEN	Bernie Hewitt		SCRATCHED		NR102	SCR
5	61622	ROCKNROLL ANGEL	Jason Grimson		Cameron Hart (C)		NR103	FR4	$4.00
6	12215	RUBIES FOR TASH	Jason Grimson		Jack Callaghan (C)		NR120	FR5	$3.00
7	4116s	OUR PRINCESS TIFFANY NZ	Dean Braun		SCRATCHED		NR120	SCR

 

[Unhinged]

Just now, Unhinged said:

 

Seriously thought we would be second favorite 

[Gammalite]

7 minutes ago, Unhinged said:

Seriously thought we would be second favorite 

She's a big chance still. But you would think with 3 stable-mates against her, with plans A,B,and C ready to be played, Spellbound is up against it.

AND the dramatic form increase of Grimson/Trainor lately. and lack of McCarthy will allow them to 'dictate'.

Best of luck though !! I think she can still pull it off. It's a 30k Group3 . com'on Spellbound !! have always loved Purdons getting something. Nathan's turn to shine !

[Unhinged]

5 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

She's a big chance still. But you would think with 3 stable-mates against her, with plans A,B,and C ready to be played, Spellbound is up against it.

AND the dramatic form increase of Grimson/Trainor lately. and lack of McCarthy will allow them to 'dictate'.

Best of luck though !! I think she can still pull it off. It's a 30k Group3 . com'on Spellbound !! have always loved Purdons getting something. Nathan's turn to shine !

Hope your right,Nathan is very happy with her but did say she will improve with the run, did say the same when first up.

[Taupiri Wonder]

2 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Here's the field tonight for Spellbound. I am absolutely staggered with not just the improvement in the THE STUNNING NUN , forced a couple to chicken out too,  by the look of it.? lol. 

1	30s31	SWEET JEMMA NZ	Brad Hewitt		David Hewitt		NR63	FR1	$41.00
2	21111	THE STUNNING NUN NZ	Jason Grimson		Jack Trainor		NR91	FR2	$2.25
3	s1112	SPELLBOUND NZ	Nathan Purdon		Ashley Hart (C)		NR93	FR3	$6.50
5	61622	ROCKNROLL ANGEL	Jason Grimson		Cameron Hart (C)		NR103	FR4	$4.00
6	12215	RUBIES FOR TASH	Jason Grimson		Jack Callaghan (C)		NR120	FR5	$3.00

Gamms,so now The Formidable Grimson Team only faces 2 rivals tonight!!!

Best wishes to Unhinged/Spellbound.They will certainly need a top drive to triumph.

I was unaware until reading here about Grimson/Trainor Team @ Retention Centre.

Earlier this year I found daily items in my news feed from www.peterprofit.com.(these have since stopped,only available by subscription)

He was totally on to the remarkable results/improvements in horses being transferred into this stable.

Often aged horses with hitherto ordinary career records,suddenly running personal best mile rates by several seconds.

Like you mention,Extraordinary!!!

 

[Jones]

 

5 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Here's the field tonight for Spellbound. I am absolutely staggered with not just the improvement in the THE STUNNING NUN , forced a couple to chicken out too,  by the look of it.? lol. 

Wait, there are only 4 horses in the race. 

3 against 1 oh no. Captivated to watch now. 

Go Spellbound!

Edited June 26, 2021 by Jones

[Unhinged]

16 minutes ago, Jones said:

 

Wait, there are only 4 horses in the race. 

3 against 1 oh no. Captivated to watch now. 

Go Spellbound!

Going to be harder to box us in

[Gammalite]

2 hours ago, Jones said:

 

Wait, there are only 4 horses in the race. 

3 against 1 oh no. Captivated to watch now. 

Go Spellbound!

Greater Sydney forced into a 2 week lock-down at 6 o'clock tonight with 80 people with flu. . so a heap of horses had to late scratch. so now Only 3 Grimson/Trainor horses v Spellbound ....... 

SHE DID it !!!! well done Spellbound for Nathan Purdon and driver Ashley Hart !!!!   1.50.2 !!!  

