Oamaru nominations.

[mikeynz]

Good nomination numbers but it seems a heavy 11 track again,starting to wonder if this Oamaru Timaru complex about better winter tracks is a misnomer but good stakes by nz standards and no where else to run probably has a bit to do with it too,these are noms only though,how many will front up,well that remains to be seen,

[Doomed]

5 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Good nomination numbers but it seems a heavy 11 track again,starting to wonder if this Oamaru Timaru complex about better winter tracks is a misnomer but good stakes by nz standards and no where else to run probably has a bit to do with it too,these are noms only though,how many will front up,well that remains to be seen,

Hopefully the track will improve by Sunday Mikey. Oamaru and Timaru are traditionally good winter tracks, but there will always be wet spells. I'm sure most of the noms will front, usually very few scratching in the South because there are so few opportunities. Good article on the nzracing website about Kelvin Tyler where he said: 

“It’s actually bloody tough at this time of the year as there are just so few opportunities in the South.

“There are only four South Island meetings in July which is really frustrating when you see all the racing they are getting in the North.

[Ludwig]

16 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Good nomination numbers but it seems a heavy 11 track again,starting to wonder if this Oamaru Timaru complex about better winter tracks is a misnomer but good stakes by nz standards and no where else to run probably has a bit to do with it too,these are noms only though,how many will front up,well that remains to be seen,

It's called winter. It does rain!! It's just that those two tracks seem to cope with it better 

[mikeynz]

12 hours ago, Doomed said:

Hopefully the track will improve by Sunday Mikey. Oamaru and Timaru are traditionally good winter tracks, but there will always be wet spells. I'm sure most of the noms will front, usually very few scratching in the South because there are so few opportunities. Good article on the nzracing website about Kelvin Tyler where he said: 

“It’s actually bloody tough at this time of the year as there are just so few opportunities in the South.

“There are only four South Island meetings in July which is really frustrating when you see all the racing they are getting in the North.

I read a article online yesty about Tyler,went to Southland a few years ago and are in the dairy industry,the horses come second so in that way he is fortunate all his eggs ain't in the one racing basket,sometimes one wonders why you would be at the furthest point racing wise but it is what it is,having said that the travel would be a pain,the lack of race days in winter in the south could be helped by the AWT,not hindered if the days at Ricarton are new days,not pinched off others.

[Freda]

1 hour ago, mikeynz said:

I read a article online yesty about Tyler,went to Southland a few years ago and are in the dairy industry,the horses come second so in that way he is fortunate all his eggs ain't in the one racing basket,sometimes one wonders why you would be at the furthest point racing wise but it is what it is,having said that the travel would be a pain,the lack of race days in winter in the south could be helped by the AWT,not hindered if the days at Ricarton are new days,not pinched off others.

No, Mikey, the aim is not to create new days, permits will be taken from other clubs.

[Doomed]

57 minutes ago, Freda said:

No, Mikey, the aim is not to create new days, permits will be taken from other clubs.

Correct. The whole aim of the AWT is so they can close down as many other tracks as possible. Ideally they would like even fewer meetings in the SI.

Very good acceptances at Oamaru, and I would say easily the best meeting in NZ this weekend. At least they will have three dividends in every race, which can't be said for Te Rapa.

And looks like the Pitman v Tyler clash could go down to the last race.

[JMO]

On 7/21/2021 at 11:30 AM, Doomed said:

Correct. The whole aim of the AWT is so they can close down as many other tracks as possible. Ideally they would like even fewer meetings in the SI.

Very good acceptances at Oamaru, and I would say easily the best meeting in NZ this weekend. At least they will have three dividends in every race, which can't be said for Te Rapa.

And looks like the Pitman v Tyler clash could go down to the last race.

The aim of the AW tracks is to give our grass tracks a break during the winter,as much as they can.

And the AW is another element/puzzle for punters to figure out, they should be happy. The dividends can be Gold if you know your stuff 🧐

[mikeynz]

59 minutes ago, JMO said:

The aim of the AW tracks is to give our grass tracks a break during the winter,as much as they can.

