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[Karrotsisback]

49 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

The young lady running second there , is no other than the Sky racing and track presenter BRITTANY GRAHAM , on the trotter out wide ,No 4  the old South Islander 'IL PIRATA.'  Another one for the 'Hot ' list Karrots ?

Taupiri already nom-ed Murphy 👍

Here is our BOAY 20/21 hot list noms have closed. In no particular order. 

Credit where credit is due.

B Murphy

N Rass

N Hope

OZ presenter

S Tomlinson

O Thornely

Gamms daughter Fiona

K Gath

K Blakemore

B Williamson

Z Butcher

D Dunn

A Drake

L Whittaker

N Delany

S McMillan

T Williams

S Iremonger

Edited August 29, 2021 by Karrotsisback

[the galah]

57 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

DOUG proving to be ahead and better than the rest on this occasion, as per boay maybe  lol.....  (with the aid of yet another fantastic Pete McMullen drive)

Great Bunch of 4 ex-pat kiwi Trotters all up for the FIRST 4 there !!     Orlando Jolt running very close 4th for Brittany Graham's dad Daryl Graham.

The young lady running second there , is no other than the Sky racing and track presenter BRITTANY GRAHAM , on the trotter out wide ,No 4  the old South Islander 'IL PIRATA.'  Another one for the 'Hot ' list Karrots ?

 

Brittany graham one of those drivers who horses run for,and also has a very good tactical brian.A lot cleverer than her father when driving. He should leave the driving to her.

[Gammalite]

7 minutes ago, the galah said:

Brittany graham one of those drivers who horses run for,and also has a very good tactical brian.A lot cleverer than her father when driving. He should leave the driving to her.

Actually Brittany did win a race last night at good odds too.  

hahahah  Poor old Daryl you say shouldn't be driving?, heheheh...one of the old boys now at 56 odd lol.... , same age as Mark Purdon, and also John McMullen roughly (father of the 4 current McMullen's Race driving , who win hundreds of races every year.. the youngest only just turned 20 . TALEAH

Both John McMullen and Daryl Graham got very bad knee injuries from race crashes.  John definitely leaves it up to the kids past decade. Grant Dixon getting old at 50 too !!!  very rare for drivers that old in Brisbane to go round regularly.  It's a YOUNG persons go here , race driving . Daryl a rarity . Had a year out with cobalt DQ recently too. 

They drive to Way Too far an Old Age in NZ !!!!??  has stopped the next generation taking over altogether .

Here's TALEAH McMULLEN driving stats at just turning 20 years old , no one in NZ anywhere near this.......

Age - 19. Performance 2261 starts for 243 wins 515 placings as at 8 Feb 2021. The youngest of the McMullen clan, Taleah has well and truly stepped out of her older siblings (Pete, Narissa and Danni-elle) shadow driving 140 winners in the 19/20 season. Winner of the 2019 Qld Young Achiever of the year award her biggest win to date was piloting Annika Magic to victory in the 2019 Fleur De Lil Ladyship Stakes.

[the galah]

6 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Actually Brittany did win a race last night at good odds too.  

hahahah  Poor old Daryl you say shouldn't be driving?, heheheh...one of the old boys now at 56 odd lol.... , same age as Mark Purdon, and also John McMullen roughly (father of the 4 current McMullen's Race driving , who win hundreds of races every year.. the youngest only just turned 20 . TALEAH

Both John McMullen and Daryl Graham got very bad knee injuries from race crashes.  John definitely leaves it up to the kids past decade. Grant Dixon getting old at 50 too !!!  very rare for drivers that old in Brisbane to go round regularly.  It's a YOUNG persons go here , race driving . Daryl a rarity . Had a year out with cobalt DQ recently too. 

They drive to Way Too far an Old Age in NZ !!!!??  has stopped the next generation taking over altogether .

Here's TALEAH McMULLEN driving stats at just turning 20 years old , no one in NZ anywhere near this.......

Age - 19. Performance 2261 starts for 243 wins 515 placings as at 8 Feb 2021. The youngest of the McMullen clan, Taleah has well and truly stepped out of her older siblings (Pete, Narissa and Danni-elle) shadow driving 140 winners in the 19/20 season. Winner of the 2019 Qld Young Achiever of the year award her biggest win to date was piloting Annika Magic to victory in the 2019 Fleur De Lil Ladyship Stakes.

I think age doesn't make any difference.Its just whether they are up to it tactically, and still have the desire.It would make a difference if they had a crash.

