The 5 Greatest Pacers of NZ Trotting History 1980 - 2017?

[Happy Sunrise]

So who would they be?

My top 5 would be Lazarus, Christain Cullen, Courage Under Fire, Terror To Love and Chokin.

No Adore Me, Il Vicolo, Iraklis, Holmes DG, Christoper Vance, Master Mood, Elsu, Monkey King, Christen Me, Luxury Liner, Delightful Lady, Lord Module, Gammalite, Armalight, Hands Down....and many more.

 

NEW ZEALAND TROTTING CUP (Handicap Race, 3200m)

Year	Horse	Age	Hcp	Owner	Driver	Time
2017	Lazarus	5 h	fr	Mrs G J Kennard, P I Kennard, T G Casey, K J Riseley	Mark Purdon	3.55.0
2016	Lazarus	4 h	fr	Mrs G J Kennard, P I Kennard, T G Casey, K J Riseley	Mark Purdon	3.53.1
2015	Arden Rooney	6 g	fr	Mr M W Butterworth and Mrs M T Butterworth	Kerryn Manning	3.57.4
2014	Adore Me	5 m	fr	C J Roberts, P G and Mrs M L Kenny	Mark Purdon	3:54.6
2013	Terror To Love	6 h	fr	McDonald Bloodstock Ltd	Ricky May	3.57.0
2012	Terror To Love	5 h	fr	McDonald Bloodstock Ltd	Ricky May	3:58.6
2011	Terror To Love	4 h	fr	McDonald Bloodstock Ltd	Jim Curtin	4:02.0
2010	Monkey King *	8 g	fr	Cavalla Bloodstock Limited	Ricky May	4:00.7
2009	Monkey King *	7 g	fr	Cavalla Bloodstock Limited	Ricky May	3:57.3
2008	Changeover	5 h	fr	A.T.C. Trot 2006 Syndicate	David Butcher	3:56.4
2007	Flashing Red	10 h	15 m	Ravelyn Pty Ltd, Jenkscraft Pty Ltd	Anthony Butt	3:57.8
2006	Flashing Red	9 h	fr	Ravelyn Pty Ltd, Jenkscraft Pty Ltd	Anthony Butt	4:00.3
2005	Mainland Banner	4 m	fr	I D Dobson, S J Dobson, Lynne Umar	Ricky May	4:04.0
2004	Just An Excuse *	6 g	10 m	O Haines, Mrs I K Haines	Todd Mitchell	4:01.2
2003	Just An Excuse	5 g	fr	O Haines, Mrs I K Haines	Todd Mitchell	4:05.7
2002	Gracious Knight	6 g	fr	Happy Valley Syndicate	Todd Mitchell	4:05.1
2001	Kym’s Girl	7 m	fr	G J Trist, D B Miller, W G Marra	Colin De Filippi	4:05.4
2000	Yulestar	6 g	10 m	Mrs J L Nolan, R P Nolan	Tony Shaw	3:59.1
1999	Homin Hosed	5 g	fr	Mrs M A Macey, B L Macey	Todd Mitchell	4:04.3
1998	Christian Cullen*	4 h	fr	I D Dobson, Mrs D A Dobson, B A O’Meara	Danny Campbell	4:00.4
1997	Iraklis	5 h	fr	R M Cameron, Kypros Kotzikas	Ricky May	4:00.9
1996	Il Vicolo	5 h	10 m	J H Seaton, M Purdon	Mark Purdon	4:02.3
1995	Il Vicolo *	4 h	fr	J H Seaton, M Purdon	Mark Purdon	4:00.4
1994	Bee Bee Cee *	5 h	fr	C J Calvert, Mrs J M Calvert	Jim Curtin	4:01.5
1993	Chokin *	5 g	fr	Pacers Australia/M Joyce/J Loughnan/B De Boer	Tony Herlihy	4:04.7
1992	Blossom Lady *	8 m	fr	Polly Syndicate	Anthony Butt	4:05.0
1991	Christopher Vance *	5 g	fr	R R Reid, Lorna Reid Syndicate, Mrs J C Reid	Tony Herlihy	4:05.3
1990	Neroship	5 h	10 m	G J & Mrs. H J Webber, J W Langdon	John Langdon	4:04.1
1989	Inky Lord	4 h	fr	G M Saunders	Ricky May	4:02.2
1988	Luxury Liner	7 g	10M	R R Reid, Lorna Reid Synd, Mrs J C Reid	Tony Herlihy	4:00.4
1987	Lightning Blue	5 h	fr	N Conidi, A T Hunter, A Prochilo	Jim O’Sullivan	4:05.1
1986	Master Mood *	5 h	fr	K L & Mrs B A Williams, S F & F B Wong	Kevin Williams	4:05.5
1985	Borana	6 h	Fr	J G Murray, Mrs D M Murray	Peter Jones	4:11.1
1984	Camelot		fr	Dr H G Crofts	R D Butt	4:06.4
1983	Steel Jaw		fr	S Everett & O Marr	N J Lang	4:05.3
1982	Bonnie’s Chance		fr	Mesdames K A Grice & V B McGarry	R J Brosnan	4:09
1981	Armalight *		fr	H B Smith	R H Negus	4:08.7
1980	Hands Down *		fr	W H & Mrs M F McAughtrie	P N Jones	4:07.2
1979	Lord Module *	5 h	fr	C C Devine	C C Devine	4:09

