Anything to see here?

[Walt]

I had a call lunch time yesterday from an old mate who is almost always on the money when he sends me an alert. 

He tells me, R10 @ Rangiora. The "Hope" stable. Watch the betting and watch the race. 

 

I see Peraki Reactor was drawn favourably after running a slashing race last time out. Will be driven by Tim Williams who knows how to rate a horse better than most. On paper he looks a serious contender and a very good runner to hand up to and trail. 

Rick May is a superb driver. His magnificent record is proof of that. Whenever I hear critiques of Rick it's that he is at times not vigourous enough. He was driving the Hope trained Bettorlini who looked a good chance of leading and handing up to Peraki Reactor based on the draws and previous racing patters of both horses. I saw Bettorlini lead all the way and win for John Dunn on the 20th of March at The Mot so know she can lead and win. 

The second of the Hope runners was Loyalist. He ran 13th of 15 also at Rangiora at his previous start at Rangiora a week earlier. He was 7 lengths + behind Hazer. Loyalist ran the 2600 metres in 3.20. Most who have seen Loyalist go around appreciate he prefers the pace on in his races. The race caller even stated that in his call.

The first surprise for me was seeing Loyalist drop in the fixed odds market from 8 to 5. I immediately made the connection with my midday phone call. 

Bettorlini had designs on the front. No surprise there but the fact Rick May refused to hand up to a very determined hot fav Peraki Reactor was a shock. I can't recall the last time I saw Rick May engaged in a relentless duel for the front. You'd have more success finding Rocking Horse Poo finding a race he'd driven a mare in this manner. At that moment I made a few conclusions. Neither Peraki Reactor or Bettorlini had any chance at al of being in the finish after that sort of burn. Loyalist on the other hand would be loving it. You might say the race was made to order for him. 

The rest of the race contained no surprises. Loyalist won the race very easily by 3+ lengths. His winning time was 3.12 some 8 seconds faster than he ran 7 days prior. Bettorlini ran 13th of 13 over 50 lengths behind the winner, stablemate Loyalist. Peraki Reactor ran 11th of 13 some 38 lengths behind Loyalist. 

Stewards asked Rick May about his drive on Bettorlini but gifted him a free pass.

Race 10   RANGIORA HRC RACING AGAIN MAY 22 MOBILE PACE	Show Video
BETTORLINI - weakened from the 600 metres. When questioned regarding the performance driver R May advised the mare had worked hard in the early stages to hold the lead and then raced lethargically after being positioned in the trail near the 1500 metres. A post-race veterinary examination revealed no abnormalities.

 

Was Bettorlini driven in a manner where she could gain the best possible placing?

Some may say Bettorlini was at least VERY helpful to her stablemate.

The big question of course. Was what unfolded, contrived ?

 

https://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gws/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=RaceVideo&Arg=hrnzg-RacehdrID&Arg=296784&Arg=hrnzg-rSite&Arg=TRUE

[Chief Stipe]

 

[Brodie]

To be fair, you see poor drives in every race and mostly never questioned.

Stewards turn a blind eye to most things including horses that gallop every start!

Of course Ricky should have handed up to Tim as he would have trailed the rest of the race, as Tim would not have handed up!

The runs of Loyalist from last start to yesterday’s run Was like chalk and cheese, and I backed it last start and it went poor!

The thing with harness racing is the unpredictability  of how a race is run by drivers decisions!

The fact that Loyalist likes a fast pace is what the difference was between both its last 2 starts.

The horse had a good run on the outside yesterday whereas the start before The different driver never put the horse in the race.

Rangiora you can not come wide from the back, and be in it!

Pointless questioning drivers as nothing ever happens anyway.

Edited May 8, 2022 by Brodie

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Walt said:

Neither Peraki Reactor or Bettorlini had any chance at al of being in the finish after that sort of burn. Loyalist on the other hand would be loving it. You might say the race was made to order for him.

As the A-Team used to say back in the day "Don't you love it when a plan comes togeather"....

Dunns , Telfers, Allstars often set about looking after stablemates in a race. Seems logical. You're not exctly gunna knock em down , or push em 3 wide are you ??. You might however give the opposition stables a bit of curry. Often I just told the Gate speed horse drivers around at the start , I'm leading no matter what, so you derive your plan off that. Barrier draws usually have the Last Say in Aus. You draw One you lead or trail early . You earned that right. 

