Looking after CD owners .

[nomates]

So NZTR are at it again , owners in the CD are getting short changed again . Hawera on Friday , mdn 1200 has 28 nom's but no suggestion of splitting , 14 horse max so can make 2 fields . They are splitting the R65 1600 with 27 nom's , the R65's have an option of going 1340 or R74 1600 at Wanganui next day , but the mdn 1200 horses have to wait for Woodville next week , now it is 3 weeks since these horses last had an opportunity to run with covid shutting us down , but rather than reward owners by splitting the race they are snubbing their noses at them and saying just wait and spend more money whilst doing so . 

They are an arrogant bunch of Twats , simply no respect for owners , 10k that's all it would take to put this extra race on . This would be saying THANKYOU for sticking in there thru these tough times , but no , more go fuck yourselfs .

Seriously why do people bother any more .

[Chief Stipe]

16 minutes ago, nomates said:

They are an arrogant bunch of Twats , simply no respect for owners , 10k that's all it would take to put this extra race on . This would be saying THANKYOU for sticking in there thru these tough times , but no , more go fuck yourselfs .

$10k out of how much they haven't paid out in the stakes for the last two weeks?!

[MaltedMilkshake]

Honestly, why would you people?  THEY only want racing in the area north of Taupo...CD is finished.  Watching the death of a beautiful, old friend is devastating...but that’s NZ racing...

[Joe Bloggs]

Add up the monthly salaries of Saundry and co, the decision makers, not the hive bees, the ones that do all the work, Saundry couldn't organise a one ticket raffle, I'm not sure who is meant to do the programming as the rats nest in Petone is like a mad woman breakfast, but whoever it is doesn't give a cuss, as NM said........the only thing I will add is, vote with your feet, a lot have of course, it's all well and good to say ''we do it for love'' that's why those low lives are still there doing what they do......bringing heartache to the decent coalface people......what an effen disaster this all is......Te Akau have huge numbers in everywhere, if  you're a CD owner you'd be entitled to be a tad pissed if you missed a slot to the factory or other Northern desperates.......but that's whats coming........

[Ultra]

Looked shocking, so checked the noms.

There is actually already 2 Maiden 1200m races, one restricted to 3yo's.

Of 28 noms, 10 are double acceptors for the 3yo Maiden. Total 33 horses for the 2 races.

 

 

 

[nomates]

Somehow managed to miss the 3yo mdn so my bad , unfortunately i can be quick on the draw when it comes to thinking they have dudded the owners , they have a history . I still believe they could have left nom's open for the mdn 1200 and said they would split if they got more nom's .

The problem now is some 3yo's will pay up for both and the ones with points will get 2 chances with the barriers because at worst only 1 will be on the ballot in the 3yo . Then if draw poor in the 3yo run in the open mdn meaning some older mdns will miss . 

Some will say i want it all and maybe that is true but the ALL isn't that much at best .

[Ultra]

I agree, issue of 3yos paying up for both.

It would have been better to call for noms for Maiden 1200m, and then split by 3yos, or F&M/C&G as conditions, so that opportunity to run was maximised.

[Joe Bloggs]

You can't defend the indefensible  NM.........the big issue is the lack of racing for maidens before lockdown, and general programming, it's damning, there is clear bias toward the Cartel up north, always was, always will be. When the Awapuni AWT goes in it will give them more ammo to scale back, many horses will NOT handle the AWT, and as it ages as it did at Geelong the kickback will deter even more horses from chasing and being competitive ........CD racing is going backward and won't change, it's too late, far too late, the salary men are safe, the boys club will continue and a lot of horses will be retired through lack of opportunity.

[Huey]

Not only that , but the clown show has trials on up north the same day , so plenty of riders won't be heading to the Hawera meeting and going to the trials. Looking at the noms you'd think the races were put on for those up north at any rate with stables from up that way nominating plenty.

