TE RAPA's hopeless incompetent Track Managment...INQUIRY NOW

[hesi]

5 minutes ago, curious said:

If I were still riding track work, I can't imagine I wouldn't have noticed 2 inches of sand on the main track, even if riding two or three tracks inside that. The whole thing is completely implausible. The interview simply conspired with the bs and never raised the obvious 'how come no-one noticed?' question.

Yep you're right, it has got into cover up territory, and quite a while ago

 

 

Edited August 20, 2018 by hesi

[gee]

because it goes  bit deeper than just the sand 

[curious]

They need to fix it. There's also the issue of no root development in the new grass. That tells me the track and soil structure is totally stuffed. Love how he talks about churn. Won't be much of that from punters if they keep trying to race on it. The only strategy they seem to have is gallop on it and hope and reseed grass where it didn't root before.

I could fix it in 18 months but it needs one of these applied.

 

[gee]

just sell  up the  joint lol

[hesi]

Just a few figs

If they applied 50mm of sand around the entire 1800m course, 12-18m out, then we are talking about 540 cubic meters of sand, about 800 tonnes

[gee]

Just now, hesi said:

Just a few figs

If they applied 50mm of sand around the entire 1800m course, 12-18m out, then we are talking about 540 cubic meters of sand, about 800 tonnes

and the  wrong grade  to start its like quick sand  

[hesi]

That must mean a lot finer grade than specified was used

[gee]

going be  very interesting    times  

[Chief Stipe]

This latest problem has been in the wind for a long time.  The propaganda and spin has blinded most until now it is a big big problem.  I walked the track one morning about 5 or 6 years ago when I had a horse racing later that day. The inconsistency in the surface of the so called "best track in NZ" was glaringly apparent.  Even then there were large pockets of sand and obvious "good lanes."

I remember posting these comments on another channel only to be derided.  I laughed everytime I saw a prominent member of the club and a Trackside presenter say on Trackside how great the track was!!

Grass with a good root structure does not grow on a sand pit.

[gee]

6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

This latest problem has been in the wind for a long time.  The propaganda and spin has blinded most until now it is a big big problem.  I walked the track one morning about 5 or 6 years ago when I had a horse racing later that day. The inconsistency in the surface of the so called "best track in NZ" was glaringly apparent.  Even then there were large pockets of sand and obvious "good lanes."

I remember posting these comments on another channel only to be derided.  I laughed everytime I saw a prominent member of the club and a Trackside presenter say on Trackside how great the track was!!

Grass with a good root structure does not grow on a sand pit.

yup  its well known   whats wrong and whose  to blame 

[Chief Stipe]

9 minutes ago, gee said:

yup  its well known   whats wrong and whose  to blame 

In my opinion it isn't one individual as the same techniques have and are being used on a number of tracks.

The focus of most major clubs is on infrastructure for what are declining numbers of spectators on course.  The focus should be on the key product - fine equine athletes running on a fair and even surface under fair and equitable rules.  

We should be afraid of what Winnie will announce.  He has already promised a "new All Weather Track" - what form that takes and where it is located and who manages it are the big questions.  To build a new track will cost many many millions and most of that will go on infrastructure to support declining numbers of spectators on course. 

Who will manage it?  The current teams who have largely mismanaged what they had and have?  

No doubt it will result in closures of good racing surfaces throughout the country and the disenfranchising of numerous individuals who have worked hard to maintain their racecourses and clubs while suffering behind the hind tit of the cow.

Finally part of Winnie's justification will be the number of abandoned meetings and what it is costing the industry.  That is utter utter crap.  The abandoned meetings were largely never budgeted for!!!!  They wouldn't have paid their way!!  

[gee]

Just now, Chief Stipe said:

In my opinion it isn't one individual as the same techniques have and are being used on a number of tracks.

The focus of most major clubs is on infrastructure for what are declining numbers of spectators on course.  The focus should be on the key product - fine equine athletes running on a fair and even surface under fair and equitable rules.  

We should be afraid of what Winnie will announce.  He has already promised a "new All Weather Track" - what form that takes and where it is located and who manages it are the big questions.  To build a new track will cost many many millions and most of that will go on infrastructure to support declining numbers of spectators on course. 

Who will manage it?  The current teams who have largely mismanaged what they had and have?  

No doubt it will result in closures of good racing surfaces throughout the country and the disenfranchising of numerous individuals who have worked hard to maintain their racecourses and clubs while suffering behind the hind tit of the cow.

