Harnesslink aricle

[the galah]

Interesting that Harnesslink has actually published the client list of the corrupt Vet found guilty this week in new york.

Obviously some news media have printed it in the USA.

So what does it mean.Should they have published it?

Theres a few hundred names on that list,and it redacts the specific address of the corrupt vets clients,but does show what state they come from.

It doesn't indicate what they were purchasing and says"while prosecutors say Dr seth fishman was not actively practicing veterinary medicine,he was licenced as a vet and could have provided legitimate,legal treatments to or instead of the illegal products.

I guess you would be rather brassed off if your name appeared on the published list.

It seems to relate to people within the USA.

One interesting name,which may be just coincidence, Is.... A JOHN CURTIN from NZ. Now i could be wrong but i don't know of any state with NZ as its initials in the USA .

So given previously harnesslink was used to publish many opinion pieces from a mr John Curtin from NZ, in which he used to vehemently attack anyone who said certain things about the stable he raced horses from in nz,doesn't it all seem a bit strange.

I thought mr  Curtin was best known as the first person in NZ to get covid,contracted while he was in New York.

I repeat the article says the clients on the list may have been provided legitimate, legal treatments from the Vet with the apparently well known reputation for peddling supposed performance enhancers,but what those on the list were supplied with was unknown.Is it just anat an unfortunate coincidence someone who supports a certain stable has a name that appears on that list.Is the John Curtin from nz the one we know??????

Edited February 5, 2022 by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

https://harnesslink.com/usa/heres-the-list-of-clients-from-doping-scandal/

[Chief Stipe]

31 minutes ago, the galah said:

it just anat an unfortunate coincidence someone who supports a certain stable has a name that appears on that list.Is the John Curtin from nz the one we know??

The stable you refer to is?

[Chief Stipe]

35 minutes ago, the galah said:

Theres a few hundred names on that

There's actually over 2,200 names on that list.  I'm surprised yours isn't on it.

GX-715_Redacted-equestology-list.pdf

[Chief Stipe]

BTW @the galah HarnessLink say the source of their information is The Paulick Report.  I've done a fair bit of research over the last few days into that website and have come to the conclusion that it isn't particularly balanced in the way it reports news and science.  More on that to come.

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

The stable you refer to is?

 Well the stable that trained the most high profile horse for  John Curtin in nz harness racing is obviously the trainers of his reportedly $4,000,000 purchase auckland reactor, who Curtin was part owner/syndicate manager. Thats the stable that Curtin wrote several articles about, heavily criticizing anyone who dared say anything bad about the All Star stable.At the time his articles seemed to have a personal touch to them. 

If its not the same Mr Curtin,then he needs to set the record straight immediately. Do you think he will do that Chief................ 

Interesting how our TAB take betting on racing from Yonkers in New york.Its obviously previously been as crooked as,with 3 of their top 10 trainers charged.Evidence of drivers pulling horses. You have to remember they  only went after the bigger fish.Why would the TAB subject their NZ customers to a product like that.If the nz TAB had any integrity they should have pulled that product long ago.

Edited February 5, 2022 by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

Big call Galah calling John Curtin a cheat.  Do you have evidence?

[Chief Stipe]

21 minutes ago, the galah said:

If its not the same Mr Curtin,then he needs to set the record straight immediately. Do you think he will do that Chief....

What if it is the same person?  One of over 2,200 on that list.

Your guilt by association is starting to get tedious.

[the galah]

 

29 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Big call Galah calling John Curtin a cheat.  Do you have evidence?

So thats your take on it.

You think because i have said a John Curtin from NZ appears on the client list of the most high profile corrupt Vet in the usa,that i am saying John Curtin is a cheat.

If thats your take on it then it seems you have  drawn an inference from his being on that list..

What i'm saying is it raises serious questions.Surely you can see that or is your mind that closed to information that doesn't support your view. 

Edited February 5, 2022 by the galah

[hunterthepunter]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

The stable you refer to is?

hill stable?

[Chief Stipe]

6 hours ago, the galah said:

 

So thats your take on it.

You think because i have said a John Curtin from NZ appears on the client list of the most high profile corrupt Vet in the usa,that i am saying John Curtin is a cheat.

