Newmarket Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Copy That won real good at Albion Park tonight, came from well back to swamp them close to home, typical well timed run from Anthony Butt. Shame to see Spankem toss it in so easily, while Turn It Up, a shadow of his old self. Do not think many Aussie trainers will be keen to buy ex Purdon runners anymore, there is a list of good horses sent, that race very average there. Mind you, I suppose many will come up with reasons why, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Copy That won real good at Albion Park tonight, came from well back to swamp them close to home, typical well timed run from Anthony Butt. Shame to see Spankem toss it in so easily, while Turn It Up, a shadow of his old self. Do not think many Aussie trainers will be keen to buy ex Purdon runners anymore, there is a list of good horses sent, that race very average there. Mind you, I suppose many will come up with reasons why, Yes a good win by copy that. I wonder about the strength of that field,and thought the win by copy that may have looked impressive due to that fact. As you've mentioned,and we have pointed out before,spankem just doesn't have the run forever look about him over there at the moment,and it was a surprise to see him favorite. What about the fella that drove turn it up(s graham),It was really a dumb as drive. Don't know too much about him,but when your going very easily in the 1/1 with 300m to go and someone moves up outside you, well you pull out and give your horse a chance.He was in the right position to win,and went to the line hard held.You would think he wasn't trying,except the race was worth $76,000. I also watched bob butt quite happy to sit in the trail behind the $122 rank outsider instead of taking the lead,a decision which cost him any win chance,but Pink galahs was quite dominant anyway. I didn't use to watch albion park,but did think tonights racing was entertaining,and overall they seem to have some good drivers over there. Edited July 3, 2021 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, the galah said: Yes a good win by copy that. I wonder about the strength of that field,and thought the win by copy that may have looked more impressive due to that fact. As you've mentioned,and we have pointed out before,spankem just doesn't have the run forever look about him over there at the moment,and it was a surprise to see him favorite. What about the fella that drove turn it up(s graham),It was really a dumb as drive. Don't know too much about him,but when your going very easily in the 1/1 with 300m to go and someone moves up, well you pull out and give your horse a chance.He was in the right position to win,and you would think he wasn't trying,except the race was worth $76,000. I also watched bob butt quite happy to sit behind the $122 rank outsider,a decision which cost him any win chance,but Pink galahs was quite dominant anyway. I didn't use to watch albion park,but did think tonights racing was entertaining,and overall they seem to have some good drivers over there. Shane Graham was much more aggresive with kiwi ITALIAN LAD (leading from 7 alley) ant then ran 2nd to McCarthy's $1.50 shot. ex kiwi Spirit of St LOUIS. Shane has 2750 career wins so knows what he's doing ok mostly (16% win rate to drives total) exactly the same strike rate over time, as the leaders Grant Dixon and Pete Mcmullen . yeah 'Turn It Up' was an error I think. Italian Lad Looked a pretty good run to me, 5 lengths clear of 3rd. an ex purdon horse. reckon Aussies like em" ok. Princess Tiffany some Group 1 's this year too. Can't improve horses on Allstars anyway, is impossible, so what is Newmarket dribbling about ???? would be like trying to get a galloper to do more after being at Chris Wallers ? no chance hehehe SEE the trusty Gammalite fav's of beautiful young trotter PINK GALAH's and mighty EXPENSIVE EGO (1.52 parked out , and quicker than Copy That) Both win Super Impressively tonight !! magic stuff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 AMERICAN DEALER closed in late in the last race at Brisbane for a good 2nd. So kiwi trainer Ray Green just misses the double. he went quite nicely. TEAM 'McCarthy' 12 Starters for 6 Wins, 3 seconds, 2 thirds , and one unplaced (sack that one ? lol...) The SuperStable once again in fine form. !! ***only 2nd (Balraj) to the great win of COPY THAT though. They won a trotting heat of our Qld trotting championship HUMBLE LADD , a 'Williamson' trotter until recently. double GROUP 1 winner 'Pink Galah's' won the 2nd Heat for the trotters easily. To give him a shout, and For a Laugh I added up the best Qld trotter handicaps, who