[Rangatira]

luxury liner  chokin  christain cullen  terror to love  lazarus

[Happy Sunrise]

3 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

luxury liner  chokin  christain cullen  terror to love  lazarus

Luxury Liner could run all day. Genuine stayer.

[Newmarket]

Hands Down no 1 for me, i know there are many that went quicker etc, but he is my fav. Going to those August meetings at Addington always got me excited for cup time. 

Great mare Armalight comes in at no 2. Amazing record, went some big races at the end of her career against the very best.

Inky Lord in at no 3, mainly just for his cup win, amazing effort after getting knocked over on home turn.

Terrror To Love for his 3 nz cup wins at no 4, and dead heat for no 5, laz and flashing red. 

I know, they are all cup winners, and my favs over the years. Only 3 months till cup! 

[Basil]

4 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said:

So who would they be?

My top 5 would be Lazarus, Christain Cullen, Courage Under Fire, Terror To Love and Chokin.

No Adore Me, Il Vicolo, Iraklis, Holmes DG, Christoper Vance, Master Mood, Elsu, Monkey King, Christen Me, Luxury Liner, Delightful Lady, Lord Module, Gammalite, Armalight, Hands Down....and many more.

2017	Lazarus	5 h	fr	Mrs G J Kennard, P I Kennard, T G Casey, K J Riseley	Mark Purdon	3.55.0
2016	Lazarus	4 h	fr	Mrs G J Kennard, P I Kennard, T G Casey, K J Riseley	Mark Purdon	3.53.1
2015	Arden Rooney	6 g	fr	Mr M W Butterworth and Mrs M T Butterworth	Kerryn Manning	3.57.4
2014	Adore Me	5 m	fr	C J Roberts, P G and Mrs M L Kenny	Mark Purdon	3:54.6
2013	Terror To Love	6 h	fr	McDonald Bloodstock Ltd	Ricky May	3.57.0
2012	Terror To Love	5 h	fr	McDonald Bloodstock Ltd	Ricky May	3:58.6
2011	Terror To Love	4 h	fr	McDonald Bloodstock Ltd	Jim Curtin	4:02.0
2010	Monkey King *	8 g	fr	Cavalla Bloodstock Limited	Ricky May	4:00.7
2009	Monkey King *	7 g	fr	Cavalla Bloodstock Limited	Ricky May	3:57.3
2008	Changeover	5 h	fr	A.T.C. Trot 2006 Syndicate	David Butcher	3:56.4
2007	Flashing Red	10 h	15 m	Ravelyn Pty Ltd, Jenkscraft Pty Ltd	Anthony Butt	3:57.8
2006	Flashing Red	9 h	fr	Ravelyn Pty Ltd, Jenkscraft Pty Ltd	Anthony Butt	4:00.3
2005	Mainland Banner	4 m	fr	I D Dobson, S J Dobson, Lynne Umar	Ricky May	4:04.0
2004	Just An Excuse *	6 g	10 m	O Haines, Mrs I K Haines	Todd Mitchell	4:01.2
2003	Just An Excuse	5 g	fr	O Haines, Mrs I K Haines	Todd Mitchell	4:05.7
