Rangatira Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Clive was thrown in and the new driver Grant Ross far lighter and better than previous driver Easy money today at Oamaru Telling lies about the driver. Consistent this bloke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Newmarket, I have a policy that I won’t post tips online for an obvious reason Newmarket! If you think that is hilarious then it doesn’t take much to amuse you. The thing is Newmarket, is that I never take notice of anyone else’s tips, however some on here do know their stuff! Why do you never tip online? Do everyone jump on your tips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, Brodie said: No one and the same but used to be driven every start by Chris Thornley, and Grant Ross is lighter and far better Ross better than Thornley? Really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Newmarket said: Ross better than Thornley? Really He is not serious he is just making stuff up to make me bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Ross better than Thornley? Really Yes, far better than Chris Thornley not Craig Thornley. I am not replying to that dickhead Rangatira from the darkside! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Clive was thrown in and the new driver Grant Ross far lighter and better than previous driver Easy money today at Oamaru Thought Ricky May drove it before Grant and Bronson start before that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Brodie said: I am not replying to that dickhead Rangatira from the darkside! i think brodie is still bitter about the thrashing my dark team gave his sunny team and this despite his team having to play all their games at home and the fact i have caught him lying again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Richie said: Thought Ricky May drove it before Grant and Bronson start before that spot on brodie likes bronson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Mind you I can see where Brodie is coming from as I had Clive as my clear 2nd pick.Third run back against lower win horses,it was only the driver and draw that stopped me labelling him as first pick.Actually was good drive so wont underrate Grant again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 anyways back to the thread topic i really like aveross ferrari in the 8th if anything scares me its the stablemate alexi so a cheeky quinella should be the play here taking into account the track temperature and the current USD rate its looking like an all female finish driver wise so suggest 1&3/1&3&6&7/1&3&6&7 fill your boots campers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, Richie said: Thought Ricky May drove it before Grant and Bronson start before that Geez Richie! Chris Thornley has driven For Don Ross for as lo g as I can remember!!!!!!! My damn point was that if you have watched the trials and races that Grant Ross has driven Clive in, you could tell he can drive a bit. Chris Thornley, not Craig Thornley has driven Clive in the bulk, majority, helluva lot, most, amost all, races that Clive had been in. Chris is too heavy to be a good driver and his brother Craig is a helluva lot lighter. Why on the hell do people want to take Brodie on with BS. I sad that Grant was better than previous driver that had a mortgage on driving Clive. The fact that Bronson and Ricky May has driven Clive in the last few starts is pretty pedantic when anyone with knowledge of Clive would’ve been well aware of what I was damn well saying. Then you get the dickhead from the darkest side Rangatira coming on and saying I am telling lies!!! You are an absolute wanker Rangatira and the sooner you piss off back to the hasbeen site the better!! ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 50 minutes ago, Brodie said: No one and the same but used to be driven every start by Chris Thornley, and Grant Ross is lighter and far better Grant Ross is far better than Chris Thornley?.Do you have some inside info on this character do you Brodie?.Only asking as i've never heard of him up until he started driving Clive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mardy said: Grant Ross is far better than Chris Thornley?.Do you have some inside info on this character do you Brodie?.Only asking as i've never heard of him up until he started driving Clive. Marcy, none whatsoever. Watched him in the birdcage last week at Rangiora and he seemed to have an easy care attitude and seemed in total control of Clive and was very relaxed, spoke to a stipe and didn’t seemed intimidated that it was only his second drive. Watched his drives on Clive at the trials and Raceday and seemed competent enough to put the horse in the race. Probably Don Ross’s son I would imagine, could be wrong but Always on the money. Edited July 29, 2018 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, Brodie said: Watched him in the birdcage last week at Rangiora and he seemed to have an easy care attitude and seemed in total control of Clive and was very relaxed, spoke to a stile and didn’t seemed