The mcmullens do drive well. I have noticed pete mcmullen is very good overall,and narissa mcmullen very good in front in sprint races. Shes not as good in the longer races,as her horses over race too much,and not as good if not in front.Those other 2 don't seem to have driven much lately. I did think taleh mcmullen drives well,but Trent lethaby seems to be doing most of the driving for the J mcmullen stable at the moment.

As to Grant dixon,i think his wife drives better,and chris petroff the best from that stable,but he doesn't get that many opportunities.Grant dixon drives conservatively most of the time,but does drive them well when he knows he is on a top chance.Maybe the conservative drives are because he also trains them.

[Gammalite]

17 minutes ago, the galah said:

I think age doesn't make any difference.Its just whether they are up to it tactically

Definitely it makes a difference..... Experience is the key. Youngsters (junior drivers) in NZ probably have to drive to 'Instruction' as much as possible from the 2-3 drives they get any week (unless you're Dexter) so hardly have a CHANCE At ALL to improve tactically . and Nz harness racing is suffering for it. Lack of many Juniors. The drives they do get , I'd wager they are dictated the 'Old trainers' idea of the race tactics to follow?

Why would someone like Ricky May still go round for example?. He nearly died . time to give someone else a go possibly? how much signs do you need you would think. McKendry and Mangos and Stormont  etc,etc .

where's the juniors? sure all the old boys have tactical efficientcy . (I do think it's funny that you might think Grant Dixon and Daryl Graham not great tactically in QLD, after 1000's upon 1000's of drives and wins ,heheheh but that's ok , do find it hard to agree with that but whatever)  

Australian racing is DOMINATED by the the BARRIER draw too. Tactics are almost always decided on by where the horses draw. drivers converse and know who is going to lead before they go off *usually.*  Whittaker , a junior from NZ , had a drive or 2 at Brisbane recently, and didn't understand that, and looked a complete goose. (Took on the fav who had drawn one for the lead, and then ran last) 

[the galah]

19 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

 

Definitely it makes a difference..... Experience is the key. Youngsters (junior drivers) in NZ probably have to drive to 'Instruction' as much as possible from the 2-3 drives they get any week (unless you're Dexter) so hardly have a CHANCE At ALL to improve tactically . and Nz harness racing is suffering for it. Lack of many Juniors. The drives they do get , I'd wager they are dictated the 'Old trainers' idea of the race tactics to follow?

Why would someone like Ricky May still go round for example?. He nearly died . time to give someone else a go possibly? how much signs do you need you would think. McKendry and Mangos and Stormont  etc,etc .

where's the juniors? sure all the old boys have tactical efficientcy . (I do think it's funny that you might think Grant Dixon and Daryl Graham not great tactically in QLD, after 1000's upon 1000's of drives and wins ,heheheh but that's ok , do find it hard to agree with that but whatever)  

Australian racing is DOMINATED by the the BARRIER draw too. Tactics are almost always decided on by where the horses draw. drivers converse and know who is going to lead before they go off *usually.*  Whittaker , a junior from NZ , had a drive or 2 at Brisbane recently, and didn't understand that, and looked a complete goose. (Took on the fav who had drawn one for the lead, and then ran last) 

i was referring to age in the context you had used it,i.e. as relates to older drivers.

And i never said grant dixon is not good tactically. I said d graham wasn't.But i did say t dixon and c petroff are better drivers at the moment than g dixon. As an example I got a vey nice collect off the horse midnight queen at redcliffe mid week. The reason i backed it was because g dixon sacked himself and gave petroff the drive. The horse had clearly been resenting the way dixon had been restraining it during the running,and turned its form around for petroff. at very good odds. Credit to dixon though,he recognised his style didn't suit and gave the drive to someone better suited.

I agree mangos not as good as he used to be,mckendry still as good but not with the same desire,Stormont  and May still very good drivers.These fellas should keep going as long as they want. Enjoying what you do doesn't stop when you get older,so why should they stop?

Edited August 29, 2021 by the galah

[the galah]

22 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

 

  

Australian racing is DOMINATED by the the BARRIER draw too. Tactics are almost always decided on by where the horses draw. drivers converse and know who is going to lead before they go off *usually.*  Whittaker , a junior from NZ , had a drive or 2 at Brisbane recently, and didn't understand that, and looked a complete goose. (Took on the fav who had drawn one for the lead, and then ran last) 

I agree it is a major factor as far as early positioning goes,but personally think the tempo of the race is a more important factor. Obviously horse ability is the most important. 

