Waverley Races 28 July 2022 - Abandoned

[Chief Stipe]

[Chief Stipe]

But you can bet on the Pakenham Synthetic meeting.

Perhaps the TAB bookies could run odds on a meeting being abandoned.  

[curious]

59 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

But you can bet on the Pakenham Synthetic meeting.

Perhaps the TAB bookies could run odds on a meeting being abandoned.  

Te Rapa? Rain and thunderstorms today. Showers, some heavy tomorrow. Periods of heavy rain Saturday.

Odds?

[Huey]

It's comforting to know that NZTR will have a back up plan for racing in about 6 months or perhaps just another hard hitting email from the CEO?

[nomates]

2 minutes ago, Huey said:

It's comforting to know that NZTR will have a back up plan for racing in about 6 months 

Yeah it's called summer , where at least most of the time meetings aren't abandoned .

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, curious said:

Te Rapa? Rain and thunderstorms today. Showers, some heavy tomorrow. Periods of heavy rain Saturday.

Odds?

Isn't it now a sand based free draining track?  👅 in cheek!

 

[Huey]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

Yeah it's called summer , where at least most of the time meetings aren't abandoned .

Me thinks your confidence is misfounded - 6 months later in NZ ....!

Edited July 27, 2022 by Huey

[nomates]

16 minutes ago, Huey said:

Me thinks your confidence is misfounded - 6 months later in NZ ....!

Ye of little faith , they've got it under control .

[nomates]

I wonder if they are putting on an extra meeting next week or are they , as i suspect , just going to let everybody take their chances at Hawera .

[Doomed]

50 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Isn't it now a sand based free draining track?  👅 in cheek!

 

You can say what you like about Te Rapa, and it certainly isn't a track I bet much on these days, but it certainly has been able stand up to a hell of a lot of rain. Purely from the drainage perspective it has probably been a success: very much a horses for courses and front runners track though.

[Doomed]

40 minutes ago, nomates said:

I wonder if they are putting on an extra meeting next week or are they , as i suspect , just going to let everybody take their chances at Hawera .

15 days between CD racemeetings and the next two meetings both low key ones. Next meeting with decent stakes is Taranaki on 20 Aug. And it's likely to be a bog. Long time between drinks. 

Hard to know if that will help or hinder the Riccarton meeting. I wonder what the contingency is if Riccarton is unusable due to rain? Winter Cup at Timaru, or on the AWT? I wonder which trainers would prefer?

[Ludwig]

On 7/28/2022 at 1:02 PM, Doomed said:

15 days between CD racemeetings and the next two meetings both low key ones. Next meeting with decent stakes is Taranaki on 20 Aug. And it's likely to be a bog. Long time between drinks. 

Hard to know if that will help or hinder the Riccarton meeting. I wonder what the contingency is if Riccarton is unusable due to rain? Winter Cup at Timaru, or on the AWT? I wonder which trainers would prefer?

I thought Ashburton was now the preferred backup choice. It would be interesting if Ashburton suddenly became "uncooperative".

[curious]

You'ld hardly run the Grand National at Ashburton would you?

[Freda]

No, but you could at Timaru!

[Assange]

On 7/28/2022 at 1:02 PM, Doomed said:

15 days between CD racemeetings and the next two meetings both low key ones. Next meeting with decent stakes is Taranaki on 20 Aug. And it's likely to be a bog. Long time between drinks. 

Hard to know if that will help or hinder the Riccarton meeting. I wonder what the contingency is if Riccarton is unusable due to rain? Winter Cup at Timaru, or on the AWT? I wonder which trainers would prefer?

15 days in between racedays is a ludicrus situation. We have had wet winters before. Why couldnt they have given a temporary license to Foxton under extenuating circumstances.  Feel sorry for owners and trainers, jockeys in central districts. All the suits are on salaries so do they really care?

[curious]

2 hours ago, Freda said:

No, but you could at Timaru!

Or maybe Waimate? But then why not shift the whole meeting there? Only now they are trying to figure out what horses might be coming for the jumping races and deciding whether they will run them or not.

[nomates]

6 minutes ago, curious said:

Or maybe Waimate? But then why not shift the whole meeting there? Only now they are trying to figure out what horses might be coming for the jumping races and deciding whether they will run them or not.

It's a sad state of affairs , going to be interesting to see the numbers and how many NI's flat horses actually travel south . Used to be an absolute standout week , another one shot to shit .

[Doomed]

1 hour ago, curious said:

 Only now they are trying to figure out what horses might be coming for the jumping races and deciding whether they will run them or not.

Surely that cannot be correct? Surely they have been talking to jumps trainers for months to ascertain their intentions? They have tried to remove any alternative opportunities in the NI.

I find it hard to believe that as incompetent as these people are, that they didn't have idea what the jumps fields would look like several weeks ago.

[Freda]

7 minutes ago, Doomed said:

Surely that cannot be correct? Surely they have been talking to jumps trainers for months to ascertain their intentions? They have tried to remove any alternative opportunities in the NI.

I find it hard to believe that as incompetent as these people are, that they didn't have idea what the jumps fields would look like several weeks ago.

BELIEVE IT.

[Ludwig]

6 minutes ago, Freda said:

BELIEVE IT.

What's the feeling on the ground amongst the trainers as to whether the jumps races will proceed? 

[Doomed]

I have just seen the notice you are referring to. I am staggered. It is probably no secret I think the CJC are incompetent and arrogant, and NZTR....well, probably much the same, but I really did think both bodies would have been sitting back smugly for weeks thinking "everyone thinks we have cocked up, but we know almost exactly how many jumpers are targetting Riccarton".

[Doomed]

They surely can't pull the pin on the Nationals? They are worth $100,000 last time I looked. Some trainers will have been targeting them all season.

[curious]

15 minutes ago, Doomed said:

They surely can't pull the pin on the Nationals? They are worth $100,000 last time I looked. Some trainers will have been targeting them all season.

One of the bizarre comments in the email is "This information will be used to determine what races can be run and to give some surety to trainers prior to making travel arrangements."

Certainly, in several instances I know of, those arrangements were being made weeks ago and training and programming plans months ago. What are they thinking?

[Freda]

28 minutes ago, Ludwig said:

What's the feeling on the ground amongst the trainers as to whether the jumps races will proceed? 

I don't know.   Given that there are now no [ sorry Meg, one ] jumper in training in the south, most aren't actually concerned with jumping numbers.

I don't mean they don't care, but it isn't right in their focus right now, with their own teams to deal with.

[curious]

Looks like they have gone into a last minute panic!

GRAND NATIONAL FESTIVAL OF RACING
FIRST DAY ON THE TURF
Contrary to rumours that seem to be travelling the length and breadth of New Zealand the first day of the Grand National Festival HAS NOT been transferred to the Polytrack.
The First and Third days of the festival have been scheduled to run on the Turf Course Proper and that remains the intention.
The only reason for the Club and NZTR to justify a shift would be if the Turf was for some reason unusable or unsafe for racing. That is not the case.
Kind regards