Te Akau communication.... not that great.

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, The Centaur said:

Chief,

You proved my point. The write ups look suspiciously done by someone in Australia. Not even one quote from the trainer.

You assume the trainer didn't contribute.  Either way what difference would it make to your betting strategy?  Wouldn't an accurate track condition report be more important?

[Chief Stipe]

So @The Centaur you would have done quite well today backing TA?  6 wins.

[curious]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

So @The Centaur you would have done quite well today backing TA?  6 wins.

6 of 30 wasn't it? Just had to pick the right ones I guess.

[The Centaur]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

So @The Centaur you would have done quite well today backing TA?  6 wins.

Well listening to the Pops/Walker interview I did hear he mentioned his best chance was Bell Of The Ball which kind of didn't help the multi's. Was unlucky though as hung badly inwards when mounting winning run.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

6 of 30 wasn't it? Just had to pick the right ones I guess.

Well you'd reduce the odds by picking the ones with Opie on.  

[curious]

11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Well you'd reduce the odds by picking the ones with Opie on.  

True though you'd have been a lot better off backing the ones that Tayla Mitchell was on.

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, curious said:

True though you'd have been a lot better off backing the ones that Tayla Mitchell was on.

So what does that take the 29 down to?

[Peanut]

On 8/22/2022 at 4:35 PM, The Centaur said:

 

Mark Walker is not a patch on Jamie Richards for interview communication which is another minus so not much to look forward to.

 

 

I only had a small share in a slow Te Akau horse some time ago but Jamie Richards would always return my hello at the races and take time to chat.    I said hello to Mark Walker at the races recenely and he completely ignored me.  He obviously had no idea who i was but thats actually the point i could have been one of their biggest owners.   Jamie Richards was a class act that is from first impressions is not being followed. 

[Ludwig]

My question concerns the amount of influence that Mr Ellis has. On another channel ( third rate) there is a discussion re Te Akau. That was, until Mr Ellis contacted the site owner and objected to a post, upon which it was immediately removed.

I had seen the post, it wasn't complimentary but I've seen worse. Does Mr Ellis now think he can control internet forums.?  The words, touchy little petal come to mind.

[Chief Stipe]

14 minutes ago, Ludwig said:

My question concerns the amount of influence that Mr Ellis has. On another channel ( third rate) there is a discussion re Te Akau. That was, until Mr Ellis contacted the site owner and objected to a post, upon which it was immediately removed.

I had seen the post, it wasn't complimentary but I've seen worse. Does Mr Ellis now think he can control internet forums.?  The words, touchy little petal come to mind.

Well when an illiterate recidivist anti-TA poster calls Ellis a liar and worse I'd expect a phone call as well.

Further that particular poster has made defamatory and false statements about David Ellis and others.  

[The Centaur]

10 hours ago, Peanut said:

I only had a small share in a slow Te Akau horse some time ago but Jamie Richards would always return my hello at the races and take time to chat.    I said hello to Mark Walker at the races recenely and he completely ignored me.  He obviously had no idea who i was but thats actually the point i could have been one of their biggest owners.   Jamie Richards was a class act that is from first impressions is not being followed. 

Mark Walker might not have Richards communication skills but he is still better than many other trainers.

Now after Imperatriz's win we hear Imperatriz worked brilliantly on Tuesday. Going back to the trackwork report from Matamata the description was Imperatriz worked steadily. No mention about the Tuesday trackwork on the Te Akau TV. How come these items only surface after the race.

[Huey]

5 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

Mark Walker might not have Richards communication skills but he is still better than many other trainers.

Now after Imperatriz's win we hear Imperatriz worked brilliantly on Tuesday. Going back to the trackwork report from Matamata the description was Imperatriz worked steadily. No mention about the Tuesday trackwork on the Te Akau TV. How come these items only surface after the race.

You needed a trackwork report to back Imperatriz in that field?

[Chief Stipe]

26 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

Mark Walker might not have Richards communication skills but he is still better than many other trainers.

Now after Imperatriz's win we hear Imperatriz worked brilliantly on Tuesday. Going back to the trackwork report from Matamata the description was Imperatriz worked steadily. No mention about the Tuesday trackwork on the Te Akau TV. How come these items only surface after the race.

So you would have priced her lower in your pre-race assessment if you'd had that information?  I.e. her actual race odds were at overs.

[The Centaur]

16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

So you would have priced her lower in your pre-race assessment if you'd had that information?  I.e. her actual race odds were at overs.

Anyone involved with a number of horses learns to make a quick assessment and in a matter of a few words relay the most relevant information. After the race Mark Walkers first reaction to interviewers was the Tuesday trackwork.

The trackwork would not make any difference to odds but it could have an  influence on backing another runner to beat her.

[Chief Stipe]

10 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

Anyone involved with a number of horses learns to make a quick assessment and in a matter of a few words relay the most relevant information. After the race Mark Walkers first reaction to interviewers was the Tuesday trackwork.