Every driver should go in to a race with some sort of plan. and usually do. Many races you are in you're not much chance (e.g outside draws , Allstars in the race , A topliner engaged,  etc) so you might drive to get 'economical run' and do the best you can. If someone decides to take the leader on midrace (and you're not Sundee or an Allstar) then you're just asking to get beat. Best to know what other driver is doing before the race IMO and exp ?

[Gammalite]

9 hours ago, Walt said:

Was Bettorlini driven in a manner where she could gain the best possible placing?

Some may say Bettorlini was at least VERY helpful to her stablemate.

Gidday Walt . to answer your question , it looks like no. and yes VERY helpful indeed.

Thanks to Chief Stipe there for posting video. some beaten a LOoooonnngg way out. Either didn't know their horses very well , or driving to instruction as you are suggesting. (with some accuracy it seems )

I think if you , I , Davis and the Galah were the Racing Day stipe panel, NZ trotting would be cleaned up in a big hurry.!!!!  you betcha. Chief Stipe and Ranga on video duty with special comments sure to help.

and Brodie (as 5th emergency just in case someone is missing) and we need another special comment from him. Could be harsh as he isn't keen on ANY stipes and he could be bagging us instead of the drivers !! lol........

[Brodie]

Doesnt matter how good your horse is if the driver is no good!

A poor driver could get Sundee Son beaten!

I offload on horses often that have drivers with very poor UDR’s on the basis that the horse only needs to be driven reasonably well to pay a dividend!!!!!

However, this horse with the poor driver is driven poorly and is unlucky!

What you learn when you back a horse with a driver that has a low UDR is that chances are your horse needs a little bit more than luck!

There is a reason that Blair Orange, John Dunn, Tim Williams etc. have good UDR’s.

[Brodie]

10 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Gidday Walt . to answer your question , it looks like no. and yes VERY helpful indeed.

Thanks to Chief Stipe there for posting video. some beaten a LOoooonnngg way out. Either didn't know their horses very well , or driving to instruction as you are suggesting. (with some accuracy it seems )

I think if you , I , Davis and the Galah were the Racing Day stipe panel, NZ trotting would be cleaned up in a big hurry.!!!!  you betcha. Chief Stipe and Ranga on video duty with special comments sure to help.

and Brodie (as 5th emergency just in case someone is missing) and we need another special comment from him. Could be harsh as he isn't keen on ANY stipes and he could be bagging us instead of the drivers !! lol........

Gamma why would I bag anyone for commenting on the Premier Racing Blog Site?

None of us are getting remuneration for expressing an opinion!

The Stipes and RIU employees are getting remunerated for their efforts and unfortunately I believe a lot of their decision making is very poor!

They are a protected lot and never have to answer to anyone for these poor decisions that do affect the participants in racing that are keeping those employees in employment!

[Gammalite]

3 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Gamma why would I bag anyone for commenting on the Premier Racing Blog Site?

None of us are getting remuneration for expressing an opinion!

The Stipes and RIU employees are getting remunerated for their efforts and unfortunately I believe a lot of their decision making is very poor!

They are a protected lot and never have to answer to anyone for these poor decisions that do affect the participants in racing that are keeping those employees in employment!

No , sorry Brodster , was just trying for a bit of humour. your comments (opinion) is great !!!

Stipes opinion is worth so much More though . they are experts in their field . as are politicians . as are drivers....lol

In seriousness, no drivers particularly ' like' stipes , as they affect their livelihood. Stipes aren't always gunna ask the questions you want them to ask either don't forget.... as you frequently point out.

Walt has decided they should be asking something in this LOYALIST race . And looks like He is Right ???

Yes, thoroughly agree that some drivers are worth following , Nat , Sam O and Sarah O have looked after me fine.

Interesting to note your boy Tim Williams was involved in the Brad Williamson on MABALENE suspension for a lead challenge that went wrong recently too ?  (Brad suspended) IMO should of been TIM not giving his horse a chance .But it's just subjective I guess...... ANd here he goes again!!!   in this Invercargill race ???  don't think I'd back him with your money lol  he's Not on the Money lol....... 