And the AW is another element/puzzle for punters to figure out, they should be happy. The dividends can be Gold if you know your stuff 🧐

It would certainly be a different landscape if Oamaru and Timaru were to close,the problem here though in Timarus case is at present they have lost 3 days for next year yet they never have feature days like Oamaru have on sunday,they just seem to be getting a shit deal.

A lot of southern horses lining up at Oamaru,if Oamaru and Timaru were gone would that kill off racing south of the Waitaki?

[Doomed]

1 hour ago, JMO said:

The aim of the AW tracks is to give our grass tracks a break during the winter,as much as they can.

And the AW is another element/puzzle for punters to figure out, they should be happy. The dividends can be Gold if you know your stuff 🧐

So does that mean the well rested Timaru track is about to be allocated extra feature summer meetings?

[mikeynz]

Just now, Doomed said:

So does that mean the well rested Timaru track is about to be allocated extra feature summer meetings?

I reckon a couple of feature saturday meetings at Washdyke instead of Riccarton would be better for both,that grass track at Riccarton does get a hammering,sometimes it looks like it too sometimes,the AWT probably does have a place but 15 million or whatever does seem a lot for 8 days or whatever,however it's done,spose the trainers training on it will be happy.

[mikeynz]

24 noms for 3 jumping races at Riccarton Saturday and only 5 I think from the South Island,probably make more sense to race at trentham or something,cuts down the travel for most of them

[Huey]

1 hour ago, mikeynz said:

24 noms for 3 jumping races at Riccarton Saturday and only 5 I think from the South Island,probably make more sense to race at trentham or something,cuts down the travel for most of them

Have a look at BS FB live , it's all about the chicken & egg in SI jumps racing.

Time for a survey perhaps??

[nomates]

11 minutes ago, Huey said:

Time for a survey perhaps??

I'll do it , get the cash , wait a couple of months , tell them SI jumping is fecked , spend cash . Easy peezy Japanesee . 

Not rocket science , as if they need to spend time asking questions .

[mikeynz]

Fields for the flat races are ok but the jumping races are only only a shadow of the past,such is life.

[mikeynz]

14 nominations for the grand national steeples next Saturday,no South Island horses,what next?

[Freda]

What might you expect ?

Only two in the hurdles Wednesday too, and with the first day's efforts to consider, both would be outclassed.

The old grey bloke is only a shadow of his former self, it seems.

[nomates]

2 hours ago, Freda said:

The old grey bloke is only a shadow of his former self, it seems.

Retired after yesterday , sound but heart not in it , looked that way after his last start , but at least he is retiring in one piece , hope he has a grand retirement , fully deserved .

[mikeynz]

The question is,what to do with the National meeting should all the jumps racing be in the north only?

[nomates]

41 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

The question is,what to do with the National meeting should all the jumps racing be in the north only?

Numbers will dictate that , well on it's way . Considering the lack of jumping races in the SI since the start of the jumping season why would anybody bother having a jumper in the SI .

[Huey]

5 hours ago, Freda said:

What might you expect ?

Only two in the hurdles Wednesday too, and with the first day's efforts to consider, both would be outclassed.

The old grey bloke is only a shadow of his former self, it seems.

I agree, but having said that I'm pleasantly surprised at what looks to be a fairly exciting field for the hurdles should noms hold up .

[Freda]

2 hours ago, nomates said:

Numbers will dictate that , well on it's way . Considering the lack of jumping races in the SI since the start of the jumping season why would anybody bother having a jumper in the SI .

Fraid you're right.

It's been going downhill really since the departure of the Hillis/Hazlett combo, there have been supporters,  yes, but Big Bill bred his horses to jump,  not just turn the slow/uninterested sorts to jumping as a last resort. 

And while there have been some lovely jumpers plucked from the ranks of failed flat horses, from a numbers point of view,  there haven't been enough .  IMO.

And, with the drop off in numbers,  riders are not about . There used to be highweights all year round, gave the jumps lads a reason to be, but once they stopped being run, no point being a jumps rider in the South. 

[nomates]

No runners in the 0-2 win steeple and only 4 in the mdn hurdle , so not a lot coming thru down south by the looks . Looks pretty dire for jumping for the SI .