No it isn't my take on it - it has been your common theme.

You are obsessed with the idea that the top stables in NZ are cheating.  So obsessed that you trawl through a list of over 2,200 names looking for a New Zealand connection.

A list that for all we know could be just a marketing list.

6 hours ago, the galah said:

If thats your take on it then it seems you have  drawn an inference from his being on that list..

Typical Galah twist.  YOU posted the connection not I.  All the inference, innuendo and supposition is coming from you.

6 hours ago, the galah said:

What i'm saying is it raises serious questions.Surely you can see that or is your mind that closed to information that doesn't support your view. 

What serious questions?  Go on Galah list YOUR serious questions?

[Chief Stipe]

Here's a serious question for you @the galah - the only PED publicly identified being supplied by Fishman has been mislabelled Clenbuterol.  Why haven't any other drugs been identified and why no positives?

[the galah]

We could do the back and forth thing again but i'm not in the mood today for that.

As to the Curtin thing. Your not stupid.

When you said i trawled through the list because of my so called obsession,well actually i didn't.

It was published as a list of USA clients,so instead of going through them all, i just looked for the name of the person who had made regular trips to new york,who had numerous connections with trainers and owners who operated from the yonkers track,who had been the most vocal person in criticising anyone who dare suggest the all stars had used products which were not picked up in testing to enhance performance,who had been one of the stables high profile owners,who had openly used his own forum at the time(harnesslink) to criticise Jeff Gural from the meadowlands about mr gurals decision to bar certain trainers from his tracks because of their use of performance enhancers,who would have had a financial motive,etc,etc.......

So i looked under that persons name and there it was.

Does it prove anything.......NO.  Heck there may even be 2 John curtin's from nz. although whats the chances of that?

So if you don't think questions should at least be asked then go ahead and keep your head in the sand where you like it to be.

I actually looked for only the 2 names.

The second one I looked for was the tritton name. I did that because i always believed the  tritton australian stable at the time had used performance enhancing products which they weren't testing for.

You only had to look at how they got a massive improvement from the horses of other trainers,claiming that constant galloping was the key,with some gullible journalists claiming it was a new revolutionary way to train.To me at the time the connection was his father who raced many of his horses at yonkers. I had no idea how it worked,but there had to be a connection.

And you guess it,peter tritton stables is on the client list of the corrupt one.

So i've answered your question and will leave it at that. 

[Rangatira]

14 hours ago, hunterthepunter said:

hill stable?

I am not expecting Drain Road Stables to feature based on recent results.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

When you said i trawled through the list because of my so called obsession,well actually i didn't.

Sorry to hear about your mood.  So you went straight to the C's and T's? Page 7 and page 30.

1 hour ago, the galah said:

who had been the most vocal person in criticising anyone who dare suggest the all stars had used products which were not picked up in testing to enhance performance

But that's because the so called PED's aren't actually PED's.  Hence both Robinson and Fishman getting done for "mislabelling".  There hasn't been a positive because Vitamins, minerals and amino acids aren't tested for!!!!!!  I'll repeat again the only PED that has been admitted to is Clenbuterol.

Robinson and Fishman were both con men.  Fishman will be lucky to survive prison - the people he was dealing to have connections that don't like being conned.

1 hour ago, the galah said:

who had openly used his own forum at the time(harnesslink) to criticise Jeff Gural from the meadowlands about mr gurals decision to bar certain trainers from his tracks because of their use of performance enhancers

Yet Gural has been inconsistent in his approach hasn't he.  Not only has his operation not found any PED's through testing but he has given an amnesty to the Trainer/Owner Adrienne Hall that admitted she had bought these so called "PED's" off Fishman as long as she gave evidence in court.  The evidence she gave was basically "Yes I bought these stuff of Fishman and I didn't know what it was just that he said it would make my horses go faster."

1 hour ago, the galah said:

The second one I looked for was the tritton name. I did that because i always believed the  tritton australian stable at the time had used performance enhancing products which they weren't testing for.

So the Feds have had samples of the so called PED's now for months - where is all the retrospective testing and charges?