intimidated that it was on,y his second drive. There was a crooked man, and he walked a crooked mile, He found a crooked sixpence against a crooked stile; He bought a crooked cat which caught a crooked mouse, And they all lived together in a little crooked house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counter Punch Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Chris Thornley has driven 50 winners - he's no mug in the sulky, doesn't drive a lot, but a pretty decent horseman. Big statement to make, Brodie - but the thing in your favour is that time is on your side and it will be a very long time before it will be proven to be fact, if proven at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Counter Punch said: Chris Thornley has driven 50 winners - he's no mug in the sulky, doesn't drive a lot, but a pretty decent horseman. Big statement to make, Brodie - but the thing in your favour is that time is on your side and it will be a very long time before it will be proven to be fact, if proven at all. Counter Punch, not doubting that Chris is a decent horseman! As you are aware, I firmly believe that being heavy is not beneficial to being a successful driver. It has been debated many times before I realise. Everyone is different and that is good but I think you will agree that all the top drivers are lightweights as it is a distinct Advantage. The female drivers that go Good are very light and is an advantage. Personally not knocking Chris Thornley’s horsemanship whatsoever but knew yesterday that with Grant in the sulky and the way he was handling Clive, the horse had been thrown into that race with a great chance. Personally don’t know Grant Ross but we certainly need new people coming into the driving ranks. I think if you check the UDR’ currently Grant Ross’s UDR would be better than Chris’s and to drive a winner at your 3rd drive against open horse people is not a bad effort. He did get fined for excess whip but then again it is a blatantly stupid rule anyway and Clive is the type of horse that does need persuading. I note that the term excessive use of the whip has now been superseded and is now exceeded the permitted no. Which is clearly showing that they do not think that 10 hits is excessive but they were silly to put a no. On it. Drivers are getting done for just trying to win a race!!!!!! Edited July 30, 2018 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, Brodie said: Counter Punch, not doubting that Chris is a decent horseman! As you are aware, I firmly believe that being heavy is not beneficial to being a successful driver. It has been debated many times before I realise. Everyone is different and that is good but I think you will agree that all the top drivers are lightweights as it is a distinct Advantage. The female drivers that go Good are very light and is an advantage. Personally not knocking Chris Thornley’s horsemanship whatsoever but knew yesterday that with Grant in the sulky and the way he was handling Clive, the horse had been thrown into that race with a great chance. Personally don’t know Grant Ross but we certainly need new people coming into the driving ranks. I think if you check the UDR’ currently Grant Ross’s UDR would be better than Chris’s and to drive a winner at your 3rd drive against open horse people is not a bad effort. He did get fined for excess whip but then again it is a blatantly stupid rule anyway and Clive is the type of horse that does need persuading. I note that the term excessive use of the whip has now been superseded and is now exceeded the permitted no. Which is clearly showing that they do not think that 10 hits is excessive but they were silly to put a no. On it. Drivers are getting done for just trying to win a race!!!!!! You will be big on Jessica Young then Brodie. She would be the lightest of them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counter Punch Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 33 minutes ago, Brodie said: Counter Punch, not doubting that Chris is a decent horseman! As you are aware, I firmly believe that being heavy is not beneficial to being a successful driver. It has been debated many times before I realise. Everyone is different and that is good but I think you will agree that all the top drivers are lightweights as it is a distinct Advantage. The female drivers that go Good are very light and is an advantage. Personally not knocking Chris Thornley’s horsemanship whatsoever but knew yesterday that with Grant in the sulky and the way he was handling Clive, the horse had been thrown into that race with a great chance. Personally don’t know Grant Ross but we certainly need new people coming into the driving ranks. I think if you check the UDR’ currently Grant Ross’s UDR would be better than Chris’s and to drive a winner at your 3rd drive against open horse people is not a bad effort. He did get fined for excess whip but then again it is a blatantly stupid rule anyway and Clive is the type of horse that does need persuading. I note that the term excessive use of the whip has now been superseded