The trackwork would not make any difference to odds but it could have an  influence on backing another runner to beat her.

No it wouldn't.  She was always the top rated horse in that field.  Was just a question of how much she would win by.

[Huey]

13 hours ago, The Centaur said:

Anyone involved with a number of horses learns to make a quick assessment and in a matter of a few words relay the most relevant information. After the race Mark Walkers first reaction to interviewers was the Tuesday trackwork.

The trackwork would not make any difference to odds but it could have an  influence on backing another runner to beat her.

Best jock in country on - Tick

Breeding - Tick

Race Record  - Tick

Trainer / Stable - Tick

Draw - Tick

Comparative ability vs. rest of Field- Tick

Track Conditions - maybe Question mark

Can't see how you go about backing anything else?

[Peanut]

14 hours ago, The Centaur said:

Mark Walker might not have Richards communication skills but he is still better than many other trainers.

Now after Imperatriz's win we hear Imperatriz worked brilliantly on Tuesday. Going back to the trackwork report from Matamata the description was Imperatriz worked steadily. No mention about the Tuesday trackwork on the Te Akau TV. How come these items only surface after the race.

Not many other stables have a business model built on attracting about $10m a year in third party investment and then using that investment to promote its brand, its corporate colours and its figurehead.  Maybe Walker just wants to leave it to outstanding horses like Imperatriz to do all the talking. 🤷‍♂️

[The Centaur]

Touched on this previously.

But as far as information goes why is it such a taboo subject asking the trainer how the weight of a horse is trending. In Hong Kong and Singapore and I daresay several other jurisdictions this information is official. Don't think I have ever seen on the Te Akau website which is supposed to have "so much" information any mention of horses weight changes. I have heard several times in interviews that Te Akau trainers regularly weigh their horses.

[Chief Stipe]

48 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

In Hong Kong and Singapore and I daresay several other jurisdictions this information is official.

It's official in Hong Kong because it is a closed system and everything is measured.  

I'd be fascinated to hear how you use horse weight in your punting selections.

[The Centaur]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

It's official in Hong Kong because it is a closed system and everything is measured.  

I'd be fascinated to hear how you use horse weight in your punting selections.

There is plenty info on the internet on weighing mostly pro. From a punting perspective its important to know when the information is helpful. Certainly when a trainer has multiple runners in a race its something that could be useful. Highly unlikely in low stakemoney race the trainer would have all runners 100% wound up.

[Freda]

I don't know why I'm wading into this 'discussion'...I do think you're creating a beat-up over a nothing issue.   

I'm not a Te Akau apologist - but I respect enormously the skill of the whole operation.  They have beautiful, well-bred horses, well cared for and expertly trained/handled.

Top staff, the best jockeys...if you can't work out whether to back something that's your problem, not theirs.  Only minor issue is that odds are generally less than they possibly would be otherwise, just because of the facts I've outlined.  I seldom back anything of theirs, because I'm looking for a divvie.  The paltry amount I can afford to lose isn't worth putting on a 1.30 shot.

I do agree that Jamie is/was a class act, however, Mark, although a different sort of person, is still a very good trainer.   He would probably prefer to have a less demanding part in it all..but will do a good job regardless.

[The Centaur]

8 hours ago, Freda said:

I don't know why I'm wading into this 'discussion'...I do think you're creating a beat-up over a nothing issue.   

I'm not a Te Akau apologist - but I respect enormously the skill of the whole operation.  They have beautiful, well-bred horses, well cared for and expertly trained/handled.

Top staff, the best jockeys...if you can't work out whether to back something that's your problem, not theirs.  Only minor issue is that odds are generally less than they possibly would be otherwise, just because of the facts I've outlined.  I seldom back anything of theirs, because I'm looking for a divvie.  The paltry amount I can afford to lose isn't worth putting on a 1.30 shot.

I do agree that Jamie is/was a class act, however, Mark, although a different sort of person, is still a very good trainer.   He would probably prefer to have a less demanding part in it all..but will do a good job regardless.

Its not me thats doing the "beat up". All I pointed out was that the presentation of information e.g. form writeups and trackwork reports was misguided and offered ideas on improvements.

Offcourse there are those who always go with the status quo and personally beat up the messenger. I hardly think Te Akau are the slightest bit worried or require "apologists". 

[Chief Stipe]

4 hours ago, The Centaur said:

Its not me thats doing the "beat up". All I pointed out was that the presentation of information e.g. form writeups and trackwork reports was misguided and offered ideas on improvements.

Offcourse there are those who always go with the status quo and personally beat up the messenger. I hardly think Te Akau are the slightest bit worried or require "apologists". 

Why call out Te Akau?

They provide more information than any trainer.

Who is the NZ exemplar?

Dummy Myers?  He says nothing before or after a race.

Tony Pike?  Less than Te Akau.  Same as Steven Marsh

The Pitmans?  They're only slightly better than Myers.

This is all you get from Chris Waller - 

https://cwallerracing.com/upcoming-runners/

Unless of course you are an owner paying the bills.