 

1 hour ago, the galah said:

You only had to look at how they got a massive improvement from the horses of other trainers,claiming that constant galloping was the key,with some gullible journalists claiming it was a new revolutionary way to train.To me at the time the connection was his father who raced many of his horses at yonkers. I had no idea how it worked,but there had to be a connection.

And you guess it,peter tritton stables is on the client list of the corrupt one.

So i've answered your question and will leave it at that. 

So you are accusing John Curtin and Peter Tritton of cheating and being corrupt?

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

who had openly used his own forum at the time(harnesslink) to criticise Jeff Gural from the meadowlands about mr gurals decision to bar certain trainers from his tracks because of their use of performance enhancers

Yep Gural loves clean racing.  From the Meadowlands website directions for horsemen:

Lasix Information

The renovated Back Paddock, now with gates on the stalls, will serve as the receiving barn and include a Lasix Stall where the medication will be administered.
Issued by Dr. Barbara Greene, New Jersey State Veterinarian:

• All horses racing on task must report directly to the Back Paddock and will be treated with Lasix FOUR (4) hours prior to post time for their race
• Each horse must have a representative bring the horse to the designated treatment stall and witness the Lasix administration.
• Your horse will be scratched r late or if there is not a representative with the horse for treatment

[the galah]

The latest on that list.

Authorities are hoping Lisa Ranger,salesperson for the vet,will  cooperate now shes seen whats happened to the vet who she worked for. Her case is still pending and Gural believes theirs a good chance she will hand over the list of products those on the released list bought.

He said its either that or she goes through a very,very costly trial and end up with a greater sentence. Maybe Gural and the feds will get what they want.Time will tell.

Then Gural said once they have their hands on who bought what,they will go after those who bought the performance enhancers.

 

[Chief Stipe]

45 minutes ago, the galah said:

Then Gural said once they have their hands on who bought what,they will go after those who bought the performance enhancers.

Wait for it.....and the performance enhancers are?

[Ludwig]

I am fortunate to be classified as thick, as this whole discussion is way beyond my comprehension. 

[the galah]

On 17/02/2022 at 7:57 PM, Ludwig said:

I am fortunate to be classified as thick, as this whole discussion is way beyond my comprehension. 

If it is, your missing the fallout from the biggest doping scandal in your lifetime.You'll never see anything like it again.Its obviously centered around the USA but some of those charged are known to have connections globally.

If whats been posted so far doesn't rock your boat, then i'll see if i can find a connection to climate change and gender dysphoria for you.

Edited February 18, 2022 by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

9 hours ago, the galah said:

If it is, your missing the fallout from the biggest doping scandal in your lifetime.You'll never see anything like it again.Its obviously centered around the USA but some of those charged are known to have connections globally.

So doping is not only rife in the USA but according to you has gone global?

Any word yet on the mysterious undetectable PED(s) being used?  Strange that with all their resources the FED's don't seem to be able to take the samples they have and get them tested in a reputable lab.  If WADA can find an obscure heart medication drug in the sample of a Olympic ice skater you'd think they'd be able to identify these mysterious PED's.

[Ludwig]

17 hours ago, the galah said:

If it is, your missing the fallout from the biggest doping scandal in your lifetime.You'll never see anything like it again.Its obviously centered around the USA but some of those charged are known to have connections globally.

If whats been posted so far doesn't rock your boat, then i'll see if i can find a connection to climate change and gender dysphoria for you.

It doesn't rock my boat, whatever that means, because I don't understand the issue . And what's gender or climate change got to do with anything . Try playing the ball, not the man, like the other mob.

[the galah]

16 minutes ago, Ludwig said:

It doesn't rock my boat, whatever that means, because I don't understand the issue . And what's gender or climate change got to do with anything . Try playing the ball, not the man, like the other mob.

 

Doesn't rock your boat" i thought was a common saying,being a colourful way of saying if it doesn't excite you. 

Seems you have taken my attempt at wit in a way not intended. Guess that is my fault as i wondered whether that may happen a few minutes after i posted it. But once its there can't rethink it later. I enjoyed my attempt at humour at the time,even though some may not.

Edited February 19, 2022 by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

19 minutes ago, the galah said:

I enjoyed my attempt at humour at the time,even though some may not.

Great you can laugh at yourself.