Racing Today 1 September 2021 - 2 NZ and 5 OZ meetings.

[nomates]

5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

But didn't the NZ TAB show an increase in turnover during the last lockdown?  That being part of the reason for a slightly improved result turnover wise?

 

So we were told , have been known to tell a few porkies .

[nomates]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Absolutely no difference for me getting bets on (80 odd bets since Wednesday) Don't see why Covid would change that.

Ok , a bit slack can you try and double that today .

[nomates]

57 minutes ago, curious said:

I think if they can't be bothered, especially in lock down, we certainly shouldn't be relying on them.

Well the way small punters have been treated the last 10 years they have every reason to not be bothered , kicked from pillar to post . I think the big nods at the TAB have woken up to the fact that they needed them , but too late . 

[Freda]

14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

But didn't the NZ TAB show an increase in turnover during the last lockdown?  That being part of the reason for a slightly improved result turnover wise?

 

I think so, yes.

And all the b/s about the  'hit'  taken by the TAB never  mentioned no stakes paid out while Aus racing was followed with enthusiasm. 

[Chief Stipe]

8 minutes ago, Freda said:

And all the b/s about the  'hit'  taken by the TAB never  mentioned no stakes paid out while Aus racing was followed with enthusiasm. 

The "hit" was taken by the rank and file stakeholders.

[curious]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

A large portion of our punters are just working class low wage earners , go into any pubtab or TAB and have a look around , large majority go to the TAB and bet thru a few hours , especially in pub tabs , i see a large number just walk into my TAB and put their bets on for the day then go home to watch .

The change to minimum cost bets on phone bet stopped people having them and either stopping or just putting a few on at start of the day .

A lot of low wage earners don't have credit cards so even if they do have phone accts can't top up .

So if people can't access putting bets on at start of day or access topping up accts then i can see how it would impact turnover .

I'm not saying this is the full answer but i can see it being in some way part of it .

I hope .

Yes, fair comment. They may not have credit cards but neither do I. Everyone surely has a debit card though. You can't exactly pop down to your local pubtab abd cash a check anymore. You'd think the TAB would have (at least since last year's lockdown, identified regular punters who may be in this situation and aimed some education/ promotion there if as a group, they are important as customers.

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, curious said:

You'd think the TAB would have (at least since last year's lockdown, identified regular punters who may be in this situation and aimed some education/ promotion there if as a group, they are important as customers.

Do you really think they would do that?  It is apparent that the TAB doesn't do any user requirements and acceptance testing for the website or the app.  Although I guess they don't have much say in what they are delivered.

I have spent many an hour getting older and technically challenged punters set up to use the TAB app and/or website.  Got the nickname Doug 'dot' Com.  Recently I haven't had the time or have been constrained by lockdown to help them.  I've struggled with some of the recent interface changes so I can imagine they have really struggled or given up.  I found the change to how you input your stake on a tote bet non intuitive to say the least.  I imagine the old timers have just stuck to Fixed Odds betting.

[curious]

Haven't had a tote bet so don't know about that but I use fixed staking FOB and haven't yet figured out how to get it to automatically enter that stake each time I bet like you can with other provider interfaces so have to manually enter for each bet or copy paste.

 

[aquaman]

I'v been putting bets on through my account for a neighbour who is a died in the wool go to the TAB and bet punter. He bets everyday on anything, gallops, dogs, trots. But since the lockdown he's a fish out of water. How many others like him. Has no computer and is strictly old school. When I visit my local TAB branch which is the Bishopdale Tavern here in CH CH, there is always people in there turning over cash, so I wonder how much of this business is lost to the TAB. Also a fair chunk of revenue comes from Pub Pokies, these would all be shut down now, and some of those addicted punters will probably break their habit with these forced lockdowns.

[nomates]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Yes, fair comment. They may not have credit cards but neither do I. Everyone surely has a debit card though. You can't exactly pop down to your local pubtab abd cash a check anymore. You'd think the TAB would have (at least since last year's lockdown, identified regular punters who may be in this situation and aimed some education/ promotion there if as a group, they are important as customers.

As i said a large proportion of the TAB customer base is not highly educated , unlike yourself . I still see plenty of people at my TAB  putting bets on and money into their acct's using cash .

[nomates]

1 hour ago, curious said:

You'd think the TAB would have (at least since last year's lockdown, identified regular punters who may be in this situation and aimed some education/ promotion there if as a group, they are important as customers.

They are incredibly important , only not to the TAB . To their cost .

[nomates]

1 hour ago, aquaman said:

How many others like him

Thousands , but to the TAB they are just the great unwashed .

[Bloke]

5 hours ago, nomates said:

Thousands , but to the TAB they are just the great unwashed .

Agreed, same with Weaver when he came in and screwed up the racing calendar. He said he did not need the punter who walks around with a Best Bets poking out of his back pocket. Instead of punting he had all the posers and A listers standing around with  wine glasses in their hands and having selfies taken.

The  Best Bets punters pissed off as directed by Weaver and many of the Posers moved on to other "on trend" social occasions.  The Auckland Cup run on a Wednesday in March was just about  down to  Weaver and the barman in attendance.  Meanwhile NZTR stood by and did nothing. A great racing day well and truly fucked up. 

[Gospel of Judas]

Do wonder  how much turnover they have lost from PubTab's and Branches money going into the pot. Say it is abit more than most people think. Many people can't do technology, are in town, by local-put bets on manually , just like going in for some people on people interaction and just like geting out of the house go somewhere.

Not everyone is someone like myself in my 30's can use all forms of tech, smartphones, laptops and Visa Debit or creditcards. Extremely well and are very comforted in their use.

[nomates]

11 minutes ago, Gospel of Judas said:

Not everyone is someone like myself in my 30's can use all forms of tech, smartphones, laptops and Visa Debit or creditcards. Extremely well and are very comforted in their use.

But apparently that is where they think the future of racing lies .

[Gospel of Judas]

5 minutes ago, nomates said:

But apparently that is where they think the future of racing lies .

The thing is, think can just magically move everyone into that era. When not even doing anything for my 20-30 age group. Bar Boys Get Paid. But not really fan of that or who runs it.

[Gammalite]

On 9/1/2021 at 3:57 PM, Gammalite said:

Sandown on today , and loving it . every year through winter the apprentices get swags of winners with the 2 and 3 kilos off , (and then Very Unfortunately nearly disappear when ride out claim) like POY and GERMAN last year. heaps of winners then , hard to get a ride now.

Will PRICE starting to dry up ,as claim reduces . Cartwright has been brilliant

Well if Taupo didn't get the kiwi punters a winner some great racing at Sandown today to get rich. 

My mate Matty Cartwright already plucking the 3rd race at 8-1 with his claim. wahoo. Plenty of good claiming riders to get on today .Guinea's runner in the second last as well CAMBOURNE will be hardToBeat !

[Gammalite]

53 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Sandown on today , and loving it . every year through winter the apprentices get swags of winners with the 2 and 3 kilos off

Sugartown punted like it was already past the post in Race 5 Sandown. but when you get 3kg off like Madame Bolli did with her rider, home you go ! with 55kg on !! neat !