Also maintaining momentum is important.What is notable is how the passing lane is not that big a factor over there,unless the leader has forward momentum.

[Gammalite]

8 minutes ago, the galah said:

I agree mangos not as good as he used to be,mckendry still as good but not with the same desire,Stormont  and May still very good drivers.These fellas should keep going as long as they want. Enjoying what you do doesn't stop when you get older,so why should they stop?

Why should they stop ? Well it's So you Don't have the current Predicament in NZ Harness racing. Drying up of participants ?? 

I think all the 'aged' drivers NZ are very able, and yes No Doubt enjoy what they do ?...... But they take a HUGE chunk of the NZ race drives over decades. Why would a young person carry on in the game waiting for race drives , and only get one, two or three per week?. You'd just go and do something else. That is Very unfortunately the effect that has happened there in NZ .......

Many threads on BOAY discussed the 'Lack of Juniors'  and new drivers . It's a 'huge' problem going forward.

average driver age in Brisbane would be in their 20's . Grant D at 50, but will chuck it in when 4 kids get to race driving age. 

South Island not quite so bad as a few like John M, Samantha, Sheree, Jessica, Sarah O are really getting drives and improving dramatically. and there's some great regional locations (meetings) to improve your skills with a number of drives. Their 'experience levels' nice and high now, and therefore , they are very Tactically able. 

North Island is stuck with old race drivers IcemanWizardmanMagicmanChiefmanSuperman Stormo,Mango,Ballo, etc and so bugger all left for Junior man nor woman.***  Is Zac B the only youthful regular feature race driver ?? 

 

 

[the galah]

52 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Why should they stop ? Well it's So you Don't have the current Predicament in NZ Harness racing. Drying up of participants ?? 

I think all the 'aged' drivers NZ are very able, and yes No Doubt enjoy what they do ?...... But they take a HUGE chunk of the NZ race drives over decades. Why would a young person carry on in the game waiting for race drives , and only get one, two or three per week?. You'd just go and do something else. That is Very unfortunately the effect that has happened there in NZ .......

Many threads on BOAY discussed the 'Lack of Juniors'  and new drivers . It's a 'huge' problem going forward.

average driver age in Brisbane would be in their 20's . Grant D at 50, but will chuck it in when 4 kids get to race driving age. 

South Island not quite so bad as a few like John M, Samantha, Sheree, Jessica, Sarah O are really getting drives and improving dramatically. and there's some great regional locations (meetings) to improve your skills with a number of drives. Their 'experience levels' nice and high now, and therefore , they are very Tactically able. 

North Island is stuck with old race drivers IcemanWizardmanMagicmanChiefmanSuperman Stormo,Mango,Ballo, etc and so bugger all left for Junior man nor woman.***  Is Zac B the only youthful regular feature race driver ?? 

 

 

So you appear to be linking some of the older drivers still driving to having an impact on current junior driver numbers.

If that were the case then why do the junior drivers of this era get more drives,as compared to those of say 30-40 years ago?And we know there was far more younger people employed in the industry 30-40 years ago than now. 

I don't agree there is a link.Other factors are of far more signifcance.

Some drivers do seem to lose the desire and enjoyment,and reduce driving.its up to the individual. Some no doubt voice the opinion they need to give younger drivers a go.But they do so on the basis that what they have done is reinforcement that they have made the right decision. Ask yourself are they any happier?

Also take the likes of ricky may. He doesn't train. The reason he drives is because people believe his current driving skills will assist them in getting the best outcome for them in races they have starters in.Why deny them.And of course maybe they like interacting with people like May.

Edited August 29, 2021 by the galah

[Gammalite]

47 minutes ago, the galah said:

So you appear to be linking some of the older drivers still driving to having an impact on current junior driver numbers.

If that were the case then why do the junior drivers of this era get more drives,as compared to those of say 30-40 years ago?And we know there was far more younger people employed in the industry 30-40 years ago than now. 

Yes that is it exactly.!! spot on. Old drivers driving for those decades , has , and is having , a DRAMAtic effect on new driver numbers coming through. 

John Mcmullen , a fabulous QLD driver , gave up in his 40's as says the young drivers need 5 drives per meeting if possible to get to top class !!!!!. He provided that for nephew Nathan Dawson , as well as his 4 children, so they gained the experience and now do driving in all the races virtually. 

