nomates Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Hahahaha , yet again , within half an hour of racing commencing Hawera has been called off , it's like the Punch and Judy show , just a bunch of puppets running the show . Plain embarrassing . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 It's all good tho , owners will get $250 to cover their cost of travelling . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Come in Waverley. This is your time to shine, again. There are 4 jumps races at Trentham on Saturday and a midweeker at Woodville so no real need for a replacement meeting. You might say that the Awapuni AWT can't get going soon enough, but the bigger worry is that once it does get going all the regional tracks like Woodville, Waverly and Hawera will probably be closed down. This weekend has been a real indication in the NI that a lot of horses actually want the heavy tracks. Three NI meetings all on really heavy tracks and hardly any scratchings out of the fields. You do wonder where they will race in coming years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doomed said: You do wonder where they will race in coming years. They wont , owners will continue to walk away . How many of the jumpers were looking to get a run under their belts before next week ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whyisit Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Doomed said: Come in Waverley. This is your time to shine, again. There are 4 jumps races at Trentham on Saturday and a midweeker at Woodville so no real need for a replacement meeting. You might say that the Awapuni AWT can't get going soon enough, but the bigger worry is that once it does get going all the regional tracks like Woodville, Waverly and Hawera will probably be closed down. This weekend has been a real indication in the NI that a lot of horses actually want the heavy tracks. Three NI meetings all on really heavy tracks and hardly any scratchings out of the fields. You do wonder where they will race in coming years. Waverley and Hawera wont get closed down . New Plymouth hasn't got a guaranteed future as yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, Whyisit said: Waverley and Hawera wont get closed down You sure about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Probably near to the point where they need to close down winter racing altogether apart from the AWTs which don't suit most winter gallopers anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whyisit Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, Freda said: You sure about that? If New Plymouth goes where do they race. Stratford is a no no There's only Hawera left Waverley is a Trials Centre /training and racing track. I hear on the grape vine Levin has been asked to join RACE AWT aren't the answer to successful racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, Whyisit said: If New Plymouth goes where do they race. Stratford is a no no There's only Hawera left Waverley is a Trials Centre /training and racing track. I hear on the grape vine Levin has been asked to join RACE The last time Race asked Levin to join them they had the might of NZTR there as well , I was there and to say that they got the short shift is putting it mildly . Sargent from NZTR even gave veiled threats about the future of LRC if they didn't but to no avail . Whether the there is a will to say no again is still there i can't say . Race will want LRC's finances . I would think it would also all but end the J/O's there as Race have the A/W . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, Whyisit said: AWT aren't the answer to successful racing. I wonder if NZTR know this , i am assuming not . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, Whyisit said: If New Plymouth goes where do they race. Stratford is a no no There's only Hawera left Waverley is a Trials Centre /training and racing track. I hear on the grape vine Levin has been asked to join RACE AWT aren't the answer to successful racing. I know nothing about the people involved, but from everything I read on here RACE seems to be a disaster and disfunctional. If Levin has been asked to join you can almost guess what their answer might be. The indications to date are that these ad hoc regional groupings as a way of supposedly efficiently running various race clubs don't seem to work. They often involve dominant clubs wanting to close down or take advantage in some fashion of the smaller clubs. Often as a means of disguising the poor performance of those dominant clubs. The Otago Southland example I think was reasonably successful. Does it still exist? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, curious said: Probably near to the point where they need to close down winter racing altogether apart from the AWTs which don't suit most winter gallopers anyway. If things are managed properly there is simply no reason to close down winter racing , it can be just as enjoyable as summer racing in it's own capacity . It is short sighted mismanagement that has us in this position . Will it change , unlikely , so natural attrition will eventually shrink NZ racing to a small pocket of enthusiasts . Closing down winter racing would simply accelerate that process . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 I have a vague idea that Foxton's isolation came about because they didn't want to have anything to do with RACE. Is that correct? If it is correct you would think that everyone would agree they showed more intelligence than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 2 hours ago, nomates said: Hahahaha , yet again , within half an hour of racing commencing Hawera has been called off , it's like the Punch and Judy show , just a bunch of puppets running the show . Plain embarrassing . I don't think they are puppets. If so, they have lost their strings. Muppets maybe? