Waverley Races 28 July 2022 - Abandoned

[nomates]

22 hours ago, Huey said:

Highly likely to be called off then, $300k in stakes where will they go?

Well Huey , i can tell you they are not going to help owners . Taupo on Wednesday has 7 races programmed , only 7 , don't ask me why when at this time of year and the trial numbers show there is plenty of horses around to fill fields . Nom's out and they have the numbers to split 3 races , a R65 1300 ,a mdn 1800 and a mdn 1200 , but no they are only going to split 2 of them , they aren't going to split the 1200 mdn . 

What a fucken joke , and yes i am talking thru my pocket , i have one nom'd , won 2 trials and as it stands won't make the field .

I hope someone from NZTR does read this because read this you fucken morons , this is why people are getting out of racing horses here . If you are going to split any race it's the mdn 1200 , these are the young horses of the future . Wake the fuck up and start serving the people who investing in this sport .

This is a perfect example of them trying to manage things to suit themselves , they are trying to corral horses to the Cambridge meeting on Wednesday , not fucken on . 

Pissed off doesn't even start to cover my feelings at this shambles .

[curious]

4 hours ago, nomates said:

 So we are yet to see one meeting saved by the A/W's in any jurisdiction .

Are you saying that if all the AW meetings had been instead programmed on the grass that none of them would have been abandoned?

[nomates]

10 minutes ago, curious said:

Are you saying that if all the AW meetings had been instead programmed on the grass that none of them would have been abandoned?

No , the rhetoric we got from the start was that we wouldn't see meetings abandoned thru wet weather , well hello . Haven't seen one meeting that might have been threatened by adverse weather moved to an available A/W track either .

[Joe Bloggs]

4 hours ago, nomates said:

Taranaki OFF , with nothing about looking at moving it elsewhere tomorrow , just go Feck yourself owners . 

So we are yet to see one meeting saved by the A/W's in any jurisdiction .

The AW at Sunshine Coast is used for transferred/defaulted meetings, it's been busier than a one armed barman, if they scheduled a meet there it would be a disaster....oh that's right, they tried that, and guess what, it was....a fucking disaster that is........the vast majority of trainers here wont have a bar of it, those that do are trainers that through desperation ran theirs, and found to their amazement and owners joy....oh joy, he/she handled it and won/placed....beating the other 2-3 horses that bothered to turn up........go figure?....FFS......

[curious]

7 minutes ago, nomates said:

No , the rhetoric we got from the start was that we wouldn't see meetings abandoned thru wet weather , well hello . Haven't seen one meeting that might have been threatened by adverse weather moved to an available A/W track either .

I don't think it was ever intended that meetings programmed for grass, if abandoned would be transferred to the AWs except perhaps in very rare circumstances. Probably not feasible in most instances in 48 hours or less unless the abandoned meeting was at the same track as the AW.

The idea as I understood it was that by programming more winter meetings on the AWs the chance of those meetings being abandoned would be slim. At the same time, reducing the load on the grass tracks would give them more recovery and preparation time thereby potentially reducing the chance of abandonments at those meetings.

[Joe Bloggs]

19 minutes ago, curious said:

I don't think it was ever intended that meetings programmed for grass, if abandoned would be transferred to the AWs except perhaps in very rare circumstances. Probably not feasible in most instances in 48 hours or less unless the abandoned meeting was at the same track as the AW.

The idea as I understood it was that by programming more winter meetings on the AWs the chance of those meetings being abandoned would be slim. At the same time, reducing the load on the grass tracks would give them more recovery and preparation time thereby potentially reducing the chance of abandonments at those meetings.

That's a vastly different MO to VIC, they were built exactly for that reason........ a viable alternative to the abandoned meet......it happens all the time in VIC, going back to when Geelong was constructed, Ballarat cops so many abandoned meets, and Pakenham will cop their share......what it is doing though is as you suggested earlier, it's building a pool of horses and connections that love the AWT.......

[nomates]

17 minutes ago, curious said:

I don't think it was ever intended that meetings programmed for grass, if abandoned would be transferred to the AWs except perhaps in very rare circumstances. Probably not feasible in most instances in 48 hours or less unless the abandoned meeting was at the same track as the AW.

The idea as I understood it was that by programming more winter meetings on the AWs the chance of those meetings being abandoned would be slim. At the same time, reducing the load on the grass tracks would give them more recovery and preparation time thereby potentially reducing the chance of abandonments at those meetings.

