Chief Stipe Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 NZ Matamata - 11 Races - 11:27am start - $132,000 Stakes Ashburton - 11 Races - 11:43am start - $132,000 Stakes Total Stakes NZ: $264,000 average $12,000 OZ Kensington - 7 Races - 3:25pm start - $380,100 Stakes average $54,300 Sandown Lakeside - 8 Races - 3:00pm start - $434,400 average $54,300 Doomben - 8 Races - 2:33pm start - $308,400 average $38,550 Gawler - 7 Races - 3:50pm start - $165,900 average $23,700 Belmont - 8 Races - 5:14pm start - $222,800 average $27,850 Total Stakes OZ: $1,511,600 average $39,780 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 Are the OZ meetings "Premier Meetings"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Are the OZ meetings "Premier Meetings"? I think Sandown sort of is. Usually attracts a better class of horse and rider on Wednesdays. Stakes are always higher. Sydneys meeting the same on Wednesdays. Probably not premier meetings, but definitely one rung below. Anyway thats how I understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I was starting to enjoy the days offering until the greyhounds jumped in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Pools in NZ are certainly looking smaller? than usual, thought there might have been a pick up given the break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, Huey said: Pools in NZ are certainly looking smaller? than usual, thought there might have been a pick up given the break. They are looking a bit on the skinny side . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 hours ago, aquaman said: I think Sandown sort of is. Usually attracts a better class of horse and rider on Wednesdays. Stakes are always higher. Sydneys meeting the same on Wednesdays. Probably not premier meetings, but definitely one rung below. Anyway thats how I understand it. Ok well I must have put too much reverse swing on that ball as it has gone through to the keeper just missing off. In sarcasm font I was making an oblique comment that the average stake across OZ today was equivalent to NZ Premier days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Ok well I must have put too much reverse swing on that ball as it has gone through to the keeper just missing off. In sarcasm font I was making an oblique comment that the average stake across OZ today was equivalent to NZ Premier days. Oz have the revenue from racing to support their stakes today. NZ doesn't have the revenue to support the stakes you cite.They need to be reduced. I thought that was the point? I missed it as well then. Edited September 1, 2021 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, curious said: Oz have the revenue from racing to support their stakes today. NZ doesn't have the revenue to support the stakes you cite.They need to be reduced. I thought that was the point? I missed it as well then. Well we are a week and a half away from the $220k Grp one at Hastings. So there must be revenue coming from somewhere. $600k up for grabs on that day including a $40k maiden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Are the OZ meetings "Premier Meetings"? Hi Chief, The Wednesday Victoria meetings are 'Metro' meetings so of course are gunna be way better stakemoney than NZ. Sandown on today , and loving it . every year through winter the apprentices get swags of winners with the 2 and 3 kilos off , (and then Very Unfortunately nearly disappear when ride out claim) like POY and GERMAN last year. heaps of winners then , hard to get a ride now. Will PRICE starting to dry up ,as claim reduces . Cartwright has been brilliant . the girls today , Madison, Tahlia , Alana all getting good rides with claims . he real DEEL in the last with Carleen looks good too. Horses with 3 kilos less on their backs Must be able to perform better . love it. More claims the merrier !! easy to pick then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Hi Chief, The Wednesday Victoria meetings are 'Metro' meetings so of course are gunna be way better stakemoney than NZ. What about the other four meetings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What about the other four meetings? Well yes Doomben too, any midweek meeting that the BRC brisbane racing club run are 'higher' level METRO stakes meetings . First starter maidens accepted have to be rating 59 . Randwick as well midweek are 'metro' meetings as opposed to 'country'. so country would be NZ level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Well yes Doomben too, any midweek meeting that the BRC brisbane racing club run are 'higher' level METRO stakes meetings . First starter maidens accepted have to be rating 59 . Randwick as well midweek are 'metro' meetings as opposed to 'country'. so country would be NZ level. So what does that make Cranbourne tomorrow with a minimum stake of $38,000? Or Albury on Friday with a minimum of $26,100? