Brodie Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Yes there is a need for racing in the Central Districts at Palmerston North but it is only still going due to Michael House campaigning horses there! Once he decides to stop, you would think it would be all over Rover! Yesterday showed just how weak the class of most of the horses that race there! Taliesin, a horse unplaced in over 30 starts in the South Island bolted in at its first start for Michael House, winning like a champion, untouched! Robbie Holmes had it for plenty of starts, think Trent Yesberg and then Matthew Williamson trained it for no dividend bearing places! Went poor at its last start fir Williamson although they went hard in front with it! A short time later it bolts in untouched at Palmerston North yesterday! Either Michael House is a genius trainer or the standard of horse is so low! I suggest the later! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 So your answer would be to not take horses of a lesser ability to where the competition is of a lesser standard, but to shoot them? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 18 hours ago, Michael said: So your answer would be to not take horses of a lesser ability to where the competition is of a lesser standard, but to shoot them? Were the stakes correspondingly less than elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 A poutama this is getting very odd how horse after horse is improving laps.im not saying it's EPO or some other drugs but something very suss is going on.these young trainers eg Grimson trainer etc cannot improve horses without help of something.when Carter came back from Aussie the Trotter trixton time improved a lap ran than hard and never looked like stopping.hold the phone this is another Blue magic in the cards for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, Forbury said: these young trainers eg Grimson trainer etc cannot improve horses without help of something Grimson and Trainor horses were 'locked up' in the retention barn a year ago for about a month . The stewards ( and everyone ) were wondering about the dramatic Improvement they get with every runner. (And even won the Interdominion with a claimer horse in Dec lol.....) They kept observation for a month but found nothing .... horses kept racing well. I'm gunna call it now !!! . that ex-pat kiwi Jack Trainor will WIN 'the RACE' when he turns up at Cambridge with STYLISH MEMPHIS in a week or two. There ya go .. there's one for you . she's flying at present. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Were the stakes correspondingly less than elsewhere? Stake money Manawatu looked similar to South Islands tracks. 5,000-5,500 for maidens, then 6,000-7,000 as you step up a notch and so on. Bit better than Queensland actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Gammalite said: Stake money Manawatu looked similar to South Islands tracks. 5,000-5,500 for maidens, then 6,000-7,000 as you step up a notch and so on. Bit better than Queensland actually. Gamma, South Island maidens arent racing for $5k bow! More around the $8k plus! Somehow Palmerston North today raced for a minimum of $12k fkr maidens etc. up to $20k and still had small fields. Without Michael House campaigning large no.s then The course is finished surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 54 minutes ago, Brodie said: Without Michael House campaigning large no.s then The course is finished surely? I don't know Michael House Brodster ,, but I Love him !! lol....... anyone that does something pro-active to keep harness racing alive anywhere (including Manawatu where I haven't been actually) is a 'Gun' 'Top' bloke IMO, like Steve Irwin lol. And I know a lot here hate Auckland trots etc, but shouldn't wish it closed ....there's great tradition involved ,what a track it's been, wrong way round and all !!!!! Surely some 'Ingenious kiwis' are plotting how to keep it going ? Can we get Michael House to campaign some teams up there ?? what a legend.. wishing him (MH) many a winner chicken dinner !! (and yourself too of course) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: like Steve Irwin lol. Impressive threads Gamma. Edited March 31, 2022 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Is there anything good to have come out of Palmy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Impressive threads Gamma. Yeah Steve sadly missed (bloody stingray) amongst some fine Aussie lads that do a lot to put Oz on the map. Warnie pretty handy with his balls in his day too, had a big send-off last night at MCG with 60,000 attending. In the harness world we lost Gavin Lang and Vinnie Knight much too young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Bud White on the right. Still living I believe. Edited March 31, 2022 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Bud White on the right. Still living I believe. Yes Thor on the left and Rusty on the right are Immortals I believe. lol.. 50 minutes ago, Ludwig said: Is there anything good to have come out of Palmy? Desert Gold ? she was pretty good back in the day (a few Group 1's and 36 wins from 59 runs) from that area somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 11 hours ago, Brodie said: Gamma, South Island maidens arent racing for $5k bow! More around the $8k plus! Somehow Palmerston North today raced for a minimum of $12k fkr maidens etc. up to $20k and still had small fields. Without Michael House campaigning large no.s then The course is finished surely? Surely this highlights an industry problem with handicapping and Stakes distribution. All very well @Michael to say if these horses didn't race at Palmerston they would be shot but isn't the problem that they are handicapped out of racing too quickly. The same happens in the Thoroughbred code. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 In harness no one seems to tackle the problem. But of course the first problem is to get the Southern administrators to talk to the Northern Clubs and then attempt to find a solution to this insular thinking in the game. Perhaps first move would be to get an even split of administrators from both sides of the straight. And then form committees of doers, not talkers who meet consistently not just once or twice a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 Unfortunately there are huge headwinds for harness in NZ! You can not under estimate the damage that is currently happening to NZ from both the over reaction to the Covid BS and stupid government policy! The cost of living going forward is going to restrict both punting dollar and owners spending money racing horses for a likely loss! The discretionary dollar for many is going to be reduced significantly due to higher housing cost, food, letrol and everything else! The fact is that the government over reaction and the blatant wasting of the citizens money has put the country back decades and someone has to pay for this! The racing industry needs to get their heads out of the sand and support the current participants as there is little chance of attracting new ones into the industry. Transparency needs to come from the NZ TAB but I doubt this will happen as there has not been a y happening over previous years! Encouraging wagering is the only way the industry can stay relevant! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 On 4/1/2022 at 7:41 AM, Chief Stipe said: Surely this highlights an industry problem with handicapping and Stakes distribution. All very well @Michael to say if these horses didn't race at Palmerston they would be shot but isn't the problem that they are handicapped out of racing too quickly. The same happens in the Thoroughbred code. Yes Chief, it might be a problem But then others whine that there aren't enough Open Class horses What's your solution to keep both camps happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 mike Obrien good strike rate @ palmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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