curious Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 "due to the country currently being in COVID Protection Framework ‘RED’ and with the limited timeframe available, this raceday will be run as a closed door meeting. This means no members of the public, including owners, sponsors and members, will be admitted to this race meeting. Only essential raceday personnel are permitted to attend." What? "the limited timeframe available". The meeting has been scheduled for months. And the traffic light system for 2 months. What is the limited time-frame within which they couldn't get organised? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 FFS @curious since when has Tim Mills got off his arse and thought or fought about anything? Riccarton is so large you could arrange 100 spectator sized pods within the stands and outside in marques and accommodate 3,000 people! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Actually, the hospitality suites could be thrown open for small gatherings, private, absolutely perfect. As a member pointed out to me this morning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: FFS @curious since when has Tim Mills got off his arse and thought or fought about anything? Riccarton is so large you could arrange 100 spectator sized pods within the stands and outside in marques and accommodate 3,000 people! Exactly, and as Freda points out the hospitality suites could be used for that purpose. They are all open to the outside so essentially reasonably safe outdoor areas fit for this purpose. It's just pure laziness. The NZTR protocols allow it. Makes me want to give up, if not throw up. Gutting treatment of owners, sponsors and members imo, Edited January 27, 2022 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, curious said: Exactly, and as Freda points out the hospitality suites could be used for that purpose. They are all open to the outside so essentially reasonably safe outdoor areas fit for this purpose. It's just pure laziness. The NZTR protocols allow it. Makes me want to give up, if not throw up. Gutting treatment of owners, sponsors and members imo, Well the WRC appear to be onto it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesio Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 If Riccarton think they are a premier club, then they should be acting like one. Both other “Premier Cubs” are allowing owners this weekend, so why not Riccarton. There is even a stakes race on this weekend at Riccarton FFS! They have operated under this framework before so should be able to roll out their processes for the day easily. NZTR are also to blame, they should be making Riccarton get off their arse and allow owners on course. At the end of the day Riccarton are being paid Industry money to host the meeting, that comes with responsibilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 What's worse is they don't actually give a reason why. So one can only conclude they don't have one other than "can't be stuffed". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 41 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What's worse is they don't actually give a reason why. So one can only conclude they don't have one other than "can't be stuffed". The reason they gave was the limited available time-frame. But Wellington and Auckland managed as Tesio points out. It's a crock of shit and feels like a 🖕 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, curious said: The reason they gave was the limited available time-frame. Obviously can't read the room - the Princess and Chippy signalled it a couple of weeks ago. Regardless no Plan B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Freda said: Actually, the hospitality suites could be thrown open for small gatherings, private, absolutely perfect. As a member pointed out to me this morning. Yeah, well that member and other members should get together and put a rocket under the CJC board and management. The members control the club after all. The decision is bad enough on its own but the fact that they notified it 36 hours before raceday is atrocious. They at least could have let people know they couldn't be bothered before nominations closed. The whole thing stinks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 All moot though. Give it I'd say 3 weeks and all racing will stop. All the Jockeys will be in 14 - 24 day isolation. Half of them would have been at Sound Splash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Ballantynes here in CH CH have closed their store because a handful of cases have appeared in the city. Frightened like little rabbits. God knows what will happen when we have thousands of cases. These people are mental retards. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) On 27/01/2022 at 7:18 PM, curious said: Exactly, and as Freda points out the hospitality suites could be used for that purpose. They are all open to the outside so essentially reasonably safe outdoor areas fit for this purpose. It's just pure laziness. The NZTR protocols allow it. Makes me want to give up, if not throw up. Gutting treatment of owners, sponsors and members imo, So you are being treated like the unvaccinated?"Makes you want to give up,if not throw up" you say. Interesting your reaction.Can't you just accept its being done for the greater good? Are you now more in touch with how an unvaccinated racing enthusiast feels. What about that north island trainer. Fake vaccine pass. 22 horses in work. What penalty do you think she should get. No doubt they will take away her and her families living i suppose,hang her out there for all to ridicule. What a world we live in. Edited January 28, 2022 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, the galah said: What about that north island trainer. Fake vaccine pass. 22 horses in work. What penalty do you think she should get. No doubt they will take away her and her families living i suppose,hang her out there for all to ridicule. What a world we live in. Probably hang her out to dry. Did they scratch her horses and not allow her entry to the racecourse on the day that she allegedly presented a fake passport? If not then her defence should be: NZTR have no right to demand her vaccination status outside of their jurisdiction i.e. a particular event; If her passport was fake and did not scan correctly then NZTR failed in their obligations by allowing her to enter the racecourse. I hope she takes them to court and every fair minded person supports her in doing so to put a stop to this nonsense. The irony of it all is according to some reputable science she is less likely to be infectious than those who are vaccinated. