Chief Stipe Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 I guess the K3 Sale will be a windfall for the Knackers truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I guess the K3 Sale will be a windfall for the Knackers truck. They mostly head to Gavalhouse now . Some horses get more on there than they did if they went to Karaka for the K3 sale . NZB gets their blood any which way . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I guess the K3 Sale will be a windfall for the Knackers truck. Yes, that point was brought home to me yesterday, chatting with a training friend. I hadn't thought of it, but - as he said - wouldn't you think that breeders would be kicking up about the implications? Where will their 2nd and 3rd tier horses go, if the smaller trainer is squeezed out and the big shots have picked the eyes out pf the catalogues? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Freda said: Yes, that point was brought home to me yesterday, chatting with a training friend. I hadn't thought of it, but - as he said - wouldn't you think that breeders would be kicking up about the implications? Where will their 2nd and 3rd tier horses go, if the smaller trainer is squeezed out and the big shots have picked the eyes out pf the catalogues? The trouble with most breeders is they don't think their stock is going to end up in K3 , even taking into account the completely bias/rigged sales process. Most of them breed a horse and beleive the hype the stud sells thinking they have a product to compete at K1 or K2 level, when in reality they have anything but. They like a lot of owners/NZTR and many in the industry don't realise the fundamental law of the entire industry "there has to be losers , for there to be winners"! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 I was told by someone at the races yesterday the new COO is the person pushing this new initiative , what a future nzracing has ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Huey said: I was told by someone at the races yesterday the new COO is the person pushing this new initiative , what a future nzracing has ! Sounds like they've hooked another winner . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whyisit Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Huey said: I was told by someone at the races yesterday the new COO is the person pushing this new initiative , what a future nzracing has ! Is that person the brother to the public trainer or the new CEO that's being processed. A lot of the material in the drafts had been formulated sometime in or before June. 6 months later in comes to life. I can understand if its the former. I have no problem with the licencing being formalized to clarify problems that exists. And it looks as if a few will exist afterwards. I do have grave fears with the implementation of the CPD, CPD Development . The introduction of continuing professional development programmesEvery licenceholder will need to complete a certain level of continuing professional development, which may include performance standards, every year to be eligible to renew their licence. In setting CPD requirements NZTR will take into account industry experience and knowledge and, where appropriate, will recognize that participants can identify their own learning needs. It is intended that CPD will be introduced in stages over the next three years. This I fear can be abused. This is the wolf in sheeps clothing Edited January 9, 2022 by Whyisit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Whyisit said: This I fear can be abused Too true , if only by manipulation of the bar being set to whatever level they deem required depending what their goal is in any given situation , or with any individual they are dealing with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Forgive me if someone has already mentioned it(I have not read either the document nor all this string) but my impression is this is a commerce commission issue of anti competitive behaviour. Elite trainers will not longer have to compete......? Sounds awfully like price gouging to me. Just because someone is charging a lower rate does not mean they are giving lesser service or are less capable. One or two 'elite' trainers have been known to make noises about how they are moving to Aussie but have never actually got there preferring (I would presume) to remain a big fish in a small pond. They would be better off(as very prominent members of the industry) leading the charge to get NZTR more accountable than tolerating a suggestion that will unquestionably be the final nail in NZ Racing's coffin. There might be the odd mug who doesn't know they are being taken for a ride who will still take an ownership share but the people with their eyes open and a good deal of ownership experience are not going to tolerate whopping great fee increases. Do NZTR think we are all thick? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 No capital gains tax in NZ.......YET........there is here, so they are staying put, trading horses to Asia is where the big bucks are, nice little earn that, it should make you wonder why so many younger trainers are happy with their lot, but Benner summed it up, 'we sell.'.......so until Cinderella brings in the death, inheritance and capital gains taxes my guess is they will stay put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: No capital gains tax in NZ.......YET........there is here, so they are staying put, trading horses to Asia is where the big bucks are, nice little earn that, it should make you wonder why so many younger trainers are happy with their lot, but Benner summed it up, 'we sell.'.......so until Cinderella brings in the death, inheritance and capital gains taxes my guess is they will stay put. True no capital gains tax here but if you are in a pattern of selling horses at a profit(ie trading in horses) the profits become taxable regardless. Doing it once you will get away with but if you start doing it regularly they(IRD) will pounce if they get wind of it. More likely they discovered exactly how tough it is over there trying to get a foothold. The stakes might be good but the competition is fierce and the quality of opposition(ie trainers) is pretty bloody good. But no doubt in the NZTR Trainers manual there will be the stipulation that trainers can claim 10% or whatever of purchase prices. While I personally have no issue with that there are plenty would do and it is another way to screw money out of sucker owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 I'm wondering, in the face of all this, where is all the extra money coming from to manage the training and testing of all the licensees? If licensees are to be 'educated' on a regular basis as a condition of said licence, where will the extra people doing the assessing coming from? Who trains them, will they be competent themselves? The structures to educate new riders, where are they? Where are the academies, the facilities to safely introduce young people to racehorse riding? The initiative of the Nakhles at Byerly Park, while welcome, is a private model. To adequately train young riders, there needs to be suitable stabling and horses, which must be looked after, staff must be employed to keep such horses fit and well to cope with the demands of being ridden by novices as well as being suitable to gallop.....I could go on, but I'm sure you get the drift. And who, exactly, of existing licensees of the training side, will be 'educated ' ? Will there be a universal "test' that we all must undergo? ( I'm not averse to education in any shape or form btw) but what exactly will be examined? I have a vision of a questionnaire like that which was required for new trainers licenses at one stage, with questions like ' what goes on first, blinkers or the bridle ' and ' where is the number cloth placed '.... ye gods, surely not. We have the situation now where some will take horses to the races and can't saddle the things. The fault here is with those who granted licences, will those incompents be educated too? As for the incumbents in NZTR who can't/won't answer their phones, acknowledge emails, and certainly cannot go to the letter box and deal with the old-fashioned stuff that arrives in the mail..... educate them too , you clowns. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 What Freda said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Freda said: I'm wondering, in the face of all this, where is all the extra money coming from to manage the training and testing of all the licensees? If licensees are to be 'educated' on a regular basis as a condition of said licence, where will the extra people doing the assessing coming from? Who trains them, will they be competent themselves? The structures to educate new riders, where are they? Where are the academies, the facilities to safely introduce young people to racehorse riding? Yes Freda youre certainly right when it comes to the riders situation, it reminds me of the cartoon where the Elephant is being asked to climb a tree like a monkey to be considered educated or something like that. I know of many individuals who its probably fair to say can barely read or write or comprehend certain things for that matter, but my word can they ride a horse. So with that in mind we are going to have some fool testing these people with years of experience at actually doing the job and passing and failing them based on what a written test about riding or managing thoroughbreds. Whose also gonna police all of this? I mean when a trainer needs a rider (they don't just grow on trees NZTR) they are gonna use what is best available (H&S and all that taken into account) does anyone really think they are gonna care about these ridiculous licences ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, Huey said: I know of many individuals who its probably fair to say can barely read or write or comprehend certain things for that matter, but my word can they ride a horse. There are quite a few good trainers like that as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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