Rowley Mile Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Kopia said: They do not run 32.33 seconds for the last 600m of any races in England, France, Italy..or anywhere else in Europe ( unless they're running on premium grade fuel? )...Winx has nothing to prove in Europe/USA/Dubai/Hong Kong..she's the best EVER in my humble opinion. Let the pretenders come to Aussie and have a shot at her... Kopia, you have a stallion over there called Dalghar....he ran 1-18 for 1400 at Longchamp, now in all reality do you think Winx could run 1-17 and change to beat that......please, Winx is a great mare, far better than what's lining up to beat her, but you may be too young to remember horses like Kingston Town and Manikato.....she wouldn't beat them, and as for going overseas, did you do an OE Kopia? if you did then you will be a better person for it......going overseas maketh the man/ woman you see....so too the beast.....and shuts up any debate once the victor........please digest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, curious said: The planes fly both ways RM Yes Curious they do, but no one over there is bragging best ever......even the connections of the mighty Treve, now that would have been a match race, why didn't some brain come up with that a few years ago.....maybe they meet in HK a 2 horse match up for 10 mil...winner takes all....my dosh would have been on the French cheval.......having seen both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: Kopia, you have a stallion over there called Dalghar....he ran 1-18 for 1400 at Longchamp, now in all reality do you think Winx could run 1-17 and change to beat that...... Ran 1.17.4 actually. 9.7 seconds the last 200, if you believe their clock, but never managed to win a Group 1 (from memory). But yes, I think she could actually, even though she's not a 1400m horse. Remember Longchamp is downhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, FeelTheFear said: Unlike many elite racehorses, Winx does not have a particularly long stride – her stride was measured at 6.76 metres (22.2 ft) compared to nearly 8.5 metres (28 ft) for Black Caviar and Phar Lap. Instead, her success has been attributed to a "freakish" stride rate that allows her to take 14 strides every 5 seconds, compared to 12 for her rivals. "This means she can settle or accelerate at any time during a race," said Dr. Graeme Putt, who has studied the science of racehorse success. "I think this makes her unique." Hi FtF - that's interesting. I didn't know of that work but observationally reached the same conclusions. It is the rate at which those legs move which gets her along. At the risk of being shot down in flames it's not necessarily the most beautiful or elegant action you might see - but ultimately it's incredibly efficient. And of course when time after time she's first past the post in big races, if i owned so much as a hair in her tail I'd think everything about her was beautiful ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, jess said: Been comments on it here and every time I watch her I think about that galloping action. It is just so purely efficient. It looks like every ounce of energy is converted effectively into making that horse cover the ground. It's almost mesmerising. Can't get tired of watching that mare move. Would be an interesting biomechanical study. WOW!! What a horse. I don't think her action is that efficient the Sydney way round. She tends to hang and I swear she semi changed strides over the final stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 A lot of conjecture about her ability on here, compared to some that have already graced our racetracks. Personally I think the mark of a really great horse is the ability to win over multiple distances. Kingston Town for me wins hands down in that department. Does that detract from Winx, no I dont think so. The best horse of her era over certain distances by a country mile, at home , but surely the rating she has been given as the best mare in the world is not factoring in some obvious glaring ommissions. Still a pleasure to watch even from a Harness nut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Winx has won from 1100m to 2040m. In racing there are only two distances left 2400m and 3200m. Winx also has a win strike rate of 83%. 10 points more than Kingston Town. Harder to win over long distance now with the amount of true stayers imported from overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbles Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Mainbrace was a champ who could win over a staying trip followed by a sprint trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Winx has won from 1100m to 2040m. In racing there are only two distances left 2400m and 3200m. Winx has won at 2400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Winx has won from 1100m to 2040m. In racing there are only two distances left 2400m and 3200m. Winx also has a win strike rate of 83%. 10 points more than Kingston Town. Harder to win over long distance now with the amount of true stayers imported from overseas. CS Im pretty sure the Queensland Oaks is 2200m (or was in her year 2015)..she'll never be tried over 3200m and I cant see them wanting to race ger over 2400m unless its a match race with some international stayer (bring back Justify !?