hesi Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, curious said: If I were still riding track work, I can't imagine I wouldn't have noticed 2 inches of sand on the main track, even if riding two or three tracks inside that. The whole thing is completely implausible. The interview simply conspired with the bs and never raised the obvious 'how come no-one noticed?' question. Yep you're right, it has got into cover up territory, and quite a while ago Edited August 20, 2018 by hesi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 because it goes bit deeper than just the sand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 They need to fix it. There's also the issue of no root development in the new grass. That tells me the track and soil structure is totally stuffed. Love how he talks about churn. Won't be much of that from punters if they keep trying to race on it. The only strategy they seem to have is gallop on it and hope and reseed grass where it didn't root before. I could fix it in 18 months but it needs one of these applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 just sell up the joint lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Just a few figs If they applied 50mm of sand around the entire 1800m course, 12-18m out, then we are talking about 540 cubic meters of sand, about 800 tonnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Just now, hesi said: Just a few figs If they applied 50mm of sand around the entire 1800m course, 12-18m out, then we are talking about 540 cubic meters of sand, about 800 tonnes and the wrong grade to start its like quick sand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 That must mean a lot finer grade than specified was used 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 going be very interesting times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 This latest problem has been in the wind for a long time. The propaganda and spin has blinded most until now it is a big big problem. I walked the track one morning about 5 or 6 years ago when I had a horse racing later that day. The inconsistency in the surface of the so called "best track in NZ" was glaringly apparent. Even then there were large pockets of sand and obvious "good lanes." I remember posting these comments on another channel only to be derided. I laughed everytime I saw a prominent member of the club and a Trackside presenter say on Trackside how great the track was!! Grass with a good root structure does not grow on a sand pit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: This latest problem has been in the wind for a long time. The propaganda and spin has blinded most until now it is a big big problem. I walked the track one morning about 5 or 6 years ago when I had a horse racing later that day. The inconsistency in the surface of the so called "best track in NZ" was glaringly apparent. Even then there were large pockets of sand and obvious "good lanes." I remember posting these comments on another channel only to be derided. I laughed everytime I saw a prominent member of the club and a Trackside presenter say on Trackside how great the track was!! Grass with a good root structure does not grow on a sand pit. yup its well known whats wrong and whose to blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, gee said: yup its well known whats wrong and whose to blame In my opinion it isn't one individual as the same techniques have and are being used on a number of tracks. The focus of most major clubs is on infrastructure for what are declining numbers of spectators on course. The focus should be on the key product - fine equine athletes running on a fair and even surface under fair and equitable rules. We should be afraid of what Winnie will announce. He has already promised a "new All Weather Track" - what form that takes and where it is located and who manages it are the big questions. To build a new track will cost many many millions and most of that will go on infrastructure to support declining numbers of spectators on course. Who will manage it? The current teams who have largely mismanaged what they had and have? No doubt it will result in closures of good racing surfaces throughout the country and the disenfranchising of numerous individuals who have worked hard to maintain their racecourses and clubs while suffering behind the hind tit of the cow. Finally part of Winnie's justification will be the number of abandoned meetings and what it is costing the industry. That is utter utter crap. The abandoned meetings were largely never budgeted for!!!! They wouldn't have paid their way!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Just now, Chief Stipe said: In my opinion it isn't one individual as the same techniques have and are being used on a number of tracks. The focus of most major clubs is on infrastructure for what are declining numbers of spectators on course. The focus should be on the key product - fine equine athletes running on a fair and even surface under fair and equitable rules. We should be afraid of what Winnie will announce. He has already promised a "new All Weather Track" - what form that takes and where it is located and who manages it are the big questions. To build a new track will cost many many millions and most of that will go on infrastructure to support declining numbers of spectators on course. Who will manage it? The current teams who have largely mismanaged what they had and have? No doubt it will result in closures of good racing surfaces throughout the country and the disenfranchising of numerous individuals who have worked hard to maintain their racecourses and clubs while suffering behind the hind tit of the cow. Finally part of Winnie's justification