the galah Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: LAZARUS is a stallion ??? goat. just clarifying I wasn't meaning as a racehorse,but as a sire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, the galah said: just clarifying I wasn't meaning as a racehorse,but as a sire. Out of interest who was the last NZ raced stallion that was a huge commercial success? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 49 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Out of interest who was the last NZ raced stallion that was a huge commercial success? Courage Under Fire ?? just a guess, but he is the sire of SMOLDA amongst others that did well. 1 hour ago, the galah said: just clarifying I wasn't meaning as a racehorse,but as a sire Allstars are certainly under No pressure to produce a leading sire from their racing stock. However, Sure hope ALL the folk with a Lazarus foal get a winner on their hands !! (and not all at Cullens lol....) Auckland Reactor was a flop I think? American bloodlines still dominate. BETTORS DELIGHT becoming the best in all history it seems. NZ and Oz . here has 300 winners from 500 starters approx this season. going great guns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Courage Under Fire ?? just a guess, but he is the sire of SMOLDA amongst others that did well. Allstars are certainly under No pressure to produce a leading sire from their racing stock. However, Sure hope ALL the folk with a Lazarus foal get a winner on their hands !! (and not all at Cullens lol....) Auckland Reactor was a flop I think? American bloodlines still dominate. BETTORS DELIGHT becoming the best in all history it seems. NZ and Oz . here has 300 winners from 500 starters approx this season. going great guns. LAZARUS im hearing the horse is firing blanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Hey , just posting COPY THAT from Saturday night for those that didn't see him rip down the outside in the slop, to yet another nice Victory for him !! well done Ant's driving and Ray Green training. Spankem is right there in the firing line in the black shadow roll, NOT far away at all. He's going well (subject to opinion on this thread)!!! lol.... poor old bugger. The second placegetter there, is kiwi-bred BALRAJ. A victor over KING of SWING last year. !!! amazing. hasn't won this year though for McCarthy in 8 starts. but still going well. no one saying he lost a leg lol..... It's bloody hard to win at this level !!!! what are you guys thinking? Local champion COLT THIRTY ONE , near the 2nd best QLD horse ever, has NOT won this Year yet either. That shows how hard it is to win at this level. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lost a leg phfffff. Copy That !! wow !! how good and KRUG too. my EXPENSIVE EGO tickets are looking Very shaky indeed ?? thanks to the shakey Isles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Hey , just posting COPY THAT from Saturday night for those that didn't see him rip down the outside in the slop, to yet another nice Victory for him !! well done Ant's driving and Ray Green training. Spankem is right there in the firing line in the black shadow roll, NOT far away at all. He's going well (subject to opinion on this thread)!!! lol.... poor old bugger. The second placegetter there, is kiwi-bred BALRAJ. A victor over KING of SWING last year. !!! amazing. hasn't won this year though for McCarthy in 8 starts. but still going well. no one saying he lost a leg lol..... It's bloody hard to win at this level !!!! what are you guys thinking? Local champion COLT THIRTY ONE , near the 2nd best QLD horse ever, has NOT won this Year yet either. That shows how hard it is to win at this level. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lost a leg phfffff. Copy That !! wow !! how good and KRUG too. my EXPENSIVE EGO tickets are looking Very shaky indeed ?? thanks to the shakey Isles. Yep these expert form analyst's don't understand a 26 first quarter two over 30 quarters and a sprint home make it hard work. But what's 3.8m between friends! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Yep these expert form analyst's don't understand a 26 first quarter two over 30 quarters and a sprint home make is hard work. But what's 3.8m between friends! hahaha yeah 'Suicide Sam' Pete Mcmullen came blazing out of the outside gate with some outsider and stuffed things up. I was on BALRAJ , as McCarthy seems to win every second race he's in , and it DREW WELL. Thought BALRAJ would lead in the slop, but got nice drop on Spankem after that blazing first quarter anyway. BUT NO !!! not to be . Anthony Butt driving with the style and ability that everyone Loves . and Winning . !! Hey something everyone BOAY agrees on. !!!!!!!! fabulous driver Anthony Butt !! Too good . not many win from where he was at 1/4 , yet Ant's did it!!. full credit . and a poor loss to gammy lol..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gammalite said: Courage Under Fire ?? just a guess, but he is the sire of SMOLDA amongst others that did well. Allstars are certainly under No pressure to produce a leading sire from their racing stock. However, Sure hope ALL the folk with a Lazarus foal get a winner on their hands !! (and not all at Cullens lol....) Auckland Reactor was a flop I think? American bloodlines still dominate. BETTORS DELIGHT becoming the best in all history it seems. NZ and Oz . here has 300 winners from 500 starters approx this season. going great guns. Gamma, there wont be any successful sires out of the AllStars stable. It is a known fact that Steroids usage by men can often cause erection problems! It is also known that it will shrink the testicles, so obviously if stallions have been given racing enhancements other than Viagra and Herbal Ignite their sexual prowess is going to suffer! This is clearly what has happened with Lazarus, and most know this whether you want to admit it or not. There is no way Lazarus was running the way he was being so dominant on sheer ability. If it was there he wouldve had the lot! Edited July 5, 2021 by Brodie 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, Brodie said: Gamma, there wont be any successful sires out of the AllStars stable. It is a known fact that Steroids usage by men can often cause erection problems! It is also known that it will shrink the testicles, so obviously if stallions have been given racing enhancements other than Viagra and Herbal Ignite their sexual prowess is going to suffer! This is clearly what has happened with Lazarus, and most know this whether you want to admit it or not. There is no way Lazarus was running the way he was being so dominant on sheer ability. If it was there he wouldve had the lot! that's why the lovely jean will not bred from her 2 outstanding fillys Ellie Mac . Spanish Amanda .a 500k winner and 850k winner so why not bred from them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, paleface adios said: that's why the lovely jean will not bred from her 2 outstanding fillys Ellie Mac . Spanish Amanda .a 500k winner and 850k winner so why not bred from them? Jean is into racing horses and winning as many big stakes races as she can! If a horse is only average it is sent packing I believe! Yes it is odd that Jean doesnt breed from her champion mares but it appears that the almighty $ might be more important than the joy of racing? May be wrong but appears that