Well i and many others read it differently . Plus they seem to do it in Aus , xfering within a a few days , buggers up the fields tho . They still don't get it tho , the numbers tell the story , people want grass track trials and racing more than they do A/W , yet they are still forcing A/W down peoples throat , throwing money at The A/W races , haven't seen them do that at any other industry days . Like what i said earlier about not splitting a mdn 1200 full of young horses because they want to ensure some will race on Wednesday . The whole system is fundamentally flawed when they are trying corral racing where they want it .

[nomates]

And a question for anybody to answer , why don't they programme summer meetings at the A/W tracks for the horses that like them , what are they suppose to do , just like we used to have winter racing for the horses that like and needed wet tracks .

[Joe Bloggs]

28 minutes ago, nomates said:

And a question for anybody to answer , why don't they programme summer meetings at the A/W tracks for the horses that like them , what are they suppose to do , just like we used to have winter racing for the horses that like and needed wet tracks .

Ahhh, now that's a question?.......a certain trainer thought it to be the ants pants, and just the dooziest of training surfaces, same fella is not training the amount of winners he probably thought he might......funny that, the attrition rate might be through the roof too.......like it was up at Toowoomba, and Geelong, where the attrition rate was diabolical, so they threw the fucking things to the shithouse........

[curious]

Some good news from Waverley.

The RIB and Club representatives inspected the Waverley track on Friday afternoon. The track is currently in good order, albeit heavy, and considered safe for racing.

[All The Aces]

8 hours ago, nomates said:

Well Huey , i can tell you they are not going to help owners . Taupo on Wednesday has 7 races programmed , only 7 , don't ask me why when at this time of year and the trial numbers show there is plenty of horses around to fill fields . Nom's out and they have the numbers to split 3 races , a R65 1300 ,a mdn 1800 and a mdn 1200 , but no they are only going to split 2 of them , they aren't going to split the 1200 mdn . 

What a fucken joke , and yes i am talking thru my pocket , i have one nom'd , won 2 trials and as it stands won't make the field .

I hope someone from NZTR does read this because read this you fucken morons , this is why people are getting out of racing horses here . If you are going to split any race it's the mdn 1200 , these are the young horses of the future . Wake the fuck up and start serving the people who investing in this sport .

This is a perfect example of them trying to manage things to suit themselves , they are trying to corral horses to the Cambridge meeting on Wednesday , not fucken on . 

Pissed off doesn't even start to cover my feelings at this shambles .

The maiden 1200m has a starting limit of 12 and I note that Mark Walker has 8 horses listed in the top twelve ranked entries (9 counting back to 14). By the way I can't see any horse outside of the top 12 that has won two trials.  

[nomates]

11 hours ago, All The Aces said:

The maiden 1200m has a starting limit of 12 and I note that Mark Walker has 8 horses listed in the top twelve ranked entries (9 counting back to 14). By the way I can't see any horse outside of the top 12 that has won two trials.  

They have now put them in an order of running , hadn't when i had my rant . It still doesn't detract from the fact that 13 young horses won't get a run , when these are the new crop and should be given every opportunity . Also i would suggest 2 mdn 1200 chock full of race form and strong trial form willbring far more betting interest than 2 staying mdn races who have had plenty of chances .

The interesting thing will be how many of the Walker horses run against each other . I would have thought Te Akau would have been on to them to split the race .

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

The interesting thing will be how many of the Walker horses run against each other . I would have thought Te Akau would have been on to them to split the race

Obviously they don't have as much influence as some people attest.

[All The Aces]

3 hours ago, nomates said:

They have now put them in an order of running , hadn't when i had my rant . It still doesn't detract from the fact that 13 young horses won't get a run , when these are the new crop and should be given every opportunity . Also i would suggest 2 mdn 1200 chock full of race form and strong trial form willbring far more betting interest than 2 staying mdn races who have had plenty of chances .

The interesting thing will be how many of the Walker horses run against each other . I would have thought Te Akau would have been on to them to split the race .

Walker only paid up with four to make the field (one further on the ballot) and it appears most of the noms have got a start.  I would have assumed NZTR would have spoken with Mark re this race. Your early rant was therefore unwarranted. I would gather an apology will be forthcoming.

BTW. There are plenty of 1200m maiden races about.  