[Nina Hope]

I can answer your question Wait….. absolutely nothing!!!!!! I  always find it amusing when I see ‘watch the tote’ written about any of our horses!? We don’t bet??? We don’t give our drivers instructions? They drive there own races!!!!! Those two horses have completely different owners and to suggest that we would ever ever sacrifice a horse for the benefit of another really makes me angry!!! There is no way anything was contrived as you suggest!!!!! We work bloody hard to get the results we do and we truely love and care for our horses. To suggest that we are crooked in any way just bloody hurts!!! 

 

[Brodie]

45 minutes ago, Nina Hope said:

I can answer your question Wait….. absolutely nothing!!!!!! I  always find it amusing when I see ‘watch the tote’ written about any of our horses!? We don’t bet??? We don’t give our drivers instructions? They drive there own races!!!!! Those two horses have completely different owners and to suggest that we would ever ever sacrifice a horse for the benefit of another really makes me angry!!! There is no way anything was contrived as you suggest!!!!! We work bloody hard to get the results we do and we truely love and care for our horses. To suggest that we are crooked in any way just bloody hurts!!! 

 

You shouldnt feel hurt Nina,  you , Greg and Ben do a fantastic job for harness racing, always to my mind professional.

As you will be well aware there has always been stable talk etc. and that will always continue.

Personally dont think the Hope stable stable drive and Ricky is not normally such an aggressive driver as you would know better than most!

Not sure why Ricky didnt hand up to Tim and in hindsight he probably be first to admit it, as he cooked your horse and Grant Paynes horse!

At the end of the day the race is run and as in every race there is a winner and more losers.

I backed Loyalist at it previous start reasonably heavily as I thought it would go well from the stand, however it missed away and was never in the race after that!

That is racing and we move on!

Keep up your great work, you deserve the great results that you get, but maybe a quiet word in Ricky’s ear to hand up if Tim comes a calling!

 

[the galah]

While i prefer to just read this forum,i think i have some relevant comments on this topic.

I don't think it an unreasonable thought to consider the possibility the big win mover,loyalist was the subject of a betting plunge. And i don't think it unresonable to consider the possibility that the stable would have been confident of a big showing from loyalist and the horse may have received some support from that stables clients.

But when considering such thought,sall factors need be taken into account.

In this case drivers for the Hope stable are always driving to obtain the best possible result for the horse they drive,and that stable has never had any history of team driving or dishonesty.

I think Brodie has put things in perspective,but like it seems for many who get discussed on social media,those involved can get a bit sensitive as indicated by mrs hopes reply..

I personally think a major reason for the drop in price was caused by some relatively small bets by clients of the TAB, who when they bet on any horse,the TAB immediately will slash the odds.

Loyalist to me was the horse on the day who was most clearly ranked ahead of his race rivals. The start prior was the same,but a second line draw and being positioned at the back in a sprint home meant the last start form could be ignored.

So as a result i know someone who put 2 $25 win bets on the day before which immediately dropped the horse from $8.50 to $7. A bonus $300 bet won in a tab competition was placed on it a place dropping the place odds.Then they again backed it on race day and a couple of $20 bets on 2 different accounts saw its odds immediately drop again to $6.People notice the win movers,and follow the money,which in reality wasn't that much money,merely money coming from people who the TAB recognise  make money off them consistently,and therefore have created an algorithm that will immediately slash the odds by 15-20% even for as little as a $10 bet. Its become a bit of a joke for those concerned,but no bullshit,thats how it works. I can bet on 3 different accounts,say putting $15 to win on a horse paying $10,and if i place the bets 5 minutes apart the odds will drop 3 times.

The tab think they are limiting their losses by reducing the odds on horses bet on by a selected few,but in reality one of the results of them slashing the odds is it attracts more betting on the horses concerned.And of course the tote odds drop as many punters go by the final field odds when placing their bets.Like i said,i think the tab is a joke,but i guess that will just drive certain punters to tabs where they aren't recognised.

Also,people should have a look at the effect a Matt cross 1st selection has on the tote odds of a horse. For example yesterday every top selection he made saw dramatic drops in the tote price. I haven't taken much notice of it before but yesterday he dropped horses by as much as 50%. the tab have a part where you can see the % move in price,and it was surprising how much he could influence a price.