30-40 years ago I am aware there was a lot of trotting folk 'having fun' and 'employed' in the industry. Were working for very little money $100week for some. You can't do that this century . Training fees were smaller !! There was 'Poorer owners' that could race a horse! regular working people, you could miss out in a race, put a 'learner' driver on , and NOT cost the owner an arm and a leg. Staff are paid HEAPS more these days. It's NOT as much fun for owners (business logistics), Trainers are under Pressure every race start to get a result , so they put the Old 'good' drivers on to get that result (e.g like May or drive themselves still like DeFilippe , etc,etc)

 

[the galah]

28 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Yes that is it exactly.!! spot on. Old drivers driving for those decades , has , and is having , a DRAMAtic effect on new driver numbers coming through. 

John Mcmullen , a fabulous QLD driver , gave up in his 40's as says the young drivers need 5 drives per meeting if possible to get to top class !!!!!. He provided that for nephew Nathan Dawson , as well as his 4 children, so they gained the experience and now do driving in all the races virtually. 

30-40 years ago I am aware there was a lot of trotting folk 'having fun' and 'employed' in the industry. Were working for very little money $100week for some. You can't do that this century . Training fees were smaller !! There was 'Poorer owners' that could race a horse! regular working people, you could miss out in a race, put a 'learner' driver on , and NOT cost the owner an arm and a leg. Staff are paid HEAPS more these days. It's NOT as much fun for owners (business logistics), Trainers are under Pressure every race start to get a result , so they put the Old 'good' drivers on to get that result (e.g like May or drive themselves still like DeFilippe , etc,etc)

 

Do you think the older trainers should step aside and let the younger ones take over? Same logic applies there doesn't it?

Edited August 29, 2021 by the galah

[Gammalite]

2 minutes ago, the galah said:

Do you think the older trainers should step aside and let the younger ones take over? Same logic applies there doesn't it?

No . old trainers are the mainstay ! they provide the drives for the young horsemen/women. works fine.

My logic just means the racing continues WITHOUT the loss of participants. Young people in stables leaving to do something else. How long will someone last like say ,Tony Cameron last? Getting a couple of stable Herlihy drives in the bush , but seriously ? Flat out to get a drive in a feature race, let alone win one. and thats a good driver in a good stable. plenty of mug ones around just give up and walk away. I found leave the country a good option. 

By having drives available for young people they can make a living out of it. They would need 'X' amount of drives per week to do this. to earn the money you need for cost of living these days.

[Brodie]

Unfortunately no money in owning, training or driving nowadays.

Costs are far too high for most people to own a gorse on their own for the return.

Most trainers are not very financial and the opportunity for young trainers to make it worthwhile is very limited!

This is one reason why there has been several trainers caught doing illegal things.

Absolutely very little chance of young ones working for a stable to make enough money driving harness horses for a living, unless your parents train a big team!

Harness racing is at the cross roads at the moment unfortunately.

Punters need to be retained rather than being turned away by the NZ TAB!!!

 

 

 

[Karrotsisback]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

Unfortunately no money in owning, training or driving nowadays.

Costs are far too high for most people to own a gorse on their own for the return.

Most trainers are not very financial and the opportunity for young trainers to make it worthwhile is very limited!

This is one reason why there has been several trainers caught doing illegal things.

Absolutely very little chance of young ones working for a stable to make enough money driving harness horses for a living, unless your parents train a big team!

Harness racing is at the cross roads at the moment unfortunately.

Punters need to be retained rather than being turned away by the NZ TAB!!!

Absolutely agree with you Brods,

On the exception to rule, saw Manawatu HRC are making it affordable, here is part of their ad.

Ever thought about racing a horse, but the cost has stopped you? Come and join the Manawatu Harness Racing Club to race 2 (yes 2!) horses for the very affordable price of $50 a month!

If you are a keen racegoer, & want to experience the thrill of ownership, then get in touch with Brian for further details

B Ahern - 027 280 3201 - bahern@xtra.co.nz

CROSSROADS - WHICH ROAD IS THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD FOR THE BEST FUTURE OUTCOME FOR HARNESS?

 

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Karrotsisback said:

Absolutely agree with you Brods,

On the exception to rule, saw Manawatu HRC are making it affordable, here is part of their ad.

Ever thought about racing a horse, but the cost has stopped you? Come and join the Manawatu Harness Racing Club to race 2 (yes 2!) horses for the very affordable price of $50 a month!

If you are a keen racegoer, & want to experience the thrill of ownership, then get in touch with Brian for further details

B Ahern - 027 280 3201 - bahern@xtra.co.nz

CROSSROADS - WHICH ROAD IS THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD FOR THE BEST FUTURE OUTCOME FOR HARNESS?

