Weasel Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 On 15/08/2018 at 11:21 PM, hesi said: You're right, he has other things to worry about................like his back Indeed...anyone else noticing that one JC (a female who thinks she is similar/related to the great JC) is making LOTS of 'news' lately. I have no doubt she is waiting with knife sharpened for Simon to cop a Cunnliife-like opinion poll and go for the jugular ... prediction: coup before Xmas, new leader announced by end January 2019; plenty of time to rip Jacinderella to shreds and be back in Gummit 2020. Not a bad idea, as long as its not JC in charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Interesting isn't it, been lots of pretenders to the throne on both sides of the political spectrum, but when they get their turn, very few shine, I'm afraid Simon hasn't shone, although he comes across as a thoroughly decent guy. You got to hand it to Jacinda, she took her chance, under extreme pressure(6 weeks out and polls at 22%), and became the brightest star. And hasn't Winston behaved too, he knows which side his bread is buttered on, and you would have to say has a great deal of respect for her. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I do think Jacinda is suffering (and will suffer again in 2020 from being thrown in at the deep end; she really needed 3 years as Leader of the Opposition just to learn more political ringcraft. Winning the tabloid popularity stakes is fine for a while - and a baby helps - but she is going to struggle to deal with the consequences of all these tax hikes esp regional fuel tax and the never-ending problems of Auckland congestion/housing. One-term Government, unless business confidence takes a sharp rise in the next 6 months, and I cant see that happening given the wider picture (Trump / trade wars / petrol price rises / house building difficulties etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I think many will recognise that she has inherited a very difficult set of circumstances, infrastructure, wages and housing in particular I can always recall about 12 months prior to the election, senior Nats like Joyce, English, Brownlee and Smith, reacting to housing that infuriating smirk, and a 'what housing crisis' 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltedMilkshake Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Perhaps in the 80s, Jacinta would have been very relevant...as NZ was predominantly a “social”economy...but today, her model doesn’t work. Changing the structure of the economy is challenging and plenty will fall through the cracks. But NZ can no longer afford the society of the 70s & 80s. The government should leave the driving of the economy to those who can steer...and just provide legislative structure to ensure whatever needs to be done, gets done. Union employees and party hacks don’t have the empathy/ideology/intelligence to run a nation’s economy... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 5 hours ago, hesi said: I think many will recognise that she has inherited a very difficult set of circumstances, infrastructure, wages and housing in particular I can always recall about 12 months prior to the election, senior Nats like Joyce, English, Brownlee and Smith, reacting to housing that infuriating smirk, and a 'what housing crisis' Over promising will do that to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 4 hours ago, MaltedMilkshake said: Perhaps in the 80s, Jacinta would have been very relevant...as NZ was predominantly a “social”economy...but today, her model doesn’t work. Changing the structure of the economy is challenging and plenty will fall through the cracks. But NZ can no longer afford the society of the 70s & 80s. The government should leave the driving of the economy to those who can steer...and just provide legislative structure to ensure whatever needs to be done, gets done. Union employees and party hacks don’t have the empathy/ideology/intelligence to run a nation’s economy... Hear hear! 1 hour ago, Huey said: Over promising will do that to you. Yes she promised the earth did little Teethcinda and the naive electorate lapped it up. Then Winnie the bewildered looked and thought 'she will be a lot easier to manipulate and will let me be much more in the limelight than Bill so best I go with her' 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) meeting at Claudelands Conference Centre August 30th - Winnie is finally going to release the report Edited August 20, 2018 by Reefton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 an Augasmic end to the month !!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 46 minutes ago, Reefton said: meeting at Claudelands Conference Centre August 30th - Winnie is finally going to release the report Get down on your knees and kiss his shoelaces....boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Just now, Thomass said: Get down on your knees and kiss his shoelaces....boy Wanker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Bit concerned about WP actually. Don't think he's looked at all well for a while now. Hope all is ok with him. At least wth the Messara Report he's tried to do something about racing. This effort alone would put him ahead of several others who've held the position .. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedley Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, jess said: Bit concerned about WP actually. Don't think he's looked at all well for a while now. Hope all is ok with him. At least wth the Messara Report he's tried to do something about racing. This effort alone would put him ahead of several others who've held the position .. Exactly Jess., i can't get over the amount of animosity towards him by too many on this site and the other one. Buck your bloody ideas up you lot..be gratefull and resolve to be upbeat about the changes..except racing club closures...that action will be folly and foolhardy 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedley Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 i hope that the report seeks to dismantle the city of suits and the empire building that has gone on and on., it is obvious and sticks out like a sore thumb as a resolution 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 That's the quaddie for Hesi hesi Members 643 876 posts Report post Posted August 3 (edited) On 2/08/2018 at 11:37 PM, hesi said: Sorry to be the harbinger of optimism, but I think he will release the report in full before the end of Aug. How much of it he acts upon and when, might be a different story Be disappointed to be proven wrong Going for the quadrella Legs already correctly selected Trump wins the Presidency The British and Irish Lions win one or more tests Winston picks Jacinda(some thought it would be Nats/Greens, and we are still laughing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 53 minutes ago, jess said: Bit concerned about WP actually. Don't think he's looked at all well for a while now. Hope all is ok with him. At least wth the Messara Report he's tried to do something about racing. This effort alone would put him ahead of several others who've held the position .. It's been pretty common knowledge that he has health issues and it is not his work in racing that I take issue with it is his grandstanding and the fraudulent behaviour he indulged in and the media let him away with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, jess said: Bit concerned about WP actually. Don't think he's looked at all well for a while now. Hope all is ok with him. At least wth the Messara Report he's tried to do something about racing. This effort alone would put him ahead of several others who've held the position .. So true Jess - everyone before him did zip - Winston will hammer governance and management and demand performance, just like us - who cares if he likes a tipple or two - last chance and he will deliver that's for sure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 19/08/2018 at 10:17 AM, hesi said: Interesting isn't it, been lots of pretenders to the throne on both sides of the political spectrum, but when they get their turn, very few shine, I'm afraid Simon hasn't shone, although he comes across as a thoroughly decent guy. You got to hand it to Jacinda, she took her chance, under extreme pressure(6 weeks out and polls at 22%), and became the brightest star. And hasn't Winston behaved too, he knows which side his bread is buttered on, and you would have to say has a great deal of respect for her. She’s great for a sound bite but when she gets pressed a little further she struggles with detail in my opinion. I also think they have promised to many things to to many people (including nz first). Heading into 2020 I think she will find out fairly quickly it’s much easier to attack someone else’s record than defend your own and your broken promises. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltedMilkshake Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 hours ago, jess said: Bit concerned about WP actually. Don't think he's looked at all well for a while now. Hope all is ok with him. At least wth the Messara Report he's tried to do something about racing. This effort alone would put him ahead of several others who've held the position .. Yes, agreed Jess. It’s more than we’ve had previously. Well at least all the “known” problems, perceived or actual, will be placed on record. Hallelujah for that - which, in the big scheme of things, is the easy part.....now to get the recommendations implemented...that’s when things will get really interesting ...not only getting it through parliament but the circles within circles will do their level best to roadblock anything that removes their power.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, MaltedMilkshake said: Yes, agreed Jess. It’s more than we’ve had previously. Well at least all the “known” problems, perceived or actual, will be placed on record. Hallelujah for that - which, in the big scheme of things, is the easy part.....now to get the recommendations implemented...that’s when things will get really interesting ...not only getting it through parliament but the circles within circles will do their level best to roadblock anything that removes their power.. And that is when you want all the machinations in the Peter's handbook on Racing's side......don't you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Hedley said: Exactly Jess., i can't get over the amount of animosity towards him by too many on this site and the other one. Buck your bloody ideas up you lot..be gratefull and resolve to be upbeat about the changes..except racing club closures...that action will be folly and foolhardy Agree Hedley, I see over on race cafe, they are bitching about the venue and the date coinciding with a trot meeting. Some just never get it Edited August 20, 2018 by hesi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Just add a wee dram..and he should be good to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) I've posted this from Trump on the dark side. I don't like his style more often than not, but he does have a lot of racing knowledge, and puts things in good perspective quite often I'll take it down if anyone objects from the dark side. Sorry about the reference to you Barryb Just adding in, that Messara did the report pro bono "I think some of the comments re Messara are a bit off track. The guy is one of Aust most successful breeders via Arrowfield. He’s a successful racehorse Owner. His son is a successful racehorse Trainer. Himself is a very capable Racing Administrator and single handedly, pushed Racing NSW and Australian in the right direction, working “with” the Govt to bring it out of the doldrums. As a result, Racing in Aust is far better off for his direct involvement. So, when he was invited to do a report on NZ Racing, There’s no doubt in my opinion, that the right person was chosen. Sure, some in NZ (eg, BArryB ) might say, “but he’s an Aussie and us kiwis don’t need another Ozzie blah blah blah etc”. The biggest worry for NZ (imho) is “ “What is activated from the Report - if anything?”