Forbury Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Yes or no.will Jonny cox be charged and proven guilty of a very bad incompetent drive.i say the drive is in the top five I've seen.be fair as Tim Willams got outed twice on this charge. BUENA VISTA - weakened final bend. A post-race veterinary examination revealed a slow recovery and signs of muscle soreness. Stewards questioned driver J Cox regarding the tactics he adopted during the race when allowing his horse to establish a significant lead on the remainder of the field through the early and middle stages. After taking initial evidence from Mr Cox, Stewards adjourned the matter for further consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Not sure Forbs. There is a little discussion on the forum about his driving on Allstars runners on a thread a little further down the page if you want to check that out. He is having a frustrating run . Didn't get flown up for drive on Self Assured Auckland Thursday to regain form either (drive was surprisingly given to McKendry ) which i found annoying when AGH didn't have a drive in that race. (Herlihy a close Purdon family relative) Herlihy had KRUG 'take charge' in the Great Northern Derby when driving it for Dalgety. Krug raced well clear of the field early. I thought it would get beaten for sure once that happened. however, Krug stuck it out to win. Not many can do that............. , as we saw with BUENA VISTA last night with clear of field in lead early, then run last. BuenaVista nearly/did interferred with other runners as it stopped home turn as well ... . So either the horse 'took charge' and sort of bolted , or it was a Very poor Cox drive worthy of attention from the stewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 43 minutes ago, Gammalite said: BuenaVista nearly/did interferred with other runners as it stopped home turn as well Disagree with that. Maybe only one horse slightly held up. If you have a look at the Stridemaster reports you will see it wasn't going all that quicker than 15 second 200m sectionals. https://www.addington.co.nz/stridemaster/fri-04-02-22/ The only 200m that was a bit fast was the second 200m. It looked worse than it was because the second and third horses weren't keeping the field up. @Gammalite and @Forbury I'm not an expert on sectionals but from a mobile start drawn the outside of the front line is 29.64 all that quick for the first 400m? 60.12 for the first 800m? Every other horse in the race ran a faster 200m and 400m sectional at some stage during the race. See attached document. 2022-02-04_32_HRNZ_Stridemaster-details-simple.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 LOL actually Buena Vista is one of those horses that you would try and get a share in and get it to Woodend Beach and build some stamina into it. Nicely gaited and can run a sectional. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 57 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The only 200m that was a bit fast was the second 200m. It looked worse than it was because the second and third horses weren't keeping the field up. @Gammalite and @Forbury I'm not an expert on sectionals but from a mobile start drawn the outside of the front line is 29.64 all that quick for the first 400m? 60.12 for the first 800m? I would say if your horse is Not pulling hard , and there is No outside pressure you just 'stay back' with the field. It was a little wet , and 60 sec half fairly moderate still, but why not hold back with the trailing horse ?? and run a 62-63 second middle half and then you can excellerate when the challenges come? , and not go backwards .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, Gammalite said: I would say if your horse is Not pulling hard , and there is No outside pressure you just 'stay back' with the field. Come on @Gammalite you've hunted your horse out of the gate to get the lead, the momentum over the first 200m sees you out by a few lengths and YOU want to pull up on the reins! You better than anyone knows the risk of that. The horse is bowling along relaxed on the bit and doing roughly 30.5 second sectionals. Why hand up the momentum advantage you got? 15 minutes ago, Gammalite said: It was a little wet , and 60 sec half fairly moderate still, but why not hold back with the trailing horse ?? and run a 62-63 second middle half and then you can excellerate when the challenges come? , and not go backwards .... But every other horse ran a faster 400m at some stage during the race. So you expect Cox to be looking around to see how far out in front he is? You know that can unbalance a horse. The horse was on the bit, not on a loose rein and the whip not shown. You see this all the time in Ozzie races. All said and done it did go a bit quick for the first half but not by much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Come on @Gammalite you've hunted your horse out of the gate to get the lead, the momentum over the first 200m sees you out by a few lengths and YOU want to pull up on the reins! You better than anyone knows the risk of that. The horse is bowling along relaxed on the bit and doing roughly 30.5 second sectionals. Why hand up the momentum advantage you got? But every other horse ran a faster 400m at some stage during the race. So you expect Cox to be looking around to see how far out in front he is? You know that can unbalance a horse. The horse was on the bit, not on a loose rein and the whip not shown. You see this all the time in Ozzie races. All said and done it did go a bit quick for the first half but not by much. All right then. I'll let him off. But only because Matty Williamson in the trot, let Midnight Dash roll along at his own descretion without any outside pressure, and nearly pulled off the win against a couple of good ones. ... Com'on Chief !! It took Gammalite 'near a lap' to get the lead in the 2nd biggest race of all , the Miracle Mile !!! lol... but unfortunately Vinny sat outside him with 'Popular Alm' and still ran him down. !! slippery bugger. 