ran 2nd to Pink Galahs, OUR OVERANOVA. He is kiwibred and last raced there 2013 !! now 12 years old and posted 63 wins from 198 starts. He has started off 40m handicap or longer in 84 of those starts !!!! astonishing to be so competitive chasing from the back, all the time. His total handicaps add up to over 5000m (or 5 kilometres) of handicaps !!!!! ....... lol...... many off 50 and 60 m behind. I know QLD opposition pretty tame, but what a great old timer , all the same to do that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 8 hours ago, Gammalite said: AMERICAN DEALER closed in late in the last race at Brisbane for a good 2nd. So kiwi trainer Ray Green just misses the double. he went quite nicely. TEAM 'McCarthy' 12 Starters for 6 Wins, 3 seconds, 2 thirds , and one unplaced (sack that one ? lol...) The SuperStable once again in fine form. !! ***only 2nd (Balraj) to the great win of COPY THAT though. They won a trotting heat of our Qld trotting championship HUMBLE LADD , a 'Williamson' trotter until recently. double GROUP 1 winner 'Pink Galah's' won the 2nd Heat for the trotters easily. To give him a shout, and For a Laugh I added up the best Qld trotter handicaps, who ran 2nd to Pink Galahs, OUR OVERANOVA. He is kiwibred and last raced there 2013 !! now 12 years old and posted 63 wins from 198 starts. He has started off 40m handicap or longer in 84 of those starts !!!! astonishing to be so competitive chasing from the back, all the time. His total handicaps add up to over 5000m (or 5 kilometres) of handicaps !!!!! ....... lol...... many off 50 and 60 m behind. I know QLD opposition pretty tame, but what a great old timer , all the same to do that. Some crazy prices last night too, how on earth did Copy That get out to $9 and I got Humble Ladd at $6.50 on thursday-- great win first up over 2647m for 3 months after coming from NZ and no trial either that I could find, yes easy win by Pick Galahs but Humble Ladd ran 3 seconds quicker and sat parked for quite a bit of the race too. I did have a bet on Gold Chain and Bob Butt learnt the hard way getting behind a slow QLD trotter who faded badly, I thought he'd lead and not hand up but still a good run first up in QLD. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Bob butts drive on gold chain wins the all time dumb and stupid drive award at Albion park.what has happened to spankem and turn it up.we all know mark Purdon is known as a drug cheat.... ......... ....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 10 hours ago, Gammalite said: AMERICAN DEALER closed in late in the last race at Brisbane for a good 2nd. So kiwi trainer Ray Green just misses the double. he went quite nicely. TEAM 'McCarthy' 12 Starters for 6 Wins, 3 seconds, 2 thirds , and one unplaced (sack that one ? lol...) The SuperStable once again in fine form. !! ***only 2nd (Balraj) to the great win of COPY THAT though. They won a trotting heat of our Qld trotting championship HUMBLE LADD , a 'Williamson' trotter until recently. double GROUP 1 winner 'Pink Galah's' won the 2nd Heat for the trotters easily. To give him a shout, and For a Laugh I added up the best Qld trotter handicaps, who ran 2nd to Pink Galahs, OUR OVERANOVA. He is kiwibred and last raced there 2013 !! now 12 years old and posted 63 wins from 198 starts. He has started off 40m handicap or longer in 84 of those starts !!!! astonishing to be so competitive chasing from the back, all the time. His total handicaps add up to over 5000m (or 5 kilometres) of handicaps !!!!! ....... lol...... many off 50 and 60 m behind. I know QLD opposition pretty tame, but what a great old timer , all the same to do that. American dealer went a nice race.Looked like he lacks a bit of high speed, and probably needs inside draws in the future. Earlier in the season he looked to be about our 3rd best 3year old,but would have gone down the rankings on recent performances i think. dougie backing humble ladd at $6.50,seemed a great price,so well done there. His best form over here was at addington,and several times he never quite seemed 100% comfortable on smaller tracks,but his natural ability seemed to be a bit too much for last nights opposition.The final of that race will be interesting as pink galahs was impressive. Having the best name a big help. Do the drivers over there drive in their own colours? I noticed p mcmullen always seemed to have the same colours on,but in the big pacing race you had a couple of stablemates with the same colours. How does it work over there. That overanova has an amazing record.Horses over there seemed to have more race starts than they do here.Also seem to have earned more. What do you put that down to. Is it because they have a greater pool of horses. Is the handicapping system really good.Is it the warmer weather? Is it because they race over shorter distances. Do they not train them as hard? What do you think? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 55 minutes ago, Forbury said: Bob butts drive on gold chain wins the all time dumb and stupid drive award at Albion park.what has happened to spankem and turn it up.we all know mark Purdon is known as a drug cheat.... ......... ....... You obviously didn't watch Turn It Up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 3, 2021 Author Share Posted July 3, 2021 The Ex NZ horses racing in Aus at the moment, are going huge. That is great for NZ owners, trainers and breeders, aussies will buy, and for good money. But come, horses coming from ex purdon stable, who would buy them. Even Chief might wonder🤭 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Forbury said: Bob butts drive on gold chain wins the all time dumb and stupid drive award at Albion park.what has happened to spankem and turn it up.we all know mark Purdon is known as a drug cheat.... ......... ....... I'm not sure why bob butts not driving as well as he once used to. Maybe its a confidence thing and just a phase he's going through. Just seems to make tactical errors much more than he did a few years back.The couple he has lined up back here while he is away have won with john dunn driving them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Just now, Newmarket said: The Ex NZ horses racing in Aus at the moment, are going huge. That is great for NZ owners, trainers and breeders, aussies will buy, and for good money. But come, horses coming from ex purdon stable, who would buy them. Even Chief might wonder🤭 You would think rasmussens sister would know what all the ingredients of the all stars success was,but currently spankem has lost a leg form wise.Turn it up should really have won last night,but for a dumb as drive,but even so he hasn't gone on to reach the same heights as he did here since leaving the all stars. I agree,if buying off the all stars you may be over paying for what you actually are getting. Thats been the case for a while hasn't it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 1 minute ago, the galah said: You would think rasmussens sister would know what all the ingredients of the all stars success was,but currently spankem has lost a leg form wise. Yawn - here we go again. Do we need to assess your analysis again? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: The Ex NZ horses racing in Aus at the moment, are going huge. That is great for NZ owners, trainers and breeders, aussies will buy, and for good money. But come, horses coming from ex purdon stable, who would buy them. Even Chief might wonder🤭 Very true but from a punting point of view very hard to get a decent return, once they start in AUS and show form you'll never see a decent betting price again generally.... you look at the exported horses the last month of so you can also see why fields in NZ are getting smaller, pay $2000 plus per month in training and race for peanuts or sell an average horse for $20k to AUS. Waiting for 2 horses in Leer who I think will be a hot fav 1st start and the former Paul Young trained free legged pacer Conspirator to start in AUS, looks a nice staying horse that didn't do much in NZ, might get a nice price 1st start. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 16 hours ago, Newmarket said: Shame to see Spankem toss it in suffering from low red blood cells 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 hours ago, the galah said: but currently spankem has lost a leg form wise.Turn it up should really have won last night I must say you and Forbs and Newmarket being quite tough on Spankem. Very tough indeed. He has a 1st, a 3rd and a 4th recently as his Oz form? what is wrong with that ?? (not counting lost driver race) the 3rd by Spankem was to King of Swing. He can't beat him. Undisputed heavyweight champion of Australia with 16 wins and 4 placings since joining the McCarthy barn early last year. (one of those placings was to BALRAJ once as well and Lochinvar Art twice) and BALRAJ was the one finishing 2nd last night to COPY THAT , with Spankem 4th. Am sure Copy That was the NZ Cup favourite? so is No slug. maybe Spankem only on a par with Copy That at his best ???? finished alongside each other in Auckland Cup. Has been well over 2 years since the great Miracle Mile win. In NZ Spankem has 13 wins from 40 starts ? nice but not sensational. Aus form is 7 wins from 14 starts !! Spankem actually does better here . why Bag him?. he's doing fine. surely, Balraj camping on his back , and Copy That smothered up till late, were intitled to Match Spankem last night, at least ?? They're all nice horses. COLT THIRTY ONE a battling 6th , but like Spankem , only 4m off last night winner of COPY THAT. I'm not crying over COLT31 losing, maybe get em' next time. ? (Not if King of Swing in it though) Colt finished alongside Spankem last night. and he's pretty good too. toss it in ?? what a lot of rot I reckon lol......