2002	Gracious Knight	6 g	fr	Happy Valley Syndicate	Todd Mitchell	4:05.1
2001	Kym’s Girl	7 m	fr	G J Trist, D B Miller, W G Marra	Colin De Filippi	4:05.4
2000	Yulestar	6 g	10 m	Mrs J L Nolan, R P Nolan	Tony Shaw	3:59.1
1999	Homin Hosed	5 g	fr	Mrs M A Macey, B L Macey	Todd Mitchell	4:04.3
1998	Christian Cullen*	4 h	fr	I D Dobson, Mrs D A Dobson, B A O’Meara	Danny Campbell	4:00.4
1997	Iraklis	5 h	fr	R M Cameron, Kypros Kotzikas	Ricky May	4:00.9
1996	Il Vicolo	5 h	10 m	J H Seaton, M Purdon	Mark Purdon	4:02.3
1995	Il Vicolo *	4 h	fr	J H Seaton, M Purdon	Mark Purdon	4:00.4
1994	Bee Bee Cee *	5 h	fr	C J Calvert, Mrs J M Calvert	Jim Curtin	4:01.5
1993	Chokin *	5 g	fr	Pacers Australia/M Joyce/J Loughnan/B De Boer	Tony Herlihy	4:04.7
1992	Blossom Lady *	8 m	fr	Polly Syndicate	Anthony Butt	4:05.0
1991	Christopher Vance *	5 g	fr	R R Reid, Lorna Reid Syndicate, Mrs J C Reid	Tony Herlihy	4:05.3
1990	Neroship	5 h	10 m	G J & Mrs. H J Webber, J W Langdon	John Langdon	4:04.1
1989	Inky Lord	4 h	fr	G M Saunders	Ricky May	4:02.2
1988	Luxury Liner	7 g	10M	R R Reid, Lorna Reid Synd, Mrs J C Reid	Tony Herlihy	4:00.4
1987	Lightning Blue	5 h	fr	N Conidi, A T Hunter, A Prochilo	Jim O’Sullivan	4:05.1
1986	Master Mood *	5 h	fr	K L & Mrs B A Williams, S F & F B Wong	Kevin Williams	4:05.5
1985	Borana	6 h	Fr	J G Murray, Mrs D M Murray	Peter Jones	4:11.1
1984	Camelot		fr	Dr H G Crofts	R D Butt	4:06.4
1983	Steel Jaw		fr	S Everett & O Marr	N J Lang	4:05.3
1982	Bonnie’s Chance		fr	Mesdames K A Grice & V B McGarry	R J Brosnan	4:09
1981	Armalight *		fr	H B Smith	R H Negus	4:08.7
1980	Hands Down *		fr	W H & Mrs M F McAughtrie	P N Jones	4:07.2
1979	Lord Module *	5 h	fr	C C Devine	C C Devine	4:09

I'd almost be the same, but would probably prefer Elsu or possibly Christen Me or Just An Excuse to Courage Under Fire. The latter was an incomparably great 2 and 3yo, but was shaded by some of the others as an open class horse.

Actually, thinking about it a little more, maybe I'd go for Yulestar. He's the only one apart from Lazarus to have won both a Cup and an ID Grand Final. Not only that, but he was the first, and only for quite some time, Cup winner to run under 4.00, and his ID win was in Oz. Yep, I'll put Yulestar in instead of CUF.

[Flagship uberalles]

Hands down, Bonnie's chance, armalight, Christian Cullen. Lord module. No room for Lazarus in my top picks due to lack of serious competition in nz. The others were racing against other champions in every big race.