 

In the christchurch area Nigel Armstrong the Westview man, also makes it affordable with his syndication.

Andrew Fitzgerald also of Chch  with Off N Go Racing is also getting plenty oF people into horses also for a very small amount.

This is fantastic and gives all involved many thrills.

If anyone is interested both of them could fit you into a horse and enjoyment.

We also need others in with a bit of money to own and race horses or things are going to go south.

The costs do need to come down or stake money needs to increase quite a bit to attract newbies.

 

[Gospel of Judas]

On 29/08/2021 at 10:40 PM, Brodie said:

In the christchurch area Nigel Armstrong the Westview man, also makes it affordable with his syndication.

Andrew Fitzgerald also of Chch  with Off N Go Racing is also getting plenty oF people into horses also for a very small amount.

This is fantastic and gives all involved many thrills.

If anyone is interested both of them could fit you into a horse and enjoyment.

We also need others in with a bit of money to own and race horses or things are going to go south.

The costs do need to come down or stake money needs to increase quite a bit to attract newbies.

 

All my freinds with serious money, don't want anything to do with Racing both forms. Too fishy, corrupt, scammers, drug horses  and overcharge. Are reasons I have heard. Only way industry going survive is with syndication. Don't see many outright or only couple people sharing horse moving forward.

[Chief Stipe]

5 hours ago, Gospel of Judas said:

Too fishy, corrupt, scammers, drug horses  and overcharge. Are reasons I have heard

So you've corrected their misconceptions?  Or do you feed them?

[Gospel of Judas]

9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

So you've corrected their misconceptions?  Or do you feed them?

Would like too,however been ripped off by ones in Racing before. So, what call not got strong hand in that one. Between lot of them, imported last year for own use as general play horses, good around 800-1 million worth.

[Karrotsisback]

See Menangle tonight has been postponed til Monday.

The Covid scare.

[Huey]

On 1/09/2021 at 10:49 PM, Gospel of Judas said:

All my freinds with serious money, don't want anything to do with Racing both forms. Too fishy, corrupt, scammers, drug horses  and overcharge. Are reasons I have heard. Only way industry going survive is with syndication. Don't see many outright or only couple people sharing horse moving forward.

There are alot of people who venture into racing who get a slow one and think they have been scammed, racing can be a very long game.

[Gospel of Judas]

4 hours ago, Huey said:

There are alot of people who venture into racing who get a slow one and think they have been scammed, racing can be a very long game.

Not really that, can see odds say one in ten geting one pays all bills or makes money, not worth the risk. Don't want start with fortune, end with a smaller fortune!

[Huey]

9 hours ago, Gospel of Judas said:

Not really that, can see odds say one in ten geting one pays all bills or makes money, not worth the risk. Don't want start with fortune, end with a smaller fortune!

No different than several other expensive experience, I've had terrible holidays, cars I haven't been happy with etc etc etc all about the experience,  not to mention it can be very character building .

See alot of owners who come into the sport think getting a Winx or Luxury Liner is normal when we all know its anything but.

[the galah]

On 29/08/2021 at 3:14 PM, Gammalite said:

 

  

Australian racing is DOMINATED by the the BARRIER draw too. Tactics are almost always decided on by where the horses draw. drivers converse and know who is going to lead before they go off *usually.*  Whittaker , a junior from NZ , had a drive or 2 at Brisbane recently, and didn't understand that, and looked a complete goose. (Took on the fav who had drawn one for the lead, and then ran last) 

I've come round to your way of thinking gammalite.After keeping records and analysing every harness race in queensland in the last 3 months,i think its fair to conclude that its not worth the time and effort to follow queensland harness. I spent a lot of money,yet only have come out just ahead. Hardly worthwhile given the time involved.

The reason for that is so many of the better chances are driven to simply follow them around if they don't get a top draw.The horses themselves are consistent,but apart from the top 6 or 7 drivers i liked,its extremely hard to tell whether the rest were trying.Maybe they are just waiting to back them themselves.

This last week i backed 7. All were well favored,and apart from 1,everyone of them immediately made a direct line for 4,5 and 6 back the fence,where they stayed well held until the finish. 

How can harness racing prosper in queensland if this is how the races are run.Its fair to say i expected better.