. Going on past performances, NZR doesn’t do itself any favours and no Govt has ever looked upon it as an Industry that contributes to the NZ Economy and also the social fabric of Society. So much can be done to invigorate it but whether or not the Govt and Racing Authorities have the will to apply the paddles to the patient is another story. But don’t blame Messara - he has the broad knowledge of Racing and he has the runs on the Board - something many on this site don’t have. " Edited August 21, 2018 by hesi 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) Radio New Zealand POLITICS 7:25 am today Racing industry to get govt funding for multiple all-weather tracks 7:25 am today Jo Moir, Political Reporter @jo_moir jo.moir@radionz.co.nz New Zealand First's loyalty to the racing industry has galloped beyond tax breaks for good-looking race horses to include several all-weather race tracks for the industry. The case has been labelled the biggest scandal in Australian horse racing. Photo: Photosport Racing Minister Winston Peters secured a tax change in the Budget this year to allow new investors to claim deductions for the cost of horses based on the "virtue of its bloodlines, looks and racing potential''. It's now been revealed $30 million of contingency funding in the Provincial Growth Fund has been earmarked for the coalition government pet projects and the racing industry is set to benefit. Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones said the money set aside is at the upper limit of what he expects will be needed. The projects, which include a Dunedin centre of digital excellence, the Te Hiku Sports Hub in Kaitaia and several all-weather tracks for the horse racing industry, all came out of coalition talks between Labour and NZ First. Cabinet has effectively already approved them and while final costings are yet to be done, the provincial growth fund will stump up the cash. "These projects can be seen as a coalition dividend, the origins go back to the formation of the government. And now that they're moving through the machinery of government I can assure everyone that they'll be treated in a robust and thorough manner by the officials.'' At the Karaka sales in January Mr Peters confirmed plans for an all-weather track, which he said would save the industry from millions being lost in abandoned races. The whole governance structure of the industry is currently under review by Australian horse owner John Messara who will provide recommendations to the government on its future direction. Mr Jones said it's no state secret NZ First promotes improving racing infrastructure. And potential scraps over which part of the country would get a synthetic track appear to have been resolved with plans to build more than one. "On the question of the various race tracks - how, when, and the scope of the various several race tracks, we'll address that after the Aussie's delivered his report,'' he said. National's economic development spokesman Paul Goldsmith said his party supports the racing industry but the lines are blurred when a project gets the green light simply because a coalition partner likes the sound of it. "They should be able to make their case clear, and open and rigourous, and if it stacks up, it stacks up. "The problem that we've got here is that the whole system is opaque and murky so it's hard to disentangle the arguments, and in that area they're not even making an argument, they're just saying we're going to do it,'' Mr Goldsmith said. Mr Goldsmith described the provincial growth fund criteria as being "as loose and as billowing as the deep blue sea''. "Well what we've seen is that it's an all-purpose political slush fund and you can fit anything into it,'' he said. New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing chief executive Bernard Saundry said the industry has lost nearly $3 million in the last year due to abandoned races. He said the economic flow-on to everyone in the industry is huge and synthetic tracks would go a long way to providing certainty for trainers and owners. "I don't see racing as a rich man's sport. It's a sport that employs directly and indirectly more than 50,000 people, it has an economic impact of $1.6 billion a year and it has a major reach right across the North and South Island - and the export opportunity not only for horses but for people to go and explore the world.'' Labour committed to funding the digital learning centre and Te Hiku Sports Hub during their campaigning last year. Mr Jones said it will be closer to the next election before any race track construction gets underway. Edited August 22, 2018 by hesi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I see they are still talking synthetic tracks??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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