Finally part of Winnie's justification will be the number of abandoned meetings and what it is costing the industry.  That is utter utter crap.  The abandoned meetings were largely never budgeted for!!!!  They wouldn't have paid their way!!  

if you look at  aus with those  tracks not one of them are any good   not one of the course mangers were shown how to mantain it  and trainers  dont like  using the m   90-120 noms   on then compared to  600-900  on   grass 

[Thomass]

3 hours ago, curious said:

They need to fix it. There's also the issue of no root development in the new grass. That tells me the track and soil structure is totally stuffed. Love how he talks about churn. Won't be much of that from punters if they keep trying to race on it. The only strategy they seem to have is gallop on it and hope and reseed grass where it didn't root before.

I could fix it in 18 months but it needs one of these applied.

 

Is there no end to wtf you can't do??

Kenny will have to add another...and make it 101 the solutions he's had offered then...

Neil Treweeks been roped in from his retirement lazy boy...so maybe just hire one of these babies and turn up at the gate one day...

...how could they tell you to F off after all the trouble you've gone to then??

[Thomass]

Kenny said the gauze thingy they used this time let in the big kahuna rocks and basically that's the problem...

NZTR 's complete silence on this...apart from posting that Dezzy soundbite

..has been woeful

Just announce an INQUIRY...tell the punters you apologise for putting them through this hell on earth

...and that you won't let it happen again...from a central base of knowledge that's been built up...

Gary Fosketts treasure trove of knowledge that is..

He wears it...The Cloak of Knowledge 

[Poisoned Dwarf]

Look on the bright side, everybody, and consider the obvious omen bet for Saturday, maiden hurdle race---- Raisedinasandpit  !

after Te Rapa he'll be renamed-----Racedinasandpit !

Edited August 21, 2018 by Poisoned Dwarf
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[curious]

The jumpers don't have too many options but 17 noms for 3 flat races?

[Poisoned Dwarf]

" like sand in the jockeys faces at Te Rapa, these are the Days Of Our Lives "

Edited August 21, 2018 by Poisoned Dwarf
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[Reefton]

Ploughing it up would be the best option if there is that much sand.  The sand would probably do the world of good(depending how deep those drains are of course)

Course we have Ellerslie's return to look forward to -hope the boys haven't made a mess of that too...  History suggest there is a virtual 100% chance they will have.

 

Edited August 21, 2018 by Reefton
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[Newmarket]

8 hours ago, curious said:

They need to fix it. There's also the issue of no root development in the new grass. That tells me the track and soil structure is totally stuffed. Love how he talks about churn. Won't be much of that from punters if they keep trying to race on it. The only strategy they seem to have is gallop on it and hope and reseed grass where it didn't root before.

I could fix it in 18 months but it needs one of these applied.

 

If the club cant afford above plough, what about this cheaper option. 

[Weasel]

1 hour ago, curious said:

The jumpers don't have too many options but 17 noms for 3 flat races?

why would the connections of the flat runners (on a mostly jumping day)  want to run at Te Rapa when there's Ruakaka and Hastings just a week later?

[curious]

12 minutes ago, Weasel said:

why would the connections of the flat runners (on a mostly jumping day)  want to run at Te Rapa when there's Ruakaka and Hastings just a week later?

I give up. Why?

[Kopia]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  ?

Does a bear shit in the woods ?

Is the Pope a catholic ?

Does a wooden horse have a wooden dick ?

 

[gee]

1 hour ago, Weasel said:

why would the connections of the flat runners (on a mostly jumping day)  want to run at Te Rapa when there's Ruakaka and Hastings just a week later?

because it mess with there preparation 

[Thomass]

So Kenny said Foskett, Aldridge and Marty Burns from NZTR have been alll over this...

...since the f up

Too f in late boys

FOSKETTS employed for this shit and NZTR need Hands on all over the place with major works like track repairs...before not after

Kenny sounded very upset actually..and so he should have...

[Reefton]

13 hours ago, hesi said:

Here's the audio of Ken Rutherford speaking, thanks Curious

http://www.nzracing.co.nz/News/25374/Audio-Ken-Rutherford.aspx

He probably wishes he was still opening the batting, at least then he had control of his own fate

Now Ken.....

Did the contractor not give you a quote?  And did you not notice that the quote said 40 - 60mm  of sand not 4-6mm of sand? Or did you not get a quote at all?  And was there nobody there watching what was being applied to the track? and when the bill arrived did nobody notice the vast(presumably ten times the desired amount) of sand being charged for? 

Now Ken... 

A while ago you reckoned Te Rapa was just the place to centralise all racing.  How can you reconcile that with the continual disasters that keep happening with your track?

Now Ken...

Do you think in light of those continual disasters that it is time you considered your position?

 

As my old Uncle used to say 'She's what you'd describe as a cock up!'