As regards the drivers. I know a couple of months ago i questioned the honesty of a couple of the barnes and criticised the other barnes for his tactical sense,but i have concluded that they may only look dishonest,and its possible its just a lack of driving skills that makes them look bad.And yes b barnes was driving the one that i backed today.Maybe i should give him credit for immediately being able to get 6  back the fence from the outside of the second line draw. At least he tried earlier this week on the horse rock fisherman,who paid $3,after 2 very negative previous drives when paying $30,but maybe that was his plan all along.Its very hard to tell.

So i won't comment in the future on queensland harness racing or their drivers. I'll turn the page.But i am thankful that nz drivers have a higher degree of competitiveness. I have confidence that when punters spend their money here,win or lose,at least they know the intent of everyone driving is to do as well as they can.

[Gammalite]

30 minutes ago, the galah said:

I've come round to your way of thinking gammalite.After keeping records and analysing every harness race in queensland in the last 3 months,i think its fair to conclude that its not worth the time and effort to follow queensland harness. I spent a lot of money,yet only have come out just ahead. Hardly worthwhile given the time involved.

The reason for that is so many of the better chances are driven to simply follow them around if they don't get a top draw.The horses themselves are consistent,but apart from the top 6 or 7 drivers i liked,its extremely hard to tell whether the rest were trying.Maybe they are just waiting to back them themselves.

This last week i backed 7. All were well favored,and apart from 1,everyone of them immediately made a direct line for 4,5 and 6 back the fence,where they stayed well held until the finish. 

How can harness racing prosper in queensland if this is how the races are run.Its fair to say i expected better.

As regards the drivers. I know a couple of months ago i questioned the honesty of a couple of the barnes and criticised the other barnes for his tactical sense,but i have concluded that they may only look dishonest,and its possible its just a lack of driving skills that makes them look bad.And yes b barnes was driving the one that i backed today.Maybe i should give him credit for immediately being able to get 6  back the fence from the outside of the second line draw. At least he tried earlier this week on the horse rock fisherman,who paid $3,after 2 very negative previous drives when paying $30,but maybe that was his plan all along.Its very hard to tell.

So i won't comment in the future on queensland harness racing or their drivers. I'll turn the page.But i am thankful that nz drivers have a higher degree of competitiveness. I have confidence that when punters spend their money here,win or lose,at least they know the intent of everyone driving is to do as well as they can.

 I agree it isn't a great betting medium (Brisbane trots) as they more or less wait for a good draw to go for the win. 

Don't forget , These horses race week to week and are not many are set for features or anything , or even a punt really , like we used to do. They just pay their way with lower prizemoney than NZ. same drivers drive the same tactics  over the same distances Boring. As Brodster says really.

You can still punt and win. I don't watch them often these days at all ( I bet Victoria gallops generally with a system) but last Tuesday had a look at Albion and tipped some for Karrots . I got 50% of the TAB quaddie by just taking the kiwi breds with good drivers . It was three Bettor's Delight and BLACK HAWK JOE , who is a visotor who has hung around for good interstate trainer Rickie Alchin. 

So was (Let's hustle (McMullen), Wholelottarosie (Dixon) , Recipe forDreamin (McMullen) , and BlackHawk Joe) . $275 for 50c . Just take kiwibreds with Leading Drivers !!!!!!!!!  a proven formula I always use.   might take one tomorrow now lol.........

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

 I agree it isn't a great betting medium (Brisbane trots) as they more or less wait for a good draw to go for the win. 

Don't forget , These horses race week to week and are not many are set for features or anything , or even a punt really , like we used to do. They just pay their way with lower prizemoney than NZ. same drivers drive the same tactics  over the same distances Boring. As Brodster says really.

You can still punt and win. I don't watch them often these days at all ( I bet Victoria gallops generally with a system) but last Tuesday had a look at Albion and tipped some for Karrots . I got 50% of the TAB quaddie by just taking the kiwi breds with good drivers . It was three Bettor's Delight and BLACK HAWK JOE , who is a visotor who has hung around for good interstate trainer Rickie Alchin. 

So was (Let's hustle (McMullen), Wholelottarosie (Dixon) , Recipe forDreamin (McMullen) , and BlackHawk Joe) . $275 for 50c . Just take kiwibreds with Leading Drivers !!!!!!!!!  a proven formula I always use.   might take one tomorrow now lol.........

Yes,sticking to the drivers that try seems of greater importance than the horses abilities.

That b barnes drive in the last race today. The horse was 2nd favorite. Sitting in the 1/1 going round the first bend with the favorite outside him going forward 3 wide.Whats he do. Restrains it hard to go 4 back the fence following the horse paying $80. He had no intention of ever trying and knew what he was doing.