[nomates]

22 minutes ago, Ultra said:

I agree, issue of 3yos paying up for both.

It would have been better to call for noms for Maiden 1200m, and then split by 3yos, or F&M/C&G as conditions, so that opportunity to run was maximised.

Far too sensible , you need to offer your services .

[Huey]

3 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

You can't defend the indefensible  NM.........the big issue is the lack of racing for maidens before lockdown, and general programming, it's damning, there is clear bias toward the Cartel up north, always was, always will be. When the Awapuni AWT goes in it will give them more ammo to scale back, many horses will NOT handle the AWT, and as it ages as it did at Geelong the kickback will deter even more horses from chasing and being competitive ........CD racing is going backward and won't change, it's too late, far too late, the salary men are safe, the boys club will continue and a lot of horses will be retired through lack of opportunity.

Those up North are running the show JB, no doubt about that. One stable in particular , no prizes for guessing. 

It truly is an almighty mess , they couldn't get races going during Level 4 like their Aus counterparts supposedly because our lockdown restrictions were so much more severe , doesn't look much better in L3 .

[nomates]

3 minutes ago, Huey said:

Not only that , but the clown show has trials on up north the same day , so plenty of riders won't be heading to the Hawera meeting and going to the trials. Looking at the noms you'd think the races were put on for those up north at any rate with stables from up that way nominating plenty.

I see a lot of the horses nom'd for both mdns at Hawera are nom'd for the Te Rapa mdn , i does make it tough that's why they should have left nom's open at Hawera . Will be interesting to see which horses will pay up for all 3 , they will probably be asked to make a first choice , well hopefully .

Plus with a lot of those 3yo's from up north they get so many more opportunities to gain a trial win which gives them an advantage in gaining a start .

[Huey]

1 minute ago, nomates said:

I see a lot of the horses nom'd for both mdns at Hawera are nom'd for the Te Rapa mdn , i does make it tough that's why they should have left nom's open at Hawera . Will be interesting to see which horses will pay up for all 3 , they will probably be asked to make a first choice , well hopefully .

Plus with a lot of those 3yo's from up north they get so many more opportunities to gain a trial win which gives them an advantage in gaining a start .

They'll still get 8-10 at hawera in mdn 1200, plenty enough to justify having a race. 

[nomates]

10 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

You can't defend the indefensible  NM.........the big issue is the lack of racing for maidens before lockdown, and general programming, it's damning, there is clear bias toward the Cartel up north, always was, always will be. When the Awapuni AWT goes in it will give them more ammo to scale back, many horses will NOT handle the AWT, and as it ages as it did at Geelong the kickback will deter even more horses from chasing and being competitive ........CD racing is going backward and won't change, it's too late, far too late, the salary men are safe, the boys club will continue and a lot of horses will be retired through lack of opportunity.

Have to be honest Joe , i haven't seen the kick back at the Cambridge A/W that i see at the Victorian tracks , geez some of those poor horses over there cop a gobful of sand coming back at them .

As for the Awapuni A/W it certainly will struggle , simply because we don't have the numbers , same at Riccarton . But Trainers don't care as they are getting a state of the art training track at all 3 venues , that's all that matters , and i'm sure the powers that be aren't worried either as it wasn't their money and it helps with the long game of centralization . Especially in the CD and CHCH .

[nomates]

2 minutes ago, Huey said:

They'll still get 8-10 at hawera in mdn 1200, plenty enough to justify having a race. 

Exactly , even if no more nom and they all pay up then you could have a 9 and a 10 horse open mdn , after the lockdown they should be rewarding the owners , plus it gets horses fitter to go forward sooner into the spring , it's not like they haven't saved plenty in stakes over the last 2 weeks .

Plus they can put up 20k for 5/6 horse jump races on a regular basis this winter , so step up .