[Rangatira]

13 hours ago, Newmarket said:

Hands Down no 1 for me, i know there are many that went quicker etc, but he is my fav. Going to those August meetings at Addington always got me excited for cup time. 

would be my fave horse in the period he raced and i totally get the august thing which he owned throw in the easter meetings and he was an addington marvel but im not sure he would even be in my 10 greatest

going to think about 4 horses to add to my personal faves 

[Basil]

12 hours ago, Flagship uberalles said:

Hands down, Bonnie's chance, armalight, Christian Cullen. Lord module. No room for Lazarus in my top picks due to lack of serious competition in nz. The others were racing against other champions in every big race.

These kinds of discussions are always fun because one can never be proved wrong.? So I'll bite. Would you really say Smolda, Tiger Tara, Heaven Rocks, Dream About Me, Christen Me, and Franco Nelson were really not 'serious competition'? Perhaps not in the sense they were, with the benefit of hindsight, ever likely to actually beat Lazarus, but that just reflects the extraordinary magnitude of his dominance, not any lack of quality on their part. 

The other thing that (for me) makes Lazarus stand apart is that he could win away from home. Lord Module hardly ever raced outside the SI, while Hands Down was a shadow of himself away from Addington. Neither even tried to beat the Aussies on their home soil, and nor did Armalight or Bonnie's Chance.  By contrast, Lazarus went, saw, and conquered. On multiple occasions.

[Flagship uberalles]

24 minutes ago, Basil said:

These kinds of discussions are always fun because one can never be proved wrong.? So I'll bite. Would you really say Smolda, Tiger Tara, Heaven Rocks, Dream About Me, Christen Me, and Franco Nelson were really not 'serious competition'? Perhaps not in the sense they were, with the benefit of hindsight, ever likely to actually beat Lazarus, but that just reflects the extraordinary magnitude of his dominance, not any lack of quality on their part. 

The other thing that (for me) makes Lazarus stand apart is that he could win away from home. Lord Module hardly ever raced outside the SI, while Hands Down was a shadow of himself away from Addington. Neither even tried to beat the Aussies on their home soil, and nor did Armalight or Bonnie's Chance.  By contrast, Lazarus went, saw, and conquered. On multiple occasions.

I see where your coming from Harewood, I'm not going on times as tracks are 10 times as fast now, but excitement and Pure crowd pleasing? I can't deny Lazarus is a champion horse but I couldn't name a champion horse he beat, well not one I personally would call an all time great either here or Australia. The crowds that used to flock to see hands down and delightful Lady(can't believe I left her out) I doubt we will see again.

[Rangatira]

41 minutes ago, Basil said:

The other thing that (for me) makes Lazarus stand apart is that he could win away from home. Lord Module hardly ever raced outside the SI, while Hands Down was a shadow of himself away from Addington. Neither even tried to beat the Aussies on their home soil, and nor did Armalight or Bonnie's Chance.  By contrast, Lazarus went, saw, and conquered. On multiple occasions.

hands down did try

[Blossom lady]

44 minutes ago, Basil said:

These kinds of discussions are always fun because one can never be proved wrong.? So I'll bite. Would you really say Smolda, Tiger Tara, Heaven Rocks, Dream About Me, Christen Me, and Franco Nelson were really not 'serious competition'? Perhaps not in the sense they were, with the benefit of hindsight, ever likely to actually beat Lazarus, but that just reflects the extraordinary magnitude of his dominance, not any lack of quality on their part. 

The other thing that (for me) makes Lazarus stand apart is that he could win away from home. Lord Module hardly ever raced outside the SI, while Hands Down was a shadow of himself away from Addington. Neither even tried to beat the Aussies on their home soil, and nor did Armalight or Bonnie's Chance.  By contrast, Lazarus went, saw, and conquered. On multiple occasions.

Think you will find both hands down and lord module both races in oz. 

[Happy Sunrise]

10 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said:

The crowds that used to flock to see hands down and delightful Lady(can't believe I left her out) I doubt we will see again.

I have said this before but it will require a Bonecrusher -  Waverley Star scenario repeated a few times with a bit of drama thrown in.

A genuine rivalry with a bit of needle without the sanitized script of today's coverage.