[nomates]

9 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

Walker only paid up with four to make the field (one further on the ballot) and it appears most of the noms have got a start.  I would have assumed NZTR would have spoken with Mark re this race. Your early rant was therefore unwarranted. I would gather an apology will be forthcoming.

BTW. There are plenty of 1200m maiden races about.  

Yeah whatever , you can assume but perhaps Walker had to re asses what and where he was going to run his horses when they chose not to split the race , the 2 unraced fillies he has in the 3yo fillies race weren't originally nom'd for it , fortunately it was kept open .

As for plenty of 1200 mdns around , mostly on bog tracks or A/W , or a trip to Ruakaka , so good track options are thin . 

You'd be one of those that think all is well with NZ racing .

As for an apology , i and many more in the industry are owed much more than that from NZTR .

[Joe Bloggs]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

Yeah whatever , you can assume but perhaps Walker had to re asses what and where he was going to run his horses when they chose not to split the race , the 2 unraced fillies he has in the 3yo fillies race weren't originally nom'd for it , fortunately it was kept open .

As for plenty of 1200 mdns around , mostly on bog tracks or A/W , or a trip to Ruakaka , so good track options are thin . 

You'd be one of those that think all is well with NZ racing .

As for an apology , i and many more in the industry are owed much more than that from NZTR .

I think you should apologise actually.........they are far worse than morons, you're way too kind.

[Freda]

On 19/08/2022 at 5:08 PM, curious said:

Some good news from Waverley.

The RIB and Club representatives inspected the Waverley track on Friday afternoon. The track is currently in good order, albeit heavy, and considered safe for racing.

On a brighter note, it's good to see a meeting for jumps riders/amateurs only.

A few more of those and we may not have seen the dramatic fall-off of numbers in many areas.

[nomates]

1 minute ago, Freda said:

On a brighter note, it's good to see a meeting for jumps riders/amateurs only.

A few more of those and we may not have seen the dramatic fall-off of numbers in many areas.

Pleased for the owners and trainers of jumpers finally get a run .

[curious]

15 minutes ago, Freda said:

On a brighter note, it's good to see a meeting for jumps riders/amateurs only.

A few more of those and we may not have seen the dramatic fall-off of numbers in many areas.

Racing's been good too. Looking forward to the chase.

Mentioned the idea of running a couple of jumps races down there on the AWT days through winter when I was down there. Apparently, they'd considered adding jumps races for a few years but ruled it out because there were no horses and no riders. Seems to me that's getting the chicken and egg the wrong way round.

[Freda]

33 minutes ago, curious said:

Racing's been good too. Looking forward to the chase.

Mentioned the idea of running a couple of jumps races down there on the AWT days through winter when I was down there. Apparently, they'd considered adding jumps races for a few years but ruled it out because there were no horses and no riders. Seems to me that's getting the chicken and egg the wrong way round.

Yes.  I know jumps races are held in the northern hemisphere on AWT'S ( J.B. can confirm)  but the substructure is different on those poly's I understand.

I'd be reluctant to run jumpers on tracks with a tarmac base.

[curious]

40 minutes ago, Freda said:

Yes.  I know jumps races are held in the northern hemisphere on AWT'S ( J.B. can confirm)  but the substructure is different on those poly's I understand.

I'd be reluctant to run jumpers on tracks with a tarmac base.

I meant run them on the course proper at Riccarton on the AWT meeting days.

[nomates]

4 minutes ago, curious said:

I meant run them on the course proper at Riccarton on the AWT meeting days.

Far toooo progressive .

[curious]

Seems you could run them almost between the flat AWT races. Different pool of riders for weighing out etc. Put the temporary fences wide out, outside fence in the straight if necessary to preserve the inside ground for spring racing. Most of the steeple course is essentially a separate track anyway.

Edited August 21, 2022 by curious

[nomates]

26 minutes ago, curious said:

Seems you could run them almost between the flat AWT races. Different pool of riders for weighing out etc. Put the temporary fences wide out, outside fence in the straight if necessary to preserve the inside ground for spring racing. Most of the steeple course is essentially a separate track anyway.

Your putting far to much positive thought into this , please refrain .

[Freda]

They've sat on their hands for years and watched jumping decline, with no will to do anything particularly helpful.   And I don't think that even now there is realisation that the National, in the form it was, is history.

While C's idea makes sense - if there were any jumpers - there is no point if they all have to come from the North Island.

 

Edited August 21, 2022 by Freda