will be the number of abandoned meetings and what it is costing the industry. That is utter utter crap. The abandoned meetings were largely never budgeted for!!!! They wouldn't have paid their way!! if you look at aus with those tracks not one of them are any good not one of the course mangers were shown how to mantain it and trainers dont like using the m 90-120 noms on then compared to 600-900 on grass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 3 hours ago, curious said: They need to fix it. There's also the issue of no root development in the new grass. That tells me the track and soil structure is totally stuffed. Love how he talks about churn. Won't be much of that from punters if they keep trying to race on it. The only strategy they seem to have is gallop on it and hope and reseed grass where it didn't root before. I could fix it in 18 months but it needs one of these applied. Is there no end to wtf you can't do?? Kenny will have to add another...and make it 101 the solutions he's had offered then... Neil Treweeks been roped in from his retirement lazy boy...so maybe just hire one of these babies and turn up at the gate one day... ...how could they tell you to F off after all the trouble you've gone to then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 Kenny said the gauze thingy they used this time let in the big kahuna rocks and basically that's the problem... NZTR 's complete silence on this...apart from posting that Dezzy soundbite ..has been woeful Just announce an INQUIRY...tell the punters you apologise for putting them through this hell on earth ...and that you won't let it happen again...from a central base of knowledge that's been built up... Gary Fosketts treasure trove of knowledge that is.. He wears it...The Cloak of Knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) Look on the bright side, everybody, and consider the obvious omen bet for Saturday, maiden hurdle race---- Raisedinasandpit ! after Te Rapa he'll be renamed-----Racedinasandpit ! Edited August 21, 2018 by Poisoned Dwarf grammar 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 The jumpers don't have too many options but 17 noms for 3 flat races? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) " like sand in the jockeys faces at Te Rapa, these are the Days Of Our Lives " Edited August 21, 2018 by Poisoned Dwarf grammar 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) Ploughing it up would be the best option if there is that much sand. The sand would probably do the world of good(depending how deep those drains are of course) Course we have Ellerslie's return to look forward to -hope the boys haven't made a mess of that too... History suggest there is a virtual 100% chance they will have. Edited August 21, 2018 by Reefton spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 8 hours ago, curious said: They need to fix it. There's also the issue of no root development in the new grass. That tells me the track and soil structure is totally stuffed. Love how he talks about churn. Won't be much of that from punters if they keep trying to race on it. The only strategy they seem to have is gallop on it and hope and reseed grass where it didn't root before. I could fix it in 18 months but it needs one of these applied. If the club cant afford above plough, what about this cheaper option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, curious said: The jumpers don't have too many options but 17 noms for 3 flat races? why would the connections of the flat runners (on a mostly jumping day) want to run at Te Rapa when there's Ruakaka and Hastings just a week later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, Weasel said: why would the connections of the flat runners (on a mostly jumping day) want to run at Te Rapa when there's Ruakaka and Hastings just a week later? I give up. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ? Does a bear shit in the woods ? Is the Pope a catholic ? Does a wooden horse have a wooden dick ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Weasel said: why would the connections of the flat runners (on a mostly jumping day) want to run at Te Rapa when there's Ruakaka and Hastings just a week later? because it mess with there preparation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 So Kenny said Foskett, Aldridge and Marty Burns from NZTR have been alll over this... ...since the f up Too f in late boys FOSKETTS employed for this shit and NZTR need Hands on all over the place with major works like track repairs...before not after Kenny sounded very upset actually..and so he should have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 13 hours ago, hesi said: Here's the audio of Ken Rutherford speaking, thanks Curious http://www.nzracing.co.nz/News/25374/Audio-Ken-Rutherford.aspx He probably wishes he was still opening the batting, at least then he had control of his own fate Now Ken..... Did the contractor not give you a quote? And did you not notice that the quote said 40 - 60mm of sand not 4-6mm of sand? Or did you not get a quote at all? And was there nobody there watching what was being applied to the track? and when the bill arrived did nobody notice the vast(presumably ten times the desired amount) of sand being charged for? Now Ken... A while ago you reckoned Te Rapa was just the place to centralise all racing. How can you reconcile that with the continual disasters that keep happening with your track? Now Ken... Do you think in light of those continual disasters that it is time you considered your position? As my old Uncle used to say 'She's what you'd describe as a cock up!' 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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