TE RAPA's hopeless incompetent Track Managment...INQUIRY NOW

[Thomass]

So Kenny says...

"well those f'ers...we paid the contractors to do the same as they did last time...but this time they got confused and put 3CMS of sand on instead of 4 MM"

wtf??

This is just typical of the f in amatuer hour that's NZ Racing.

NZTR should have control of all track maintenance programs ffs.

Then you won't get this b/s of "the contractors did this when we said that...and we're taking them to court"

There needs to be central control on tracks..approved and ticked off with accepted processes to ultimately cover quality control principles...

Gary Foskett used to do it...why is the industry allowing possible f ups like this to still occur?

And it's a major f up this..

..even in Bogan country... 3CMS and 4MM's is massive 

[Chief Stipe]

Then whose fault is the following?

Meeting News

Waikato Trials Tuesday 21 August

 

The trials to be conducted on the trials track at Te Rapa on Tuesday will be for Open and Maiden horses (over 900m and 1100m) and will have a maximum of 6 horses per heat with the trials restricted to a total of 120 horses.

 

[gee]

it was told by the course manger  ad it was the wrong grade  sand to been like this for a number of months 

[Boxie]

16 minutes ago, gee said:

it was told by the course manger  ad it was the wrong grade  sand to been like this for a number of months 

So where was the "course manager" when the work was being done?

[gee]

4 minutes ago, Boxie said:

So where was the "course manager" when the work was being done?

awol and still is 

[Poisoned Dwarf]

Will he be back for Saturday's  sandblasting competition or the one 15 days afterwards ?

[Chief Stipe]

To be fair it was always going to end in disaster as there is only so many times you can sand slit a track.  Te Rapa has been "off" for a number of years now.  The remedy worked initially but you can't keep repeating it.

Is Ellerslie heading down the same Sandy path?

[Dark Beau]

59 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

To be fair it was always going to end in disaster as there is only so many times you can sand slit a track.  Te Rapa has been "off" for a number of years now.  The remedy worked initially but you can't keep repeating it.

Is Ellerslie heading down the same Sandy path?

Not if they only sand slit it AND don’t sand carpet it as well. 

The difference is: Te Rapa and Awapuni were both Sand Slit and Sand Carpeted.

The large amounts of sand put on, then in time, blocks the drains too, i.e. both courses above.

Trentham on the other hand was sand slit about 8 or 9 years ago BUT not sand carpeted because they couldn’t afford it. Weren’t they BLOODY LUCKY because it’s the best surface in the country now from October to April, when if it does rain, it recovers extremely quickly, unlike before. 

[barryb]

Beau, sand is one of the very best drainage materials, the very reason it is used is to encourage easy drainage rather than block.

[hesi]

It is usually silt(very fine particulate matter) that blocks drains

[Reefton]

Wasn't long ago Ken was going to shut every other course down wasn't he and base everything out of Te Rapa?

[gee]

11 minutes ago, Reefton said:

Wasn't long ago Ken was going to shut every other course down wasn't he and base everything out of Te Rapa?

yup    lol might his 1st 

[Huey]

What's the problem ? They have spent a million on the inside interior and looks great!

[Huey]

8 hours ago, Reefton said:

Wasn't long ago Ken was going to shut every other course down wasn't he and base everything out of Te Rapa?

This is what worries me about the Messara report, closing down tracks is invariably going to be a major part of it and the ones that will be likely closed should be being better utilised by the industry in the first place.

I think one of NZ problems is you have persons in positions who are happy to over race their tracks to justify their positions instead of someone taking a more linear view and trying to get the best out of what is available.

[hesi]

2 hours ago, Huey said:

This is what worries me about the Messara report, closing down tracks is invariably going to be a major part of it and the ones that will be likely closed should be being better utilised by the industry in the first place.

I think one of NZ problems is you have persons in positions who are happy to over race their tracks to justify their positions instead of someone taking a more linear view and trying to get the best out of what is available.

I don't think the report will recommend closing any tracks.

It will be all about money and a sustainable way ahead, and I can't see how closing down tracks will have any impact on either

[curious]

What I don't understand about the Te Rapa fiasco is why, when they realised the sand over-application error, they didn't vacuum it back off and start over?

[hesi]

13 minutes ago, curious said:

What I don't understand about the Te Rapa fiasco is why, when they realised the sand over-application error, they didn't vacuum it back off and start over?

Good point, it suggests that no one realised it was a mistake, until the problems started occurring, too late then

It was only then that it became apparent they had made a mistake.

I see Ken Rutherford saying 2 inches of sand was applied over the middle section of the track.  That's a lot of sand, and would have partially covered the turf grasses

Edited August 20, 2018 by hesi

[Kopia]

This is sounding like so much bullshit...2 inches of sand? was nobody watching? Did the useless riu do a track inspection on the morning of the races? come on, this club calls itself a metropolitan racecourse...more like a feckin metropolitan icecream.

[curious]

I fail to see how no-one could have noticed an application of 2 inches of sand to the centre of the track as you say. If not while it was being applied, surely within 24 hours.

If I were getting 4mm of sand applied to my lawn and they put on 50mms, I'd be on the phone no later than daylight the next day. Doesn't add up.

[hesi]

Here's the audio of Ken Rutherford speaking, thanks Curious

http://www.nzracing.co.nz/News/25374/Audio-Ken-Rutherford.aspx

He probably wishes he was still opening the batting, at least then he had control of his own fate

[hesi]

8 minutes ago, curious said:

I fail to see how no-one could have noticed an application of 2 inches of sand to the centre of the track as you say. If not while it was being applied, surely within 24 hours.

If I were getting 4mm of sand applied to my lawn and they put on 50mms, I'd be on the phone no later than daylight the next day. Doesn't add up.

Suggests no one was project managing

[curious]

He's playing much more like the bottom of the order. Maybe 12th man.

[hesi]

Played and missed, you might say

[curious]

1 minute ago, hesi said:

Suggests no one was project managing

If I were still riding track work, I can't imagine I wouldn't have noticed 2 inches of sand on the main track, even if riding two or three tracks inside that. The whole thing is completely implausible. The interview simply conspired with the bs and never raised the obvious 'how come no-one noticed?' question.

[curious]

1 minute ago, hesi said:

Played and missed, you might say

No. That description is reserved for Jackson. Think we'll just call him 12th man Rutherford. Wonder if he ever batted or kept on a pitch that had just had 50mms of sand applied.