'Poppy' had to wear a few on the bum that night though, to catch the Mighty Gamma !!!! lol......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 54 minutes ago, Gammalite said: All right then. I'll let him off. But only because Matty Williamson in the trot, let Midnight Dash roll along at his own descretion without any outside pressure, and nearly pulled off the win against a couple of good ones. ... Com'on Chief !! It took Gammalite 'near a lap' to get the lead in the 2nd biggest race of all , the Miracle Mile !!! lol... but unfortunately Vinny sat outside him with 'Popular Alm' and still ran him down. !! slippery bugger. 'Poppy' had to wear a few on the bum that night though, to catch the Mighty Gamma !!!! lol......... I knew you would mention Gammalite!!!! To be fair Cox probably did go a tad quick but the rest were held up by one going a tad slow. So two tads added together equals quite a few lengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I agree that the most notable factors of his drive were the consistency of his speed and the fact the horse was never pushed outside its comfort zone to establish and maintain the break on the field. What resulted was confirmation that the horse did not have the natural staying ability for those tactics to work. You could argue that Cox should have known that beforehand and i don't see anything wrong with the stipes asking the question. But Cox used those tactics with the intention of giving him an advantage over the others. So to penalise any driver for a positive(not excessively positive) drive like we saw last night in my opinion would be ridiculous,and i anticipate the powers to be already know that anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 I agree with all said above.i do still think he went to hard for the class of horse.the horse was going to fast the first lap and paid the penalty.did I back it yes.i also backed John Morrison four times what a star.thanks for your posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Turns out Cox admitted the charge and got 5 days. Just goes to show Cox obviously didn't think himself capable of arguing his own defence well enough. I guess it just proves that Cox agreed with forbury about his own lack of judgment. Strange but true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, the galah said: Turns out Cox admitted the charge and got 5 days. Just goes to show Cox obviously didn't think himself capable of arguing his own defence well enough. I guess it just proves that Cox agreed with forbury about his own lack of judgment. Strange but true. Plea bargain. Cheapest option every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 32 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Plea bargain. Cheapest option every time. Lol, If you are not guilty then always defend yourself Chief! That is the problem with NZ at the moment, we have too many that are prepared to be submissive! Stand up for your rights or the country is DOOMED! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brodie said: Lol, If you are not guilty then always defend yourself Chief! Doesn't work like that unfortunately. The Feds are cops, judge and jury and if they find you guilty and you pleaded not guilty and defended the charge you get a longer sentence and costs awarded against you. Better to save your pennies and have a week off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 10 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Doesn't work like that unfortunately. The Feds are cops, judge and jury and if they find you guilty and you pleaded not guilty and defended the charge you get a longer sentence and costs awarded against you. Better to save your pennies and have a week off. I will always defend myself or others Chief! If the system is wrong then that is even more reason to stand up flr what is right! There has never been a time in my lifetime where we all need to wake up to what is going on and fight for our rights! It doesnt matter whether it is when you are at school, working life or any other situation, it is your duty to defend yourself or otherwise they will continue to get away with. As I say the NZ citizens by following the Prime Minister who has achieved nothing of worth in her life, is just pathetic. The evidence from overseas is showing that what she is doing is so wrong but then it is now not about peoples health. Great to see the Canadians fighting back and that will flow into the United States and eventually here. Ardern and co. need to be tried for their actions!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Brodie said: As I say the NZ citizens by following the Prime Minister who has achieved nothing of worth in her life, is just pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Rangatira said: Ranga, how is that of any worth to the citizens of NZ? People are following the most unqualified Prime Minister in NZ ever! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 9 hours ago, Brodie said: Ardern and co. need to be tried for their actions!!!!! Pretty sure her trial is penciled in for Sept 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 I was proven right Wow.fair penalty.i agree it's bad to penalise a positive drive but he did make a error of judgement going so hard.the horse was going the fastest it could and still a lap to go.if he drives one like that again he will know to rate it better and gas it the way he did.all the best Jonny cox with your life and health. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 9 hours ago, Rangatira said: All baby photos make me very sick.fuck the govt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 Just now, Forbury said: All baby photos make me very sick.fuck the govt What the fuck is this bullshit with sorry for stolen generation.what a load of shit.they do it worse than ever and then they make up everything in there planned and calculated attack of psychological abuse trauma.fuck the govt.the attorney general's Dept is a virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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