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Doomed said: I know nothing about the people involved, but from everything I read on here RACE seems to be a disaster and disfunctional. If Levin has been asked to join you can almost guess what their answer might be. The indications to date are that these ad hoc regional groupings as a way of supposedly efficiently running various race clubs don't seem to work. They often involve dominant clubs wanting to close down or take advantage in some fashion of the smaller clubs. Often as a means of disguising the poor performance of those dominant clubs. The Otago Southland example I think was reasonably successful. Does it still exist? Levin was part of the Horowhenua consortium with OMRC and while not a complete disaster it didn't really work , Levin especially from what i seen and heard was always short changed on the track maintenance especially , but i think both clubs gave a sigh when it finally dissolved , OMRC the joined Race which was never really worked for them either and were more than happy when that dissolved also . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doomed said: I have a vague idea that Foxton's isolation came about because they didn't want to have anything to do with RACE. Is that correct? If it is correct you would think that everyone would agree they showed more intelligence than most. Foxton and Levin both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, nomates said: Levin was part of the Horowhenua consortium with OMRC and while not a complete disaster it didn't really work , Levin especially from what i seen and heard was always short changed on the track maintenance especially , but i think both clubs gave a sigh when it finally dissolved , OMRC the joined Race which was never really worked for them either and were more than happy when that dissolved also . It's hard to think of a situation where any consortium of clubs has worked. NZTR itself probably the biggest disaster. Be interesting to see how the Auckland one pulls up once the initial lust wears off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Tab account looking good. All bets refunded. Looks like I'm punting on the dishlickers today. hj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Doomed said: I have a vague idea that Foxton's isolation came about because they didn't want to have anything to do with RACE. Is that correct? If it is correct you would think that everyone would agree they showed more intelligence than most. I Don't know what Foxton had to offer Race but Levin were and still are a financially strong club that owns it's own track , hence Race were very keen to get control , at the meeting i mentioned before it was made clear that Race would be the managers of the Levin track and couldn't give assurances that the track wouldn't be sold , no one in their right mind would accept that offer , Sargent was very pissed . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 Just now, curious said: It's hard to think of a situation where any consortium of clubs has worked. NZTR itself probably the biggest disaster. Be interesting to see how the Auckland one pulls up once the initial lust wears off. It works if the smaller entities are accepting that they don't really hold any power , the problem with the Horowhenua consortium was that neither club really had their heart in it , what i called told was that the LRC representative that went to the final signing was actually supposed to go with the intention of withdrawing LRC from the consortium but because he thought i was the right thing to do still signed , false or true i can't say just what i got told . Race purely wanted LRC strong finances and track because they were in a poor financial position , i don't think that has changed no matter how much they doth protest that things are all good . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 6 hours ago, Whyisit said: If New Plymouth goes where do they race. Stratford is a no no There's only Hawera left Waverley is a Trials Centre /training and racing track. I hear on the grape vine Levin has been asked to join RACE AWT aren't the answer to successful racing. Was it a good idea to sell Stratford then , being so close to New Plymouth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Doomed said: I know nothing about the people involved, but from everything I read on here RACE seems to be a disaster and disfunctional. If Levin has been asked to join you can almost guess what their answer might be. The indications to date are that these ad hoc regional groupings as a way of supposedly efficiently running various race clubs don't seem to work. They often involve dominant clubs wanting to close down or take advantage in some fashion of the smaller clubs. Often as a means of disguising the poor performance of those dominant clubs. The Otago Southland example I think was reasonably successful. Does it still exist? Ain't that all the truth! Otago Southland yes and no. Gallop South exists as a common Secretary/CEO group with the majority of the Otago and Southland Clubs but the Otago Racing Club works on its own. No idea what happened but it has been like that for several years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 6 hours ago, Whyisit said: If New Plymouth goes where do they race. Stratford is a no no There's only Hawera left Waverley is a Trials Centre /training and racing track. I hear on the grape vine Levin has been asked to join RACE AWT aren't the answer to successful racing. Wow, if Levin joined Race that would be like jumping onto the Titanic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whyisit Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, Huey said: Was it a good idea to sell Stratford then , being so close to New Plymouth? Dunno what's happened to Stratford last I heard was that they had deregistered themselves from the NZTR, whether that has been the case who knows. They do allow NP trainers to go down and gallop every year whilst their track surface is rested or as in this year repaired. Perhaps Big Al could whisper in the Bro's ear that that STFD is not such a bad track the wins are coming a plenty and from what I hear he gets Saturday gallops on the grass as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Reefton said: Ain't that all the truth! Otago Southland yes and no. Gallop South exists as a common Secretary/CEO group with the majority of the Otago and Southland Clubs but the Otago Racing Club works on its own. No idea what happened but it has been like that for several years I think Andre Klein may have been the glue that tied it all together. For now, Jo Gordon does a great job for several clubs behind the scenes - as if she isn't busy enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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