53.2 last half mile and roared past the three stablemates. wow wee.

Young Ashley wins the Group3 and beats her brother Cam (who wins heaps of races) back into 3rd place. 

. paid $6.30 on the aussie totes !!  wahoo   ....look out Amazing Dream in Brisbane soon? lol........

[Unhinged]

9 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Greater Sydney forced into a 2 week lock-down at 6 o'clock tonight with 80 people with flu. . so a heap of horses had to late scratch. so now Only 3 Grimson/Trainor horses v Spellbound ....... 

SHE DID it !!!! well done Spellbound for Nathan Purdon and driver Ashley Hart !!!!   1.50.2 !!!  

53.2 last half mile and roared past the three stablemates. wow wee.

Young Ashley wins the Group3 and beats her brother Cam (who wins heaps of races) back into 3rd place. 

. paid $6.30 on the aussie totes !!  wahoo   ....look out Amazing Dream in Brisbane soon? lol........

Really pleased for Nathan, Mikayla and our driver Ash.Great advise from Johnny to send her to them.

[Jones]

Well I have just had to watch the replay, as thought race was on at NZ time 9.50pm now. Not sure how I muddled that up ... Had set alarm specially too to watch. Boo hoo, didn't get to see the great win as it happened. 

Congrats to all connections 😄

[Unhinged]

8 minutes ago, Jones said:

Well I have just had to watch the replay, as thought race was on at NZ time 9.50pm now. Not sure how I muddled that up ... Had set alarm specially too to watch. Boo hoo, didn't get to see the great win as it happened. 

Congrats to all connections 😄

I was lucky enough to be on right channel   they canceled one race and went early 

[Jones]

10 hours ago, Unhinged said:

 they canceled one race and went early 

That was a bit sneaky of them lol. Running the race when I wasn't ready with chair-leader pom-poms out. 

Be interesting to see how far she goes in Oz, if she can get a Group 2 or even an elusive Group 1 over there. Ya just never know.

Taking a look at her resume, she was quite the 2 y-o. Winning, 2 Group 3's & then placing 2nd Group 1 at Jewels behind Sweet on Me. 

Will keep an eye out for her 👀😄

 

 

Edited June 26, 2021 by Jones

[Gammalite]

The Stewards will be still scratching their heads.? just share another example to finish this story.

The ex-pat kiwi Jack TRAINOR had 6 horses in at Menangle last night.

Only ONE horse on the night , beat any of those 6 home. Grand old FFAer 'Double Encounter' beating 2 of Jack's back into 2nd and 3rd in a sizzling 1.50.7 mile. Otherwise he had the THREE winners (with a Quinella one race) to continue the amazing stable form. quite brilliant.

GRIMSON from the same 'Barn' (pretty much a training partner of Trainor) had  placegetters too. chasing home the brilliant Spellbound in 1.50.1. with his 3 horses....very quick.

The 'funny bit' I like is, after heaps of placings behind his many Stablemates at the McCarthy/ Craig Cross 'Super best in OZ stable' last year , the horse POCKET OF TERROR has left that barn to join Trainor recently , and the young bloke WON Last night with him , and was knocking off McCarthy horses 'Cup class' ex-new zealanders CASH AND FLOW and STAR GALLARIA!!. crazy times.

so the McCarthy super-stable is being knocked off by their outcast 'old' horses now? !! extroadinary.!...lol.

P.S  In fairness to kiwi Cross/McCarthy stable, they did train Pocket of Terror to 6 wins from 30 starts last year, often chasing home his many stable-mates too. so not too shabby.

[paleface adios]

On 6/27/2021 at 12:16 PM, Gammalite said:

The Stewards will be still scratching their heads.? just share another example to finish this story.

The ex-pat kiwi Jack TRAINOR had 6 horses in at Menangle last night.

Only ONE horse on the night , beat any of those 6 home. Grand old FFAer 'Double Encounter' beating 2 of Jack's back into 2nd and 3rd in a sizzling 1.50.7 mile. Otherwise he had the THREE winners (with a Quinella one race) to continue the amazing stable form. quite brilliant.