[Rangatira]

1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said:

I have said this before but it will require a Bonecrusher -  Waverley Star scenario repeated a few times with a bit of drama thrown in.

A genuine rivalry with a bit of needle without the sanitized script of today's coverage.

and no tv coverage?

 

[Happy Sunrise]

6 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

and no tv coverage?

Very true.

[Flagship uberalles]

17 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

and no tv coverage?

 

All the big races in the 80s were covered by tv 1 I used to be very excited at thought of staying up to watch them live

 

30 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

hands down did try

I think you'll find hands down spent the majority of his racing life coming from a back Mark and 3 wide for the last lap!

[Newmarket]

45 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said:

All the big races in the 80s were covered by tv 1 I used to be very excited at thought of staying up to watch them live

 

I think you'll find hands down spent the majority of his racing life coming from a back Mark and 3 wide for the last lap!

You would have to say Christian Cullen was the most followed horse in the last 20 or so years. Maybe it was that he looked so good, omeara trained that made it a horse to get behind. Remember dobson giving away free caps etc also.

Derek jones also took blossom lady on travels too, i remember turning up outside a tab in chch.

Funny how some horses get real following while others not so much

[Rangatira]

19 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Derek jones also took blossom lady on travels too, i remember turning up outside a tab in chch.

i gave her a pat outside the woolston club tab

[Kakama]

9 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

i gave her a pat outside the woolston club tab

Remember that too....looking at all of the horses racing...we have sure been lucky.

While I liked hands down....the mares of the 80s really did more than compete with the males, maybe even better.

Delightful lady, bonniez chance, armalight, glen moria, hilarious guest, glen moria....be some I have forgotten.....don't think we will ever see as many top class mares competing at once again....

[Rangatira]

10 minutes ago, Kakama said:

Delightful lady, bonniez chance, armalight, glen moria, hilarious guest, glen moria....be some I have forgotten.....don't think we will ever see as many top class mares competing at once again....

gina rosa  quiet touch  frangelico  bionic chance  idolmite  miss clevedon  rain girl

Edited August 7, 2018 by Rangatira

[Happy Sunrise]

37 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

You would have to say Christian Cullen was the most followed horse in the last 20 or so years. Maybe it was that he looked so good, omeara trained that made it a horse to get behind. Remember dobson giving away free caps etc also.

Derek jones also took blossom lady on travels too, i remember turning up outside a tab in chch.

Funny how some horses get real following while others not so much

Terror to Love, Christen Me and Iraklis never did it for me. Especially as I liked Robert Cameron horses in the case of Iraklis but I think it was because he never beat any 'stars' in NZ. I could be way off the mark but that era was weak in my opinion.

[Happy Sunrise]

4 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

gina rosa  quiet touch  frangelico  bionic chance 

 My favourites. I loved those mare races.

You just missed Michelle Bromac.

[Rangatira]

1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said:

 My favourites. I loved those mare races.

You just missed Michelle Bromac.

yeah i have added a few more and still missed her

 

Edited August 7, 2018 by Rangatira

[Portfolio]

3 hours ago, Rangatira said:

gina rosa  quiet touch  frangelico  bionic chance  idolmite  miss clevedon  rain girl

Take care, sweet jesica, jilaires chance, miss clevedon, katys command. Very good mares indeed around this time. 

As i live in sth island, apart from major races, didnt really get behind delightful lady, but what a great mare. 47 wins from 141 starts

[hunterthepunter]

11 hours ago, Portfolio said:

Take care, sweet jesica, jilaires chance, miss clevedon, katys command. Very good mares indeed around this time. 

As i live in sth island, apart from major races, didnt really get behind delightful lady, but what a great mare. 47 wins from 141 starts

miss pert was good too

[Basil]

23 hours ago, Rangatira said:

hands down did try

Mea culpa. Now that I bother looking up the records, I see you're absolutely right. Although in HD's case it was one campaign of 3 starts for 3 ducks-eggs. LM did have more goes over a couple of campaigns and even won a couple of races in the process. Nothing of much note though, so I'd argue the substance of my previous post remains.?