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, the galah said: So you are being treated like the unvaccinated?"Makes you want to give up,if not throw up" you say. Interesting your reaction.Can't you just accept its being done for the greater good? What greater good? So, Trentham and Ellerslie providing for owners this weekend is against the greater good? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, curious said: What greater good? So, Trentham and Ellerslie providing for owners this weekend is against the greater good? The CJC is just plain lazy and or broke. They either don't have enough volunteers to monitor pods of 100 or can't pay for staff. I can't think of any other reasons. Tim Mills - don't bother going to the races contrary to what you think YOU AREN'T essential staff. A race meeting can be run WITHOUT your committee and Presidents bar. Just hand the keys to the RIB and NZTR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, curious said: What greater good? So, Trentham and Ellerslie providing for owners this weekend is against the greater good? I'm guessing you read the other 2 or 3 sentences in my reply. The point i was making was you have people with vaccine passes going along with racing excluding those who don't,but when the vaccinated get excluded from riccarton,they get upset because they are being treated differently from those at other courses. So wheres the consistency of your argument .It seems people only protest when it effects them. I was making the point that you will now have more empathy for how the unvaccinated racing enthusiasts feel. Edited January 28, 2022 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, the galah said: I'm guessing you read the other 2 or 3 sentences in my reply. The point i was making was you have people with vaccine passes going along with racing excluding those who don't,but when the vaccinated get excluded from riccarton,they get upset because they are being treated differently from those at other courses. So wheres the consistency of your argument .It seems people only protest when it effects them. I was making the point that you will now have more empathy for how the unvaccinated racing enthusiasts feel. FYI, I know exactly what it feels like to be excluded because I'm unvaccinated. I think that's atrocious but it's the law at this point. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, curious said: FYI, I know exactly what it feels like to be excluded because I'm unvaccinated. I think that's atrocious but it's the law at this point. Ok. I have to admit i am a bit confused about what you have said. If as you say the CJC decision to not have small numbers on track for this one meeting "wants to make you throw up and give up",wouldn't you have already felt the same beforehand when you been excluded indefinitely from all nz meetings? Maybe you are just trying to drive home the point that its unfair to exclude anyone ,and i'm with you on that.It was racing and the tab's that made that decision. No law as such saying they had to. Edited January 28, 2022 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) . Edited January 28, 2022 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, the galah said: Maybe you are just trying to drive home the point that its unfair to exclude anyone ,and i'm with you on that.It was racing and the tab's that made that decision. No law as such saying they had to. At red light, they do have to exclude those without vaccine passports at any events. That is the law. They can still hold the events with the 100 person limit among other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Well, I say FUCK the so called law. Let's get back to some sensible and less stressful living patterns like many of the overseas countries are doing. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, curious said: At red light, they do have to exclude those without vaccine passports at any events. That is the law. They can still hold the events with the 100 person limit among other things. We are on the same side of the argument and i support your expressions of dismay around the consequences of decisions that have been made by racing leadership.. One of the consequences is the decision of trainer Trudy keegan to use a fake passport to continue to be able to operate as a trainer. The stress that woman must have been put under to come to that decision,and the ongoing stress for her and her family is a direct result of racing administrators decisions.Its dispicable that people like that have been forced to give up their job,their lifestyle,their income,their health,their belief structures and everything else that goes with it. Racing leadership just sit there in their offices making decisions and just go home at the end of their working day with little thought or caring for the impact they have on peoples lives. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whyisit Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Probably hang her out to dry. Did they scratch her horses and not allow her entry to the racecourse on the day that she allegedly presented a fake passport? If not then her defence should be: NZTR have no right to demand her vaccination status outside of their jurisdiction i.e. a particular event; If her passport was fake and did not scan correctly then NZTR failed in their obligations by allowing her to enter the racecourse. I hope she takes them to court and every fair minded person supports her in doing so to put a stop to this nonsense. The irony of it all is according to some reputable science she is less likely to be infectious than those who are vaccinated. The word around is that she had to stay in her truck for the rest of the day. No need to scr or penalise the horses. The same principle that applied to transport drivers between two Covid restriction areas. She still presented an alledged fake passport at sometime to racing officials that’s the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 It appears Riccarton have got organised and next week's meeting will be open to Owners. If you are a keen owner it might pay to book your space quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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