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 54 minutes ago, Gammalite said: I must say you and Forbs and Newmarket being quite tough on Spankem. Very tough indeed. He has a 1st, a 3rd and a 4th recently as his Oz form? what is wrong with that ?? (not counting lost driver race) the 3rd by Spankem was to King of Swing. He can't beat him. Undisputed heavyweight champion of Australia with 16 wins and 4 placings since joining the McCarthy barn early last year. (one of those placings was to BALRAJ once as well and Lochinvar Art twice) and BALRAJ was the one finishing 2nd last night to COPY THAT , with Spankem 4th. Am sure Copy That was the NZ Cup favourite? so is No slug. maybe Spankem only on a par with Copy That at his best ???? finished alongside each other in Auckland Cup. Has been well over 2 years since the great Miracle Mile win. In NZ Spankem has 13 wins from 40 starts ? nice but not sensational. Aus form is 7 wins from 14 starts !! Spankem actually does better here . why Bag him?. he's doing fine. surely, Balraj camping on his back , and Copy That smothered up till late, were intitled to Match Spankem last night, at least ?? They're all nice horses. COLT THIRTY ONE a battling 6th , but like Spankem , only 4m off last night winner of COPY THAT. I'm not crying over COLT31 losing, maybe get em' next time. ? (Not if King of Swing in it though) Colt finished alongside Spankem last night. and he's pretty good too. toss it in ?? what a lot of rot I reckon lol......... The Spankem that ran 2nd in the nz and auckland cups,and won nz ffa in the last 7 months isn't the same horse running over there. Apart from king of swing ,the rest hes racing over there aren't competitive in races like that are they?He doesn't have the run forever look anymore. Thats the reason many on here say hes lost a leg performance wise. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, the galah said: The Spankem that ran 2nd in the nz and auckland cups,and won nz ffa in the last 7 months isn't the same horse running over there. Apart from king of swing ,the rest hes racing over there aren't competitive in races like that are they?He doesn't have the run forever look anymore. Thats the reason many on here say hes lost a leg performance wise. But you were saying that BEFORE he went to OZ. Actually you have been saying that all season. BTW have you forgotten that Spankem wasn't quite up to Self Assured and Amazing Dream in NZ and last won here in early December. He also got spanked by Copy That in the Flying Mile at Cambridge. It is very hard to follow your form logic at all. I see Cullen has a UDR of 0.41 and all the other big stables aren't within a bull's roar of that. $3.6m in stakes for the All Stars! Nearly twice that of the next stable! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 28 minutes ago, the galah said: The Spankem that ran 2nd in the nz and auckland cups,and won nz ffa in the last 7 months isn't the same horse running over there. Apart from king of swing ,the rest hes racing over there aren't competitive in races like that are they?He doesn't have the run forever look anymore. Thats the reason many on here say hes lost a leg performance wise. So true 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, the galah said: The Spankem that ran 2nd in the nz and auckland cups,and won nz ffa in the last 7 months isn't the same horse running over there. Apart from king of swing ,the rest hes racing over there aren't competitive in races like that are they?He doesn't have the run forever look anymore. Thats the reason many on here say hes lost a leg performance wise. yeah i spose . That NZ FFA win was pretty awesome! by 3 lengths. It was only THE FIXER running 2nd in that NZ FFA though. a horse I would be more likely pick on , with lost leg IMO hehehe. Spankem was eye-balled last lap by Colt Thirty One (46 wins from 83 starts) and they were run down by quality opponents, in Copy That and Balraj. I wasn't too surprised they both finished a length off the win. 5 hours ago, the galah said: Do the drivers over there drive in their own colours? I noticed p mcmullen always seemed to have the same colours on,but in the big pacing race you had a couple