GRIMSON from the same 'Barn' (pretty much a training partner of Trainor) had  placegetters too. chasing home the brilliant Spellbound in 1.50.1. with his 3 horses....very quick.

The 'funny bit' I like is, after heaps of placings behind his many Stablemates at the McCarthy/ Craig Cross 'Super best in OZ stable' last year , the horse POCKET OF TERROR has left that barn to join Trainor recently , and the young bloke WON Last night with him , and was knocking off McCarthy horses 'Cup class' ex-new zealanders CASH AND FLOW and STAR GALLARIA!!. crazy times.

so the McCarthy super-stable is being knocked off by their outcast 'old' horses now? !! extroadinary.!...lol.

P.S  In fairness to kiwi Cross/McCarthy stable, they did train Pocket of Terror to 6 wins from 30 starts last year, often chasing home his many stable-mates too. so not too shabby.

why not put gammalites favourite stable in full lockdown and see what the results would be 

[Gammalite]

3 hours ago, paleface adios said:

why not put gammalites favourite stable in full lockdown and see what the results would be 

Hahaha yeah Grant Dixon needs to get rid of some slow-ones. Qld probably in FULL lock-down next week lol

No I know who you mean. Don't forget the success with Black'sA Fake. Nat's no flash in the pan ya know.lol. 

That retention barn used for 2 days (pre-post 48 hours for all MIRACLE MILE ) runners compulsory , (because race worth $1mill)  and will be used for the Interdominion GF runners at Menangle in the Spring-time too.

I think it's a great idea.!!! stops any form of raceday eve/ or raceday dodgey treatments /temptations and keeps the great races as clean as whistle. No one accused of cheating. excellent.  

Spankem passed it (the Barn) ok , and went 1.47 still 2 years ago ??  All good with All Stars . no probs.

[the galah]

15 hours ago, Gammalite said:

 

That retention barn used for 2 days (pre-post 48 hours for all MIRACLE MILE ) runners compulsory , (because race worth $1mill)  and will be used for the Interdominion GF runners at Menangle in the Spring-time too.

I think it's a great idea.!!! stops any form of raceday eve/ or raceday dodgey treatments /temptations and keeps the great races as clean as whistle. No one accused of cheating. excellent.  

Spankem passed it (the Barn) ok , and went 1.47 still 2 years ago ??  All good with All Stars . no probs.

Do you really believe that putting horses in a retention barn stops for 48 hours stops the use of performance enhancers? 

Maybe go look up how they increase the red cells of racehorses with performance enhancing treatment and the time frames around that,and  you will realise the 48 hour retention barn seems ineffective and just for appearances. 

Edited June 29, 2021 by the galah

[the galah]

5 minutes ago, the galah said:

Do you really believe that putting horses in a retention barn for 48 hours stops the use of performance enhancers? 

Maybe go look up how they increase the red cells of racehorses with performance enhancing treatment and the time frames around that,and  you will realise the 48 hour retention barn seems ineffective and just for appearances. 

 

[the galah]

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[Gammalite]

38 minutes ago, the galah said:

Do you really believe that putting horses in a retention barn stops for 48 hours stops the use of performance enhancers? 

Maybe go look up how they increase the red cells of racehorses with performance enhancing treatment and the time frames around that,and  you will realise the 48 hour retention barn seems ineffective and just for appearances. 

sorry Galah , you are wrong with this . Most horse aids/treatments , (EXAMPLE like Mr Alford, McGrath and others using milkshakes over the years), and many injectibles are given race-day or day before , so to actually be EFFECTIVE>  i.e help you win the race.

otherwise NO POINT using them .lol......

Strong administrations , that are working Longer-Term, like you want, EXAMPLE steroids, are swabable, as in the system extended periods , and you really run the Gauntlet of Excess substance in the blood/ urine testing. Not recommended. 

Retention Barn has been great at Not only preventing 'raceday' administration , but prevents Accusations of such as well !!!!brilliant. 