and is now exceeded the permitted no. Which is clearly showing that they do not think that 10 hits is excessive but they were silly to put a no. On it. Drivers are getting done for just trying to win a race!!!!!! Probably a more pertinent question in this thread is would the horse have won yesterday with Chris Thornley driving? I say yes. Clive has forever been a very in and out horse, he often trials like Tarzan, but very much races like Jane. Leo O'Reilly drove him early in his career and he had a very high opinion, but unfortunately a number of circumstances have led to him not living up to his full potential. In the exact same circumstances yesterday, with Chris in the bike, the horse would have still won. To make a reference to UDR when one driver has had three drives and the other has had around 1500 is a little bit far-reaching - even for you! I'll make a wager with you, Brodie - Grant Ross will not drive more winners than Chris Thornley in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, Counter Punch said: Probably a more pertinent question in this thread is would the horse have won yesterday with Chris Thornley driving? I say yes. Clive has forever been a very in and out horse, he often trials like Tarzan, but very much races like Jane. Leo O'Reilly drove him early in his career and he had a very high opinion, but unfortunately a number of circumstances have led to him not living up to his full potential. In the exact same circumstances yesterday, with Chris in the bike, the horse would have still won. To make a reference to UDR when one driver has had three drives and the other has had around 1500 is a little bit far-reaching - even for you! I'll make a wager with you, Brodie - Grant Ross will not drive more winners than Chris Thornley in his career. Would Clive have won yesterday with Chris in the cart, we won’t know will we, but I would’ve said no the way the race was run, too much weight Counter Punch,. How do you stop a horse from winning, load them with weight. Yes Clive has been disappointing and looked like he would’ve won a lot more, but I won’t offer more reasoning for why he didn’t. Far reaching? Just going by the current stats and don’t like pitting one driver against another as very pointless in that there are excellent drivers, average drivers and very mediocre drivers, and that is just part of the challenge in sorting out and making money on the punt! I just wish all new drivers and trainers into the industry, the best of luck in a very hard industry to succeed in. Great to have you on this site Counter Punch, but you need to contribute more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 51 minutes ago, Nowornever said: You will be big on Jessica Young then Brodie. She would be the lightest of them all. Not necessarily, light weight is certainly a major contributing fact but you also have to have the ability to read a race and know your horses ability. Dexter, Blair, Ricky, Robbie Close, Mark Purdon, Natalie, John Dunn etc the top drivers are all lightweight and do their homework rather than just jumping in the sulky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Brodie said: Not necessarily, light weight is certainly a major contributing fact but you also have to have the ability to read a race and know your horses ability. Dexter, Blair, Ricky, Robbie Close, Mark Purdon, Natalie, John Dunn etc the top drivers are all lightweight and do their homework rather than just jumping in the sulky. Think we have had this conversation before 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 29/07/2018 at 7:08 PM, Brodie said: Yes, far better than Chris Thornley not Craig Thornley. I am not replying to that dickhead Rangatira from the darkside! darkside rangatira or spikecity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 On 29/07/2018 at 5:06 PM, Brodie said: Clive was thrown in and the new driver Grant Ross far lighter and better than previous driver Easy money today at Oamaru Not sure if you are on the money there Brodie. I am 6 foot and 90kg and I reckon Grant is a head taller than me and more solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Nowornever said: Not sure if you are on the money there Brodie. I am 6 foot and 90kg and I reckon Grant is a head taller than me and more solid. Of course I am on the money! Grant Ross from looking at him in the cart live, and from videos he is clearly lighter than the other mentioned driver! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 On 1/08/2018 at 8:44 PM, Nowornever said: Not sure if you are on the money there Brodie. I am 6 foot and 90kg and I reckon Grant is a head taller than me and more solid. Gee Nowornever you are game questioning Brodies facts.Dont you know that when Brodie is right he is on the money,when Brodie is wrong he is still on the money,When Brodie doesn't know he is still on the money and when Brodie makes it up he is still on the money. Brodie has never been wrong,just ask his mother.??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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