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Waller could have probably won the Everest had he set her for it Winx would be weighted out of the Melbourne Cup she would have won that as well had she been set for it earlier in her career Agree with the Chief her action isn’t as fluent right handed The Melbourne way of going suits her better she beats Kingston Town IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Yes Doomden 2200m. Queensland Oaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ghost said: Winx has won at 2400 Yip Qld Oaks 2200 not 2400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ghost said: Waller could have probably won the Everest had he set her for it Winx would be weighted out of the Melbourne Cup she would have won that as well had she been set for it earlier in her career Agree with the Chief her action isn’t as fluent right handed The Melbourne way of going suits her better she beats Kingston Town IMHO and mine. KT at his peak was unbeatable but he had too many defeats to be ranked superior to her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 she ran 2nd in the AJC Australian Oaks to Gust Of Wind (2400m). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Not denying anyone else the puzzle n pleasure of doing so, but I'm not tht taken with the whole notion of ranking horses of different eras against each other ... So hard to make valid comparisons if they can never race one another ... think I'm content to admire champions (past n present) for themselves. Oh and dream a little, as I sit here with eyes on the expanding belly of my mare as she waddles off after being fed ... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Winx has won from 1100m to 2040m. In racing there are only two distances left 2400m and 3200m. Winx also has a win strike rate of 83%. 10 points more than Kingston Town. Harder to win over long distance now with the amount of true stayers imported from overseas. Have a bo peep at the horses Winxs beats up compared to KT......it's a no brainer, KT won the Expressway first up over 1100m. He runs 2nd in the MEL Cup with a huge weight, and self confessed pilot error.......we could argue all day of course as there would be fools that think she's better than Frankel, and of course you would need to be on drugs to think that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Miracle Mal the regular jockey of Kingston Town has been quoted as rating Winx as good as him. Jimmy Cassidy has been quoted as saying that she is better than Might and Power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown fox Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Noticed Unforgotten doing her best work late.She is in for a good Spring I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Miracle Mal the regular jockey of Kingston Town has been quoted as rating Winx as good as him. Jimmy Cassidy has been quoted as saying that she is better than Might and Power. How pissed was he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 37 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: How pissed was he? I didn't know there were degrees of pissed. I thought you either were or weren't! In any event on the Timeform ratings Winx is only 3lb below Kingston Town. If she continues through this season unbeaten then she will likely surpass that. I would argue that even Kingston Town couldn't have done what Winx did to win the Warwick Stakes last year. Missing the start and running better than 32.5 for the last 600m was a supremo effort. They broke 1:22 for that race. She backed that up in the Chelmsford. With 300m to run she was still 5 lengths from the leader. I understand her sectionals were sensational. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 22 hours ago, Rowley Mile said: Kopia, you have a stallion over there called Dalghar....he ran 1-18 for 1400 at Longchamp, now in all reality do you think Winx could run 1-17 and change to beat that......please, Winx is a great mare, far better than what's lining up to beat her, but you may be too young to remember horses like Kingston Town and Manikato.....she wouldn't beat them, and as for going overseas, did you do an OE Kopia? if you did then you will be a better person for it......going overseas maketh the man/ woman you see....so too the beast.....and shuts up any debate once the victor........please digest. good old kingston town did he ever win at the best track in aust flemington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 22 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I don't think her action is that efficient the Sydney way round. She tends to hang and I swear she semi changed strides over the final stages. You may be mistaking her 'affliction' for hanging... Youll notice on the head on she doesn't do it until she's fully into gear and flattened out... ..but she has a slight head tilt to the near side...does it the Melbourne way as well ..even the chiropractor can't stretch it out of her.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, Thomass said: You may be mistaking her 'affliction' for hanging... Youll notice on the head on she doesn't do it until she's fully into gear and flattened out... ..but she has a slight head tilt to the near side...does it the Melbourne way as well ..even the chiropractor can't stretch it out of her.. Disagree she runs a lot more fluently Melbourne way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 So you're saying she's hanging or not? ...and you're not getting confused with the head tilt? Actually you can see the tilt from the side on as well..if you go to specsavers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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