of stablemates with the same colours. How does it work over there. That overanova has an amazing record.Horses over there seemed to have more race starts than they do here.Also seem to have earned more. What do you put that down to. Is it because they have a greater pool of horses. Is the handicapping system really good.Is it the warmer weather? Is it because they race over shorter distances. Do they not train them as hard? What do you think? Yeah , like these days not much point changing colours each race as same drivers go round mostly. a band of 15 or so who are in most races. use their own comfy silks (and own sulkies too BTW) on differing trainers runners. They would wear owners colours if requested though no Problem. Training very easy when racing once a week . horse dashes around for 2 mins and mostly they cover up and just sprint home. easy recovery . couple of trainers don't hopple at all at home race fit horses . swim and a canter. yes the short distance racing important. anything over the mile and a quarter is hard to bounce back from as easily, as they work waaay more in the running of those races, so a little flat racing the following week. NOTE with our locals racing the 2600m Redcliffe Cup stand last Friday , those runners a little 'Flat' this week, like Colt Thirty One and also McCarthy's only unplaced runner last night 'BETTOR ENFORCE' the fav in race 1 last night. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: But you were saying that BEFORE he went to OZ. Actually you have been saying that all season. BTW have you forgotten that Spankem wasn't quite up to Self Assured and Amazing Dream in NZ and last won here in early December. He also got spanked by Copy That in the Flying Mile at Cambridge. It is very hard to follow your form logic at all. I see Cullen has a UDR of 0.41 and all the other big stables aren't within a bull's roar of that. $3.6m in stakes for the All Stars! Nearly twice that of the next stable! Not sure anyone has mentioned Cullen. I think many on here, including myself, watch a heap of Aus harness, I am always interested how nz horses perform. Horses that are average, or struggling to compete with the top few in nz, really do grow a leg. But if somebody can correct me, has any ex purdon horse that has been exported to Aus, performed as good or better than in NZ? Yes Turn It Up unlucky last night, but previous runs poor in Aus, went huge in nz. As for Spankem, with the draw and the run it had last night, should have won, or at least 2nd, open class horses in aus are an average lot at the moment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, Newmarket said: As for Spankem, with the draw and the run it had last night, should have won, or at least 2nd, open class horses in aus are an average lot at the moment Wasn't the race won by an ex NZ horse in Copy That? A horse that won the Flying Mile, then the FFA at Auckland, followed by the City of Auckland FFA, The Taylor Mile and the NZ Messenger. All in a row? Hasn't Spankem been beaten by Copy That quite easily in the last season? By a lot more than 3.8m I'll add. Is a mile Spankem's best distance? Geez @the galah compares his two mile form with last night!!!! Go figure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Reality is that if Purdon/ Rasmussen arent in attendance then the performance is never going to be as good as what they can have it going! If I wore a hat I would have to take it off to Purdon/Rasmussen as there is not a trainer in Australasia that can foot it with them and that includes the Ozzies, when they are on the job!! Anyone know when there sabbatical away from the stables is over??????? Lol 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 16 minutes ago, Brodie said: If I wore a hat I would have to take it off to Purdon/Rasmussen as there is not a trainer in Australasia that can foot it with them and that includes the Ozzies, when they are on the job!! Yes they certainly are superior race drivers compared to most of the Ozzies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 Worth noting the the winner in the 2nd race went quicker on the night, while a few other lower class races were just a fraction slower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 20 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Worth noting the the winner in the 2nd race went quicker on the night, while a few other lower class races were just a fraction slower. Worth noting that in Copy That's race they ran a very swift opening quarter faster than the 2nd race and a last quarter a full second quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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