 

[Chief Stipe]

58 minutes ago, the galah said:

Do you really believe that putting horses in a retention barn stops for 48 hours stops the use of performance enhancers? 

Maybe go look up how they increase the red cells of racehorses with performance enhancing treatment and the time frames around that,and  you will realise the 48 hour retention barn seems ineffective and just for appearances. 

48 hours of close supervision, blood sampling on entry to the retention barn PLUS post race swabbing would identify any drug based performance enhancers.

Your reference to "red cells of racehorses" infers "blood doping".  Which particular techniques are you referring to?  If you are referring to EPO then it would be impossible to administer without detection.

[paleface adios]

17 hours ago, Gammalite said:

 

Spankem passed it (the Barn) ok , and went 1.47 still 2 years ago ??  All good with All Stars . no probs.

gammalite how did lazrus go in the barn? I was on course that night what donkey could not keep up with the field and ran bad last . year before adore me was a withdrawal from miracle mile as it was going to have a retention barn so was put in the ladyship stake instead lol . what happened at the trials at Menangle and trainer got fined for ? of is your memory failing lol

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Gammalite said:

sorry Galah , you are wrong with this . Most horse aids/treatments , (EXAMPLE like Mr Alford, McGrath and others using milkshakes over the years), and many injectibles are given race-day or day before , so to actually be EFFECTIVE>  i.e help you win the race.

otherwise NO POINT using them .lol......

Strong administrations , that are working Longer-Term, like you want, EXAMPLE steroids, are swabable, as in the system extended periods , and you really run the Gauntlet of Excess substance in the blood/ urine testing. Not recommended. 

Retention Barn has been great at Not only preventing 'raceday' administration , but prevents Accusations of such as well !!!!brilliant. 

 

You refer to alford,mcgrath in this response.I would call their methods as the cheap mans way of using performance enhancers.

But thats not who you referred to in the reply i responded to though. I was responding to your comment about spankem and the all stars.

The chief assures me that the use of blood doping is easily detectable. Well thats great news if its true,but from what i've read its not true.

I'm no expert,but do read the paulick report from the usa which tends to give you the  most credible reporting on this subject and quotes experts in the detection of performance enhancers.

Now,as i've said in my first reply,have you (or the chief) read the timeframes around treatments given to increase red cell content.And have you read what other treatments go with that and how regular the blood is monitored while red cell numbers are being increased. If you had,you would see that a 48 hour barn retention would NOT stop the administration of performance enhancers that were effective and given prior to the 48 hour period. 

[Gammalite]

28 minutes ago, paleface adios said:

gammalite how did lazrus go in the barn? I was on course that night what donkey could not keep up with the field and ran bad last . year before adore me was a withdrawal from miracle mile as it was going to have a retention barn so was put in the ladyship stake instead lol . what happened at the trials at Menangle and trainer got fined for ? of is your memory failing lol

geeeeez , you are a hard bugger Paleface. Fancy calling LAZARUS a donkey..... nearly the best ever.

Before Lazarus had his last start ever in Australia in that 2018 Miracle Mile , he had NOT missed a place in Australia in 15 starts which included 6 x Group 1 Wins including Hunter Cup and Perth Interdominion.... superb !!

The fastest times he (Lazarus) ran in Australia were the 1.49 in the 2017 Miracle Mile when 3rd??? and Chariots of fire WIN the year before.

Perhaps the retention barn 'NOT in Action' with Allstars 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the 2017 Miracle Mile??

The 2018 Miracle Mile was won by Butts(My Field Marshall) in 1.46.9 ?????  wow. low level flying !!!!! The very best Aussie of recent years TIGER TARA was 4 lengths back from winner struggling 4th as well. Lazarus best was 1.49 here, here's the excuse...........................

They went TOO FAST for them mate!!!!, you were there , you saw it ? Can't win All the time mate. He couldn't go that fast ? please forgive him one bad run for Christ sake. nothing to do with treatments. Even if YOU suggest it is to do with treatments, that just shows the 'Retention Barn' is working ?????  brilliant still?

Have no idea what happens at Menangle trials. never been there. can't answer your question. can you????