Noverre 2000 Guineas.

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, Huey said:

Despite that, surely its possible to use jumpouts /trials/trackwork  to guage what is ahead. Not the industry fault if NZTR haven't engaged enough to get a handle on this , perhaps its a job for the COO to look at , but as I've said before unless its a copy paste exercise there is no hope of it happening - largely because they haven't got a clue how it works, or simply do not care.

If trainers thought by them doing something they would get something out of it i.e. vote for races required at race meetings etc they would do it, I have no doubt about that, but that needs to be communicated to them by those running the show. Also by doing that they wouldn't be able to make it up as they go along for the benefit of a few in the industry which means it probably won't happen.

Absolute no innovation in our local industry , no new ideas too worried the establishment won't like them - thats one of the main reasons we are on the road to no where (not entirely true I guess oblivion is a destination).

This isn't a big job FFS.  It isn't as if there are that many trainers and horses in work in NZ.

What would be the total number of horses in work currently?

In the old days didn't the Club Secretary get on the old blower and ring around?

[Huey]

5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

This isn't a big job FFS.  It isn't as if there are that many trainers and horses in work in NZ.

What would be the total number of horses in work currently?

In the old days didn't the Club Secretary get on the old blower and ring around?

I agree it wouldn't be hard, but I think at present they use the thoughts of a few of the bigger stable and base it around that, well that appears to be the case. 

It wouldn't be hard to set up a system for it , but instead we get a 2yo race at Otaki that had 4 in yesterday, 6 in 2 years ago (no race last year cause of Covid) , 5 in 2 years prior to that - hello something is wrong !

[Doomed]

11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

This isn't a big job FFS.  It isn't as if there are that many trainers and horses in work in NZ.

What would be the total number of horses in work currently?

In the old days didn't the Club Secretary get on the old blower and ring around?

No incentive for the club to do that these days. The powers that be love it when a southern race only has 4 noms. They can just drop it and save $12,000. On the Cambridge AWT they leave the noms open and split them into two fields of 5. 

As people are saying above, this isn't rocket science. Programming 7 and 8 races doesn't help as it means they basically just programme the same races all the time and the same maidens and 65s get eliminated and balloted all the time. If you have a 65 horse with no form in Canty it is virtually impossible to get a start, even in a $12,000 race, but if you wanted to race in an 8 horse $40,000 rating 74 at Riccarton you could start as often as you like.

And after Cup Week there is no race-meeting anywhere near Canty for three weeks until the next Riccarton meeting on 3 Dec, no wonder they have to run maidens during Cup Week.

The bizarre thing is that this problem doesn't cost anything to solve, but it seems to be a combination of it not being a glamorous enough subject and no one having the actual skills to sort it out.

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, Doomed said:

The bizarre thing is that this problem doesn't cost anything to solve, but it seems to be a combination of it not being a glamorous enough subject and no one having the actual skills to sort it out.

If they don't have the skills to sort it out then they shouldn't be in racing administration.  Mills for one is well past his use by date.  I've said before he is either incompetent or has no ambition.  I suspect both.

[Huey]

29 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

If they don't have the skills to sort it out then they shouldn't be in racing administration.  Mills for one is well past his use by date.  I've said before he is either incompetent or has no ambition.  I suspect both.

and he is only the tip of the ice berg with that in mind ... plenty of others should have gone to pasture years ago, but the cash is too easy and the accountability near zero , perfect for many!!

[Joe Bloggs]

No doubt Freda has her own thoughts on the matter, however, to see the once mighty SI have only two representatives in the guineas is sad, well worse than sad, and not realistic chances either. Good on MP for having a throw at the stumps, but for Gods sake, you would think there would be 3yo's within the SI that would have been aimed at this race as their pinnacle.

Is it Riccarton? Has that track broken horses down? Have all the promising types been flogged off to HK or OZ? I know we can't live in the past, [as much as we'd like to] but those halcyon days of this NZ Cup carnival have long gone me thinks and it's all not down to Covid.

[Joe Bloggs]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

If they don't have the skills to sort it out then they shouldn't be in racing administration.  Mills for one is well past his use by date.  I've said before he is either incompetent or has no ambition.  I suspect both.

Isn't it strange how many racing administrators leave their positions under a cloud? That bloke from P North [RACE] for instance, he was the latest if I'm correct however the list would read like a telephone book if it was released, Mills is blessed, nothing worse than rewarding mediocrity, but he is either protected or the second coming........you choose.

[nomates]

3 hours ago, Huey said:

Despite that, surely its possible to use jumpouts /trials/trackwork  to guage what is ahead. Not the industry fault if NZTR haven't engaged enough to get a handle on this , perhaps its a job for the COO to look at , but as I've said before unless its a copy paste exercise there is no hope of it happening - largely because they haven't got a clue how it works, or simply do not care.

If trainers thought by them doing something they would get something out of it i.e. vote for races required at race meetings etc they would do it, I have no doubt about that, but that needs to be communicated to them by those running the show. Also by doing that they wouldn't be able to make it up as they go along for the benefit of a few in the industry which means it probably won't happen.

Absolute no innovation in our local industry , no new ideas too worried the establishment won't like them - thats one of the main reasons we are on the road to no where (not entirely true I guess oblivion is a destination).

You'd be surprised how many horses have a J/O and trial then head for the paddock , but even just going on those numbers we would be relying on someone in head office doing the numbers and getting it right , i believe that even that would be too big a task for them .

If trainers were expected to forward stable lists every 2 weeks with time frames for each individual with expected distance horse would race at then some sort of schedule could be kept . Maybe it could be done , maybe just too big a job for NZTR even at the numbers we have .

As you say tho no innovation and that has been lacking for many , many years . 

But as i have continually bashed on about if you get everyone who wants , to put forward ideas it can be amazing where the gems come from . This tho is the big problem , no one wants to ask the plebs , reason , shite scared of being shown up .

[nomates]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

If they don't have the skills to sort it out then they shouldn't be in racing administration.  Mills for one is well past his use by date.  I've said before he is either incompetent or has no ambition.  I suspect both.

He has reached his ambition , reached it years ago , very comfy thankyou , why would he want to exert himself anymore than he has to . BUT he is not the only one .

[nomates]

1 hour ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Isn't it strange how many racing administrators leave their positions under a cloud? That bloke from P North [RACE] for instance, he was the latest if I'm correct however the list would read like a telephone book if it was released, Mills is blessed, nothing worse than rewarding mediocrity, but he is either protected or the second coming........you choose.

More likely as in most instances a YES man , but aren't most industries the same .