way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Brodie said: Gamma, there wont be any successful sires out of the AllStars stable. It is a known fact that Steroids usage by men can often cause erection problems! It is also known that it will shrink the testicles, so obviously if stallions have been given racing enhancements other than Viagra and Herbal Ignite their sexual prowess is going to suffer! This is clearly what has happened with Lazarus, and most know this whether you want to admit it or not. There is no way Lazarus was running the way he was being so dominant on sheer ability. If it was there he wouldve had the lot! I'm not saying this has anything to do with lazarus. But it does relate to red cell builders that i was referring to earlier. I read an article on the paulick reportabout 5 years ago,which i have just re read,which reprinted parts of a letter that was sourced from a whistle blower. The letter was from from a well known veterinarian in the usa,and was sent to client on how epo was to be used. It noted that "when introducing the blood builder into the horses system iron,folic acid,b12 and an anabolic steroid are used in conjunction. The steroids put the horse into a building state and the b12,folic acid and iron are all needed in increased amounts to make the red cell numbers increase". If you read about this type of steroid use,it suggests fertility sometimes can return to normal after a few months. Whats obvious is you would need owners who would be happy to pay big vet bills. Edited July 5, 2021 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Gamma, there wont be any successful sires out of the AllStars stable. It is a known fact that Steroids usage by men can often cause erection problems! It is also known that it will shrink the testicles, so obviously if stallions have been given racing enhancements other than Viagra and Herbal Ignite their sexual prowess is going to suffer! This is clearly what has happened with Lazarus, and most know this whether you want to admit it or not. There is no way Lazarus was running the way he was being so dominant on sheer ability. If it was there he wouldve had the lot! An early season Charles Sturt University fertility analysis has given a glowing report of Lazarus' semen, for its quality and longevity. And now that's being backed up in the barn, with perfect early service results for the superstar. https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/the-lazarus-phenomenon-lives-on-in-the-breeding-barn/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 43 minutes ago, the galah said: It noted that "when introducing the blood builder into the horses system iron,folic acid,b12 and an anabolic steroid are used in conjunction. So are you saying Iron, Folic Acid and B12 should be banned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 5, 2021 Author Share Posted July 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Yep these expert form analyst's don't understand a 26 first quarter two over 30 quarters and a sprint home make it hard work. But what's 3.8m between friends! That is probably the most foolish thing you have said. If you run 2 races, both over a mile, each 2 minutes. First race 25sec first and last qtr, middle qtrs 35sec. Second race, all qtrs 30secs. It’s the same mate, yes different horses will be suited by times, suited by draws, positions etc, but times are same. As I rightly mentioned, which you obviously didn’t understand, the time on the night was not fast, one lower class race went quicker, few other races went close. That was why Copy That won it, saved for last run, look at overall times, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 53 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So are you saying Iron, Folic Acid and B12 should be banned? can't see why you would draw that conclusion from what i have said. I was pointing out they are recognized treatments given to assist the effectiveness of epo which of course is given to increase the red cell numbers,thus improve oxygen levels. If you were using epo to peak a horses performance at a certain time,the experts say you give the bulk of the treatment several weeks prior to when you want it to have its maximum effect.Thats why they say if authorities were serious about picking up epo,they would do regular out of competition testing,but should never let those they are testing know when it is to happen as indications of its use only stay in the horses system for 2 to 4 days. They also say even if its use is indicated in the tests,you would have difficulty proving it was directly because performance enhancers had been used,as the horse apparently can sometimes produce natural raised levels. Thats how you peak a horses performance from a bottle. You keep going on about on post race testing being effective,but from what i have read even the most up to date post race testing has a very low likelihood of picking up the use of epo. So the experts say you are wrong. A couple of years ago,a leading expert in equine research in kentucky described the use of epo as an epidemic. No doubt your answer is whats that got to do with nz,testing works,that i believe in conspiracy theories. Just as i can believe my theory is true,there is no way you can prove its not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: An early season Charles Sturt University fertility analysis has given a glowing report of Lazarus' semen, for its quality and longevity. And now that's being backed up in the barn, with perfect early service results for the superstar. https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/the-lazarus-phenomenon-lives-on-in-the-breeding-barn/ They used to say that about mine Chief! I doubt it would still have the same longevity nowadays, and the word is out that Lazarus is battling in the sack! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 3 hours ago, the galah said: A couple of years ago,a leading expert in equine research in kentucky described the use of epo as an epidemic. Where’s the evidence? Quite frankly the "leading expert" label means absolutely nothing. The Covid pandemic is proof of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 3 hours ago, the galah said: You keep going on about on post race testing being effective,but from what i have read even the most up to date post race testing has a very low likelihood of picking up the use of epo. So the experts say you are wrong. That's not correct. Where is the evidence of a source of EPO? Where is the evidence it is being used? With today's testing sensitivity you would pick up EPO particularly if the source was non equine. All you and the so called experts are doing is speculating on the basis of no evidence. Not only that you, as you admit knows little about the subject, selectively chooses which experts to quote ignoring those that don't support your hypothesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 What a race the rising sun was going to be with the three best horses aged 3&4.then you add the other two amazing dream and sprit you have the race of the year.but this is the former country known as Australia and the race in being run in Qld the home of the most abusive premier there is so as expected they added seven losing no chance horses to ruin the race and to fix it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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