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Forbury Drivers Challenge?????


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3 hours ago, Brodie said:

When there is a stinking hot favourite take them out,

Then frame it from there!

They can do anything with a bit of thought,

That's exactly what most overseas bookies would do, they always run a book without a red hotpot in the market alongside the full field variety, unfortunately nztab  20yrs behind the times.

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2 hours ago, Rangatira said:

seems too hard for brodie so let me open it to anyone reading

Resort but I believe it has gone through to the keeper with you , on this one!

Notging too hard for Brodie!

To get money invested on the Drivers Challenge all they had to do was take Dex out of the market, Blair as favourite and then whoever else that had a few drives in and then any other driver.

Doubt whether there would’ve been that much invested on the challenge initially!

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14 hours ago, Brodie said:

Resort but I believe it has gone through to the keeper with you , on this one!

Notging too hard for Brodie!

To get money invested on the Drivers Challenge all they had to do was take Dex out of the market, Blair as favourite and then whoever else that had a few drives in and then any other driver.

Doubt whether there would’ve been that much invested on the challenge initially!

which would make blair say 1.12 is that really that much more attractive than the dexter in option

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3 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

which would make blair say 1.12 is that really that much more attractive than the dexter in option

True, 

Many would have taken DD to bolster all ups, another 6%. 

But as Brodie said, NOTGING  TO HARD FOR BRODIE! ? He must be a red head.

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6 hours ago, Rangatira said:

which would make blair say 1.12 is that really that much more attractive than the dexter in option

Are you sure about that Rangatira?

There were other drivers who had good books as well like Robbie Close etc. 

He wouldn’t have been anywhere near as short as that!!!!!!!!!!!

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4 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Are you sure about that Rangatira?

There were other drivers who had good books as well like Robbie Close etc. 

He wouldn’t have been anywhere near as short as that!!!!!!!!!!!

i am extremely sure but feel free to show me the math behind your doubts

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57 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

i am extremely sure but feel free to show me the math behind your doubts

I obviously do not set the odds, but Blair would not have been as short as $1.12

Nathan and Matthew Williamson both had a good book of drives and there were others as well.

 

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2 minutes ago, Brodie said:

I obviously do not set the odds, but Blair would not have been as short as $1.12

Nathan and Matthew Williamson both had a good book of drives and there were others as well.

 

what odds would you have had close nathan matty and any other individual driver at brodie

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29 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said:

I would have had orange at $1.25 without dd, that's a decent multi booster

using the original market as a guide any other individual driver was 5 times less likely to win than blair so having blair at 1.25 would have any other individual driver at 6.25 and would enable brodie to back both options and win

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With respect Rangatira, I do not set the markets for fixed odds for harness racing.

It is not an exact science and most of the time the Bookies are just guessing and if there is a big punt then they either restrict the amount and then adjust the price.

The fact that any other driver may have been 5 times less likely to win than Blair has nothing to do,with it as the market was framed around Dexter clearly winning.

Matthew Williamson had a very good book of drives.

He had 2 wins which have him 6 points as to Blair’s 11 I think!

Matthew also had 4 fourths so he was close up several times but no points.

Had the fourth placed horses tried a bit harder then he would have finished very close to Blair even at least drawn.

Matthew Williamson and brother Nathan have won numerous drivers challenges over the years including a Forbury and I would be sure that there is no way that Blair would’ve been as short as $1.12 or thereabouts.

Only semantics anyway as it never happened.

 

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19 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

using the original market as a guide any other individual driver was 5 times less likely to win than blair so having blair at 1.25 would have any other individual driver at 6.25 and would enable brodie to back both options and win

I'm clearly no expert rangi,  but that was my dusty view, absolute piss poor option by the tab to run a fav at 1.06 without giving other options in that particular market.

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10 minutes ago, Brodie said:

With respect Rangatira, I do not set the markets for fixed odds for harness racing.

It is not an exact science and most of the time the Bookies are just guessing and if there is a big punt then they either restrict the amount and then adjust the price.

The fact that any other driver may have been 5 times less likely to win than Blair has nothing to do,with it as the market was framed around Dexter clearly winning.

Matthew Williamson had a very good book of drives.

He had 2 wins which have him 6 points as to Blair’s 11 I think!

Matthew also had 4 fourths so he was close up several times but no points.

Had the fourth placed horses tried a bit harder then he would have finished very close to Blair even at least drawn.

Matthew Williamson and brother Nathan have won numerous drivers challenges over the years including a Forbury and I would be sure that there is no way that Blair would’ve been as short as $1.12 or thereabouts.

Only semantics anyway as it never happened.

 

are you sober

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8 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said:

I'm clearly no expert rangi,  but that was my dusty view, absolute piss poor option by the tab to run a fav at 1.06 without giving other options in that particular market.

I am no expert either i was just using the tabs opinion and some maths

i would not consider backing dexter at 1.06 or blair at 1.25 with dexter out just not my kind of odds

nor would i back someone or their brother for that matter based on their drivers challenge history some of which happened at the track as its just not my kind of logic not saying is logic at all

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5 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

I am no expert either i was just using the tabs opinion and some maths

i would not consider backing dexter at 1.06 or blair at 1.25 with dexter out just not my kind of odds

nor would i back someone or their brother for that matter based on their drivers challenge history some of which happened at the track as its just not my kind of logic not saying is logic at all

Who brought up drivers challenge history? All I'm saying is why bother with a 1.06 shit odds, why not run a parallel book like a reputable bookie would do.

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1 minute ago, Flagship uberalles said:

Who brought up drivers challenge history? All I'm saying is why bother with a 1.06 shit odds, why not run a parallel book like a reputable bookie would do.

the point i am making is it would not look a hell of a lot different on this race and while fave out has merit this race may have been better suited to fave and second fave out based on the tabs original offering

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3 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

the point i am making is it would not look a hell of a lot different on this race and while fave out has merit this race may have been better suited to fave and second fave out based on the tabs original offering

There is an answer?

Don't just take one, take both. It would be more interesting.

If the the 3 Williamsons' had reasonably similar books you could have just those 3 or you could do a drivers challenge for those drivers south of the Waitaki so Dex n Blair miss out.

 

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Just now, Rangatira said:

the point i am making is it would not look a hell of a lot different on this race and while fave out has merit this race may have been better suited to fave and second fave out based on the tabs original offering

Maybe, not hard to do a few different markets rather than kill the option from the start...

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1 hour ago, Rangatira said:

are you sober

Totally Rangatira, but you could probably drive me to drink!

The fact is that Blair’s book of drives was not a helluva lot better than Mathew Williamson’s book of drives on paper.

The fact is that Blair is a gifted and talented reinsman,

The fact is that the Williamson’s would never have been at $5 in the Drivers Challenge if Dexter was taken out of the Fixed Odds market!!

The fact is that both of the  Williamson’s drive the Forbury track very well and are often favourites to take out drivers challenges when they drive down south, that is the point I was trying to make.

As I say semantics only and got nothing to do with the original posting!

 

 

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