All the above is just another of those things where we say things aren't what they used to be.

[Walt]

On 5/9/2022 at 8:51 PM, Nina Hope said:

I can answer your question Wait….. absolutely nothing!!!!!! I  always find it amusing when I see ‘watch the tote’ written about any of our horses!? We don’t bet??? We don’t give our drivers instructions? They drive there own races!!!!! Those two horses have completely different owners and to suggest that we would ever ever sacrifice a horse for the benefit of another really makes me angry!!! There is no way anything was contrived as you suggest!!!!! We work bloody hard to get the results we do and we truely love and care for our horses. To suggest that we are crooked in any way just bloody hurts!!! 

 

I'm confident you are very aware that "contrived results" occur very often in horse racing. That's a fact. It's also a fact that virtually nobody involved in "contrived results" ever admit their involvement. 

In this life, people do all sorts of things in their quest for $$. That situation is amplified in horse racing when other factors come into play such as increased costs and decreased returns. Harness Racing is not beyond reproach and neither are industry participants. Not sure why you choose to take the high moral ground about working bloody hard and loving your horses. I never questioned that aspect. I also work bloody hard and love my horses but that is not relevant here. 

Stables have been using their numerical advantage to give the edge over rivals for many decades. One of NZ's most respected Harness names were extremely well known for this. There are many ways a stable runner can assist a stablemate in a race. Some are obvious while others are subtle. One subtle action can make the difference of a stablemate winning or not winning a race. 

You betting or not betting is 100% irrelevant. You have many owners and a percentage of those owners will be punters. That is the same situation with virtually all stables. That is not a slur on your good name. It's just a matter of fact. 

Here are some more facts. Please correct me if I err. 

Loyalist was the target of some inspired wagering.

Loyalist prefers the pace on in his races.

No money came for Bettorlini.

Rick May is not regarded as an especially aggressive driver.

Rick is however known by most in the game as a superb driver who can time his run to perfection.

Bettorlini had to work to initially get the front.

She then had to hold out a sustained challenge for a quarter from hot fav Peraki Reactor.

Peraki Reactor was expected to be in the finish so trailing that runner would likely have been a prudent race tactic. 

After the first quarter mile had been run it was very unlikely that neither Peraki Reactor or Bettorlini would be involved in the finish. 

Loyalist on the other hand would have been suited by what unfolded and the main benefactor in the field. 

Loyalist went on to win the race very easily.

Bettorlini finished 13th of 13 some 50 lengths from her stablemate.

Peraki Reactor unsurprisingly didn't fare much better. 

 

Despite these alleged facts, you believe it's unfair and unreasonable to ask questions? 

I've been a supporter of your stable for many years. You are to be commended for your results. The manner in which your stable runners are conditioned is reflected in your results. Young Ben is a credit to you and is improving all the time. I was not a supporter of his earlier driving style but he's clearly working hard to improve. I sincerely believe no other driver in NZ would have achieved better results with the outstanding Muscle Mountain than Ben has.

Happy to give praise and support when appropriate......but also comfortable to ask "reasonable" questions when I feel they are appropriate.  

 

[Chief Stipe]

So one stable runner may have played rabbit.  No guarantee that that alleged action was going to favour one particular horse.

Were the sectionals outlandishly fast?

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Walt said:

I sincerely believe no other driver in NZ would have achieved better results with the outstanding Muscle Mountain than Ben has.

Walt you wrote a great article just above to Nina covering plenty of relevant aspects you headlined in the thread, about that LOYALIST race , and hard to argue with any of your points really.  well said cobber .........

Only picked out this 'comment' to dispute as it is already proven not to be the case.

Matthew Williamson (1 win from 1 drive ) and Ricky May (2 wins from 2 drives ) on Muscle Mountain have 100% records on the horse. Ben does not. so those 2 drivers have therefore achieved better results with that horse to date. 

In the hands of John Dunn, Tony Herlihy or Kate Gath (who are all excellent trotter drivers), that exceptional trotter would still win IMO. He has knocked off Sundee's Son 2 or 3 times. wow.! Only one to do that against that Champion of this era. Well done Muscle Mountain connections . quite brilliant.

