Joe Bloggs Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Poor Princess Lowry, 3 runs in 4 weeks in her first racing prep, slaughtered last week By R Elliot, 3 wide the journey and still fought on for her Gr2 placing. Today, slaughtered by S McKay, 3 wide the journey and only just touched off in another G2. Owned by Rogie, the best thing he could do is send her to anyone in Oz, anyone, and watch her become an absolute champ........a long long time since I've seen a 3yo filly do what she has been asked to do and bloody nearly pulled it off today despite the efforts of the rider......FFS, can the riding get any worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 With your years of Group Race riding experience what should the Jockey have done differently today? Note the 2000m start at Ellerslie is a price of a start with a big field. A short mad dash to the tight bend on the rise out of the straight. Quite often when drawing midfield or worse and jumping well enough you end up wide in no man's land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 As Barry Gibbs said....."It was a farking TRAGEDY" and yes, I'm speaking through my kick against my better judgement as S McKay is riding like a drunken sailor. The stats don't lie. He is 61st in the premiership and is obviously lacking confidence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 Oh Bullshit, I'm speaking through my kick, I put my dosh where my mouth is, he had a chance to get in, and as I've told all my jocks, if you can't get in go forward, sit outside the leader if you have to, or go back if you're riding a non tugger.....but FFS make a decision, sitting out there 3 wide in a field of classy fillies was suicide, if he'd gone forward and sat a half length of the leader I've no doubt she would have won.......she was butchered last start as the jock just perched, sometimes Chief I think you just argue for the sake of it...... It's pissing down here on the coast, if the MM was on today, it wouldn't be......I'm off to walk the dog, and kick a tin along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: if you have to, or go back if you're riding a non tugger So pull back to last and give away 6 lengths or more. That would cost more than the extra distance covered sitting quietly 3 wide. Not much seems to be coming from off the pace today. Will be interesting to see where Levante is ridden. 26 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: if you can't get in go forward, sit outside the leader The risk with that is if those underneath you move forward as well. But probably the better option given how the track is playing. The times aren't too hot. As for making a decision the Jockey did - settle the horse and conserve energy. Who knows what the riding instructions have been..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Incredible runs by that filly the last two weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 Does Rogie not realise what he's got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 She may well be under offer already, he great grand dam is Deck The Halls, Rosehill Guineas winner, lovely family, so would be a beaut buy for the gazillionaires looking for the next Caulfield Cup winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbles Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 How many horses leave Rogerson and achieve.Not too many i can think of and how many does he sell with him in the ownership.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: Does Rogie not realise what he's got? Every horse Rogie has is a Champion because Rogie knows it and says so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Awful ride, put in a no win situation, just a shocker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Turny said: Awful ride, put in a no win situation, just a shocker Beaten a nose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Yes it was Chief. A nose, very similar to that one in your photo above and if I was within a length of you right now I'd shove a giant pick directly up your right nostril.......just for the hell of it. Wouldn't get me my investment on the horse that I lost back I know, but geez it would do you the world of good to have that oversized bagel muncher cleaned out. Have a good day and try not to sneeze. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Going to be interesting to watch the last at Tauranga today. A trial winner from a very inform stable, drawn two, having it's debut run. And an out of form jockey. Don't think it can beat the Te Akau horse, but you never know. This might be the start of the new era for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 55 minutes ago, KickintheKods said: Yes it was Chief. A nose, very similar to that one in your photo above and if I was within a length of you right now I'd shove a giant pick directly up your right nostril.......just for the hell of it. Wouldn't get me my investment on the horse that I lost back I know, but geez it would do you the world of good to have that oversized bagel muncher cleaned out. Have a good day and try not to sneeze. I take it you are a sore loser on the punt. I guess you didn't take insurance on your bet by nailing the $5.90 place money on offer. $5.90 being a great winning dividend in any punters books. Greed is not a good attribute for being a successful punter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I take it you are a sore loser on the punt. I guess you didn't take insurance on your bet by nailing the $5.90 place money on offer. $5.90 being a great winning dividend in any punters books. Greed is not a good attribute for being a successful punter. Chief, you completely miss the point, as you often do IMHO. Beaten a nose but a half decent ride would have won by 2 lengths. Would have sailed in for punters.com slaughter of the day .... and at Randwick or Flemington a 6 week holiday, in the principals 3 or 4 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Turny said: Beaten a nose but a half decent ride would have won by 2 lengths Rubbish. You are making a lot of assumptions about how the race would have played out. Perhaps it might have been two lengths if it had drawn 6 (which the winner did) instead of 10. As @Joe Bloggs said - two options pull back to last, risk the horse fighting you, then hope you get the gaps or be out in the car park turning for home. Second option use the gas and push forward for the lead hoping no one takes you on and that you can tough it for the rest of the race. He chose a third option - accepted he was planted three wide, hope someone