[nomates]

Well so much for all that debate , after getting an 11 horse field for the 3yo mdn , 7 scr leaving 4 , 6 northern horses scr'd , most had been accepted for that many races this week that some owners had to take out mortgages to cover nom and acceptance fees . Not a good look , fortunately i think we can put this down to the Covid squeeze , not usual to have quite so many options available in such a small window .

[Chief Stipe]

5 hours ago, nomates said:

Well so much for all that debate , after getting an 11 horse field for the 3yo mdn , 7 scr leaving 4 , 6 northern horses scr'd , most had been accepted for that many races this week that some owners had to take out mortgages to cover nom and acceptance fees . Not a good look , fortunately i think we can put this down to the Covid squeeze , not usual to have quite so many options available in such a small window .

Why would you?  When you can wait one day, not travel as far and race for $15k instead of $12k.  Or the other option being to roll dice and see if you could sneak into the two listed 3yr old races at Whanganui for $30k and $60k respectively.

 

[Doomed]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

  Or the other option being to roll dice and see if you could sneak into the two listed 3yr old races at Whanganui for $30k and $60k respectively.

 

You hardly had to sneak into those two $60,000 races when one has a 9 horse field with 6 maidens and the other 13 horses with 8 maidens.

[Chief Stipe]

47 minutes ago, Doomed said:

You hardly had to sneak into those two $60,000 races when one has a 9 horse field with 6 maidens and the other 13 horses with 8 maidens.

Again I should have used the sarcasm font.  Again a case for dropping the stakes on the Grp and Listed races and upping the lower grades.

[Doomed]

15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Again I should have used the sarcasm font.  Again a case for dropping the stakes on the Grp and Listed races and upping the lower grades.

Yes, they really haven't got the stakes distribution right.  6 horses going around in a $30,000 rating 74 at Ashburton, 8 and 9 horses in a couple of $40,000 open races. No better up north. 7 horses in an $80,000 race at Te Rapa. Mostly maidens in 3yo listed races at Wanganui.

Some have said NZTR didn't even want to increase the $10,000 basic stakes and wanted to put it all into Group races. They really don't seem to have any idea to be honest.

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, Doomed said:

Yes, they really haven't got the stakes distribution right.  6 horses going around in a $30,000 rating 74 at Ashburton, 8 and 9 horses in a couple of $40,000 open races. No better up north. 7 horses in an $80,000 race at Te Rapa. Mostly maidens in 3yo listed races at Wanganui.

How are they going to make revenue on those races?

[Huey]

9 hours ago, Doomed said:

Yes, they really haven't got the stakes distribution right.  6 horses going around in a $30,000 rating 74 at Ashburton, 8 and 9 horses in a couple of $40,000 open races. No better up north. 7 horses in an $80,000 race at Te Rapa. Mostly maidens in 3yo listed races at Wanganui.

Some have said NZTR didn't even want to increase the $10,000 basic stakes and wanted to put it all into Group races. They really don't seem to have any idea to be honest.

That problem doesn't just sit with them, it's the advice they get that keeps the distribution like this. You only have to look at who benefits from it to understand it.

[Freda]

9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

How are they going to make revenue on those races?

I don't think revenue is 'made' on any TB races at the present time.       Less is lost on the smaller stakes, that's all.

[Chief Stipe]

40 minutes ago, Freda said:

I don't think revenue is 'made' on any TB races at the present time.       Less is lost on the smaller stakes, that's all.

That has been said for a long time but it doesn't make sense.

The Pokie money goes straight to the RIB (what an unfortunate acronym!) and sports betting revenue goes to each sport that has a national association.

That leaves export and import of racing.  Is there that much profit from these revenue streams?

 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Huey said:

That problem doesn't just sit with them, it's the advice they get that keeps the distribution like this. You only have to look at who benefits from it to understand it.

Who does benefit?  Going on the tenor of many of your posts on this Topic I guess you are saying Te Akau.  But do they have that much influence on Stake distribution?   The question is what is the process for deciding and who sits at the table.  Surely that is a transparent process?