[Newmarket]

You could look at races each week where this sort of thing happens. 
i am always amazed at the obvious ones, when the  leader is  battling and comes of rail to let stablemate or a cuzzie bro a clear run. Stipes never pull them up. 
 

Sadly, unless the money is up, the main players in the Canterbury Area are all mates, they allow Dunn & Orange to dictate a slow pace without challenges, for the obvious results. 
We have the most boring Harness Racing in Australasia in Canterbury, unless of course, the big money is up, then not surprisingly you see the tight racing. 

[Chief Stipe]

43 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

i am always amazed at the obvious ones, when the  leader is  battling and comes of rail to let stablemate or a cuzzie bro a clear run. Stipes never pull them up. 

So you'd rather see a tiring leader cart the WHOLE inside line backwards?

[the galah]

I think Walts questions were fair and understandable. And in this case Nina hope answered them from her perspective.I personally think suggesting ricky may had any thought of what would help loyalists chances when he drove bertolinni is way off base,but everyone is entitled to their opinions.  Having a discussion about races run is part of what makes harness racing tick.

I replied because personally i think the betting plunge theory is a red herring.I have pointed out odds will be slashed even when very little money is invested.Its just as much about who is putting the money on as it is about how much money.Thats a fact. People may struggle to get that into their heads,but it true.

I don't  agree with those who suggest drivers or trainers in the south island aren't always trying or that the bigger stake races are more competitive.  I would say those who say that simply don't follow the form close enough of the lesser grade horses..I agree with brodie in that i would much rather bet on a midweek harness south island meeting than a premier meeting. We say that for a reason.

I don't think there is the depth of top quality drivers like there used to be,but i have no doubts everyone is giving it their best shot.Occasionally you will see some poor drives by even the best,but thats not to say they didn't try.Take another from the hope stable in westar lad at addington yesterday driven by John dunn.Now he is a great driver,and i'm sure he was trying,but he drove e very poor tactical race.Maybe the stable may defend his drive and say it is a horse with a sit sprint but that would be ignoring the race video. But its always best just to tell it as it is.All that proves is even the best aren't perfect. 

As to michael house's team.He is a shining light that everyone should admire in my opinion. 

And as to boring harness racing. Menagle is just that to me.

[Newmarket]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

So you'd rather see a tiring leader cart the WHOLE inside line backwards?

That’s a silly question Chief? If your leading a race and starting to fade the inside line of horses will get carried back by tiring runner. What do you think should happen,shunt parked and 3 wide runners wider so trailing horses get a run before passing lane? 
 

Needs to be more action taken on this, it’s a sham that needs sorted. 

[Chief Stipe]

6 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

That’s a silly question Chief? If your leading a race and starting to fade the inside line of horses will get carried back by tiring runner. What do you think should happen,shunt parked and 3 wide runners wider so trailing horses get a run before passing lane? 

Why is it a silly question?  If you have punted on a trailing horse that gets carted back by a tiring runner often you have done your dough.  If the driver decides to push out rather than get shunted and doesn't do it according to the rules they get hammered.  Generally the tiring horse doesn't start tiring before the 600m and when they are tired they tend to run out anyway.  Why not move off the rail, move to the outside and give everyone a chance.  Hell they do it with breaking horses.

[Chief Stipe]

58 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Needs to be more action taken on this, it’s a sham that needs sorted. 

And we wonder why Drivers don't want to hand up the lead!

[Gammalite]

43 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

And we wonder why Drivers don't want to hand up the lead!

Is why you need just mile and mile and a quarter racing . More of an even pattern emerges (based on barrier draw)

 

2 hours ago, the galah said:

 

And as to boring harness racing. Menagle is just that to me.

Is why you Don't need just mile and mile and a quarter racing. Gets boring like Menangle , Brisbane , America etc ......

The NZ racing is so much more 'Interesting' to view , with the out-dated standing starts, grass, long distance racing and all that sort of stuff. Criticise it , yet still enjoy it !!! lol.....

2 hours ago, the galah said:

As to michael house's team.He is a shining light that everyone should admire in my opinion.

Here here Mr Galah, Cannot wish this guy enough winners , with what he does around the nation , not only helping young drivers become good ones, helping owners place horses where they can win And supporting clubs like Manawatu to keep going . MH the modern legend.