moves forward to give you cover or relax the horse and conserve energy as best you can. Getting stuck 3 wide happens all the time at Ellerslie over 2000m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Rubbish. You are making a lot of assumptions about how the race would have played out. Perhaps it might have been two lengths if it had drawn 6 (which the winner did) instead of 10. As @Joe Bloggs said - two options pull back to last, risk the horse fighting you, then hope you get the gaps or be out in the car park turning for home. Second option use the gas and push forward for the lead hoping no one takes you on and that you can tough it for the rest of the race. He chose a third option - accepted he was planted three wide, hope someone moves forward to give you cover or relax the horse and conserve energy as best you can. Getting stuck 3 wide happens all the time at Ellerslie over 2000m. You have answered it for yourself 3 options and chose not to give his horse chance and sat 3 wide. Slaughter. Pretty basic Chief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 I agree with Turny, I started the thread as I was pissed off, as I usually am after a shocking brain dead ride. The pilot got the horse beat, this filly is way above average, I backed her at her second start when she was slaughtered and on the strength of that run and taking into account Rogie going hard at the stumps I backed up again yesterday at great each way odds. Yesterdays ride was a massacre of epic proportions, he rode one of mine last year, I told the trainer never again, he's just not improving, having said that, he's not Robinson Crusoe and just because this filly only went down a nose can you imagine ridden with cover? or even sitting just off the leader? Rogerson has a super talent with this young lady, however I'm hoping he sends her to AUS as she's a moral in the QLD Oaks, Tony Gollan, Lee Freedman it's a no brainer, there's a bloke that trained 5 MEL cup winners who would love a filly like her.......or to Melbourne and Mike Moroney, Patrick Payne, ......ah, if only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I take it you are a sore loser on the punt. I guess you didn't take insurance on your bet by nailing the $5.90 place money on offer. $5.90 being a great winning dividend in any punters books. Greed is not a good attribute for being a successful punter. It was my only loss in a four horse multi, my main betting option. It cost me in excess of $20,000 so yes, I am disappointed. However, my pain is fast disappearing from the jock and over to you, an absolute farking know it all on every subject. Now be a good little number cruncher and tell me the last twenty horses who sat three wide without cover over 2000 metres at Ellerslie that got beaten by a FARKING NOSE. That should shut you up for a month. Edited January 1, 2022 by KickintheKods 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: I agree with Turny, I started the thread as I was pissed off, as I usually am after a shocking brain dead ride. The pilot got the horse beat, this filly is way above average, I backed her at her second start when she was slaughtered and on the strength of that run and taking into account Rogie going hard at the stumps I backed up again yesterday at great each way odds. Yesterdays ride was a massacre of epic proportions, he rode one of mine last year, I told the trainer never again, he's just not improving, having said that, he's not Robinson Crusoe and just because this filly only went down a nose can you imagine ridden with cover? or even sitting just off the leader? Rogerson has a super talent with this young lady, however I'm hoping he sends her to AUS as she's a moral in the QLD Oaks, Tony Gollan, Lee Freedman it's a no brainer, there's a bloke that trained 5 MEL cup winners who would love a filly like her.......or to Melbourne and Mike Moroney, Patrick Payne, ......ah, if only. Have you looked at the sectionals for her races? They ran the first 1400m of the 2000m yesterday in 1:34. Probably enough reason to press forward. So even though she was wide she wasn't doing much. They ran home in 33. Typical of what we are seeing in our big races - walk, stack em up, sprint home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, KickintheKods said: Now be a good little number cruncher and tell me the last twenty horses who sat three wide without cover over 2000 metres at Ellerslie that got beaten by a FARKING NOSE. With or without cover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Turny Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 58 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Have you looked at the sectionals for her races? They ran the first 1400m of the 2000m yesterday in 1:34. Probably enough reason to press forward. So even though she was wide she wasn't doing much. They ran home in 33. Typical of what we are seeing in our big races - walk, stack em up, sprint home. So they almost break 11s for the last 3 furlongs and the pony that sat 3 wide for the entire race misses by a nose. That was one hell of an effort and she will be a tired wee pony today, just hope she can come thru this race in good order. How the jock doesn't get 6 weeks is beyond me and this type of effort is the sole reason I only bet at Randwick or Flemington, this was a super shit do nothing ride, a fcuken disgrace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 59 minutes ago, KickintheKods said: However, my pain is fast disappearing from the jock and over to you, an absolute farking know it all on every subject. So I express an alternative opinion as the reason for your hard luck story? Note that opinion would have been the presented as a reasonable explanation if the Jockey had been questioned by the Stipes. He wasn't. As I posted earlier if it had been NZ Harness then the Stipes would have questioned his decision making even betting records would have been analysed. As @Joe Bloggs has pointed out in OZ questions would have been asked and there have been a number of examples recently where JMac has been literally interrogated for his decision making. Arguably he being one of the best Jocks on the planet at this time. Perhaps you should now direct your ire at the Stipes who in my opinion are doing nothing to improve riding standards hence the carnage we are seeing. Horses are getting galloped on constantly because there is no pace in races. Surely a Jockey who slows a race to a canter in a Group race should have questions asked of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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