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: So what does that make Cranbourne tomorrow with a minimum stake of $38,000? A country meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Gammalite said: A country meeting. WOW! So why the hell is NZ running a special conditions maiden at Hastings on the first day of their spring carnival at $40k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 Or another angle - what is the difference in class between the R65 1400m today at Matamata and the equivalent race at Whanganui on Saturday? The race at Matamata was $12k and Whanganui is $30k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: WOW! So why the hell is NZ running a special conditions maiden at Hastings on the first day of their spring carnival at $40k? sounds a great idea.!! lap it up . Hope the best maidens around get a run and make up a good field for you (the punter) and best of luck to the runner's owners. I would imagine paying the training fees as a group of owners would be WAY CHEAPER in NZ , as to what it is in Oz to train a galloper. so they need to race for more money here than NZ to try and return a profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gammalite said: sounds a great idea.!! lap it up . Hope the best maidens around get a run and make up a good field for you (the punter) and best of luck to the runner's owners. Have you thought about applying for an admin position in NZ racing? You seem to have all the current selection criteria!! Another question - if the $40k maiden had been $20k instead would the field of maidens being any weaker? Would it change the punting proposition? Would it be more likely to pay its way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 35 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Have you thought about applying for an admin position in NZ racing? You seem to have all the current selection criteria!! Another question - if the $40k maiden had been $20k instead would the field of maidens being any weaker? Would it change the punting proposition? Would it be more likely to pay its way? I think you need to make some races for more prestigious , a name race , that owners can aspire too. Australia gone mad with this sort of thing Golden Rose, Everest, Kosiusko , golden Eagle. The prize money is sort of important depending how much it costs to keep a runner in training. You need a chance of being 'In front' . The punter likes to bet on 'Form ' runners . EXAMPLE so you need lots of race winners to get form on the board (to keep punters and owners happy)!!! , so is better to have say 2 x 10 horse fields (thus 2 horses adding to their winning form) also 2 lots of owners winning and keeping enthusiastic too !! than having one 14 -16 horse field with emergencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: the girls today , Madison, Tahlia , Alana all getting good rides with claims . he real DEEL in the last with Carleen looks good too. Horses with 3 kilos less on their backs Must be able to perform better . love it. More claims the merrier !! easy to pick then. Unfortunately Carleen 2nd on He's The Real DEEL in the last at Sandown so lost a win bet, but Madison Lloyd , the other lass claiming 3 kg, got the chockies for a $25 Quinella with Frankie Pinot. nice ! Doesn't the weight relief make a huge difference with these fine steeds ?? time to crack a pinot I think ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: Doesn't the weight relief make a huge difference with these fine steeds ?? time to crack a pinot I think ! Nope. Just shortens the price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Gammalite said: I would imagine paying the training fees as a group of owners would be WAY CHEAPER in NZ , as to what it is in Oz to train a galloper. so they need to race for more money here than NZ to try and return a profit. AH ! no , i believe Te Akau have just gone to $90 per day + GST , not a lot cheaper than some of the big Aus stables . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 `Yeahh, costs have to be similar. Stakes here have to be way less because that's what we can afford based on revenue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospel of Judas Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, nomates said: AH ! no , i believe Te Akau have just gone to $90 per day + GST , not a lot cheaper than some of the big Aus stables . Wonder how great David Ellis, going spin that good one to his owners? Edited September 1, 2021 by Gospel of Judas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, nomates said: AH ! no , i believe Te Akau have just gone to $90 per day + GST , not a lot cheaper than some of the big Aus stables . Although surely that is a good deal for the absolute Best in the country?. Big gap back to the others? So many of the leading barns in Aus would be around $1000 a week in full racing mode. I would think with endless near million dollar yearling purchases looking for a home these days. Think Waller has 800 odd horses (and over 100 staff) on the books ,and Gollan in Bris has too. Snowdens, Freemans, Hawkes, Waterhouse , etc most would be double NZ in charges. would have to be about $500 a week for Nz racehorse roughly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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