Also admire the great results of the HOPE team. what a sterling job they are doing as mentioned above by many posters. 

Did you enjoy the Aussie raider taking Messenger Mr Galah?? what a ripper. Hope someone has a crack at Auckland Cup from Aussie in true GAMMALITE style !!!  (He knocked off Bonnie's Chance to win one lol....)

[Brodie]

Ricky May’s drive on Bettorlini was not great and as I say he probably admits it in hindsight!

However, these things do happen and  Matthew Williamson’s drive on Gypsy yesterday was a shocker as well, from a driver that represented NZ at the world drivers champs !

Havent checked to see whether he was asked about it from the Stipes?

Gypsy was very poorly driven last start as well as Matthew did not appear too interested as he stayed on the fence and got held up badly!

Yes I backed it last start and said never again!

Yesterday when very short, Matthew put the horse in the race by easing early and then making a run at the 1400m and sitting parked and gone at the 400metres, easily beaten!

Now anyone that follows Canterbury racing should know that Gypsy was going to stop as it needs a sit!

Not sure at all what he was thinking as he was never going to get to the front?

Racing is like that, we think as punters that we know what we are doing and then we are wrecked by the drivers actions which basically is what governs whether we win or lose!

Personally do not think there was any skullduggery going on with the Loyalist/ Bettorlini race and as The Galah states, it takes very little to alter odds on a fixed odds bet, especially if they know who the punter is!

Harness racing is struggling in NZ and has been for a long time and this Covid BS has certainly not helped.

We all need to hang in there to get thru this and we are not being helped at the moment by several paid parties who in my humble opinion are doing a crap job!

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by Brodie

[Newmarket]

8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Why is it a silly question?  If you have punted on a trailing horse that gets carted back by a tiring runner often you have done your dough.  If the driver decides to push out rather than get shunted and doesn't do it according to the rules they get hammered.  Generally the tiring horse doesn't start tiring before the 600m and when they are tired they tend to run out anyway.  Why not move off the rail, move to the outside and give everyone a chance.  Hell they do it with breaking horses.

Your a little simple at times, one reason I stopped posting on this site, and of course the bundle of adverts which is a joke.

Let me say it again, here’s 2 scenarios and believe me, they happen all the time. 

1- A horse begins to tire, has horses on its outside so the trailing horse has nowhere to go but get carted back. This happens, have no issue with it, thats racing. 
 

2- A horse begins to tire, but driver knows stablemate or mate behind him.  Will do everything he can to let the inside runner through, rather than wait for passing lane. It’s crooked shit, it annoys the hell out of me, thieves on wheels alright. Hope you understand now
 

 

 

 

[Gammalite]

35 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Your a little simple at times, one reason I stopped posting on this site

If only that was true.!!!  Not sure why you attack Chief for expressing an opinion on platform that he puts there for you to denounce harness racing (yet again)

Your scenarios are actually very rare. I do remember the Galah pointing out a Rogerson one (your scenario 2) which happened a year or two ago . which was pretty accurate 'MeetMeIn Serrento' the benificiary.

Happy Sunrise actually accused Blair Orange of killing a horse (total rubbish , not his doing at all) on another site that completely stopped all comment there , which really sucks . but why are so people so mean ? 

How about you post your favourite horse and driver (s) to get a Positive vibe going ??????????????????

I'll lead out with " i'm in love with Nat " lol..... can anyone there beat the fine QLD lass ??

 

[Brodie]

29 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

If only that was true.!!!  Not sure why you attack Chief for expressing an opinion on platform that he puts there for you to denounce harness racing (yet again)

Your scenarios are actually very rare. I do remember the Galah pointing out a Rogerson one (your scenario 2) which happened a year or two ago . which was pretty accurate 'MeetMeIn Serrento' the benificiary.

Happy Sunrise actually accused Blair Orange of killing a horse (total rubbish , not his doing at all) on another site that completely stopped all comment there , which really sucks . but why are so people so mean ? 

How about you post your favourite horse and driver (s) to get a Positive vibe going ??????????????????

I'll lead out with " i'm in love with Nat " lol..... can anyone there beat the fine QLD lass ??

 

Gamma, not too sure you shouldve put that last line??