Brodie Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 I note from an advertisement that Rangiora has a Xmas at the races on December the 18th. They are charging $10 to get in, so I imagine this is per person rather than per car? What do you actually get for this $10? I appreciate that people decades ago were charged to get into the races, but in this day and age I question this at the moment! So we are charged a $10 fee for the right to bet on horses? With it difficult to get people oncourse is it a great idea to charge people to get in when many peoples finances are going to be very strained. I would think that the Rangiora club would get more money out of the punting than by charging people. Surely best to get people oncourse and to keep people coming back to harness racing . Some will say if they can not afford the $20 for a couple then they won’t bet anyway but personally believe we should be doing everything we can to get people interested. Rangiora’s decision to charge and they will do ok out of the admission charge, but really what is it that the people actually getting for their money? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 24 minutes ago, Brodie said: I note from an advertisement that Rangiora has a Xmas at the races on December the 18th. They are charging $10 to get in, so I imagine this is per person rather than per car? What do you actually get for this $10? I appreciate that people decades ago were charged to get into the races, but in this day and age I question this at the moment! So we are charged a $10 fee for the right to bet on horses? With it difficult to get people oncourse is it a great idea to charge people to get in when many peoples finances are going to be very strained. I would think that the Rangiora club would get more money out of the punting than by charging people. Surely best to get people oncourse and to keep people coming back to harness racing . Some will say if they can not afford the $20 for a couple then they won’t bet anyway but personally believe we should be doing everything we can to get people interested. Rangiora’s decision to charge and they will do ok out of the admission charge, but really what is it that the people actually getting for their money? Motukarara have been charging for years. I took a bus load out there about 5 years ago. From memory it was $10 a head but the club when I rang them posted me out about 40 free entry. We were all punting. We got race books at arrival as well. I guess it's how you approach stuff. I don't pay to go to the races, I bluff my way in with me knowing a president or committee member. IE, Barry Ford left tickets for me in the office. Works at kaikoura. I know Barry and Heather. BTW. Hj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Honestjohn said: Motukarara have been charging for years. I took a bus load out there about 5 years ago. From memory it was $10 a head but the club when I rang them posted me out about 40 free entry. We were all punting. We got race books at arrival as well. I guess it's how you approach stuff. I don't pay to go to the races, I bluff my way in with me knowing a president or committee member. IE, Barry Ford left tickets for me in the office. Works at kaikoura. I know Barry and Heather. BTW. Hj Yeah I appreciate the Clubs need to operate profitably and the gate charge helps on the day to make things work. There will be some that go out for the day for a picnic etc. and may nave the odd bet. The $20 from a couple would be spent either thru food or the tote anyway and that is what harness needs, people attending oncourse. The gate charge I believe is detrimental in enticing people oncourse!!! Chances are the people that do not go because of the charge will not be wagering off course . i personally believe that we should be enticing people oncourse by offering patrons bonus things, rather than taking money off them before they are even in the gate! surely We need large crowds so that at least we have a chance of retaining some? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 42 minutes ago, Brodie said: I note from an advertisement that Rangiora has a Xmas at the races on December the 18th. They are charging $10 to get in, so I imagine this is per person rather than per car? What do you actually get for this $10? It seems a bit expensive to me mate. The facilities are Rangiora are not flash and I would not pay to go to the races there. Why would anyone pay $10 to watch slow horses racing around a average track? Senseless 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Brodie said: Yeah I appreciate the Clubs need to operate profitably and the gate charge helps on the day to make things work. There will be some that go out for the day for a picnic etc. and may nave the odd bet. The $20 from a couple would be spent either thru food or the tote anyway and that is what harness needs, people attending oncourse. The gate charge I believe is detrimental in enticing people oncourse!!! Chances are the people that do not go because of the charge will not be wagering off course . i personally believe that we should be enticing people oncourse by offering patrons bonus things, rather than taking money off them before they are even in the gate! surely We need large crowds so that at least we have a chance of retaining some? Haven't been to rangiora for few years but you don't have to pay to go in on the course , but you can have a picnic on the outskirts of the tracks. I guess it's how frugal you are. ? Hj 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 Reality is, that it is Xmas time and people are generally busy trying to get things done before Xmas relaxation. Yeah Rangiora is hardly a course with that much going for it! If you feel that you aRe overpaying for what you get, then you do not go back! Having to drive out to Rangiora, then having people at the gate taking money off you for nothing, does not really feel like it is beneficial for harness racing in the future, when it is really struggling! I do believe that harness racing is definitely shooting itself in the foot continuously with some poor decisions. It needs to be looking to the future, or the future is dire. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: Reality is, that it is Xmas time and people are generally busy trying to get things done before Xmas relaxation. Yeah Rangiora is hardly a course with that much going for it! If you feel that you aRe overpaying for what you get, then you do not go back! Having to drive out to Rangiora, then having people at the gate taking money off you for nothing, does not really feel like it is beneficial for harness racing in the future, when it is really struggling! I do believe that harness racing is definitely shooting itself in the foot continuously with some poor decisions. It needs to be looking to the future, or the future is dire. Agree, it's a hard one. Charge or not? Committee decision in the end. Motukarara is normally a family orientated day with sideshow type of stuff going on. I love the mot and how they do it. Osh are a bit funny with roping off stable area though? Last time I watched Motukarara the TV the cars were way down the home turn. Always packed at Xmas. Hj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, Honestjohn said: Agree, it's a hard one. Charge or not? Committee decision in the end. Motukarara is normally a family orientated day with sideshow type of stuff going on. I love the mot and how they do it. Osh are a bit funny with roping off stable area though? Last time I watched Motukarara the TV the cars were way down the home turn. Always packed at Xmas. Hj The difference is there will be a very large crowd at Mot due to it being after Xmas and most people sill not be working snd more relaxed. Rangiora is a week before Xmas when people are busy and the crowd will not be as large. How much are they going to take at the gate and how many will not go to Rangiora cos there is a gate charge, the week before xmas with peoples finances stretched? reality is that people will not go due to the charge and that $20 charge for s couple wouldve gone through the tote many times over!! Many of the decisions being made by people are not in the best interests of harness racing in the future, and that is what has got it to the poor position it finds itself! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 It should be free intercourse that would get a few in😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 59 minutes ago, Honestjohn said: Haven't been to rangiora for few years but you don't have to pay to go in on the course , but you can have a picnic on the outskirts of the tracks. I guess it's how frugal you are. ? Hj Maybe watch the races on ya phone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 hour ago, mikeynz said: Maybe watch the races on ya phone ? I draw the line there. Maybe my I pad but never a phone. hj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Interesting to see that there is no entrance charge at the Invercargill Cup meeting. The meeting will have better fields than either Rangiora and BP. I hope the weather is kind for the club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Davis said: Interesting to see that there is no entrance charge at the Invercargill Cup meeting. The meeting will have better fields than either Rangiora and BP. I hope the weather is kind for the club. That is the point Davis. If they dont charge during the year. What is the extras that you get for this Xmas at the races for the $10?? Hopefully the weather is good for the Rangiora Club who do a good job. Just do not agree with charging money to get thru the gate, so that you can wager on horses and most lose. Personally can not see that many going to make it worth while putting people off going out, whereas we need as many as possible going on course . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) On 9/12/2022 at 8:20 AM, Brodie said: What do you actually get for this $10? standing room if you are lucky Edited December 11, 2022 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 hopefully the weren't counting on those tenners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 37 minutes ago, Rangatira said: hopefully the weren't counting on those tenners You are correct Ranga. Crowd never flash when it is wet snd the fact that they want to charge $20 to get in For nothing extra is very puzzling indeed. Hope Rangiora club do well today but know it is a dumb idea to charge when we need people to attend on course. We have lost a generation and dont think we are doing enough to attract newbies, eithout them industry is stuffed. What happened to the brainstorming? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 sorely missing 50 cent doubles and on course exchange trebles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Brodie said: You are correct Ranga. Crowd never flash when it is wet snd the fact that they want to charge $20 to get in For nothing extra is very puzzling indeed. Hope Rangiora club do well today but know it is a dumb idea to charge when we need people to attend on course. We have lost a generation and dont think we are doing enough to attract newbies, eithout them industry is stuffed. What happened to the brainstorming? It's a joke my old mate. The clowns are running the show. Useless administrators, stipes, cEOs. Kind Jacinda. No one can think? You are on the money as nearly always my old mate. What were they thinking? $10 to get in for a lolly scramble and wave from Santa. Joke. The weather has had the last laugh my old mate... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Davis said: You are on the money as nearly always my old mate. What were they thinking? $10 to get in for a lolly scramble and wave from Santa. Joke. The weather has had the last laugh my old mate... the weather has deterred me not the $10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, Davis said: It's a joke my old mate. The clowns are running the show. Useless administrators, stipes, cEOs. Kind Jacinda. No one can think? You are on the money as nearly always my old mate. What were they thinking? $10 to get in for a lolly scramble and wave from Santa. Joke. The weather has had the last laugh my old mate... Yep there are just so many in authoritive positions that really should not be. No success in business but they somehow keep getting into these positions even though they are not flash. It is so important to get new people into racing whether it be punters or owners otherwise racing is stuffed. Charging a couple $20 is madness should be incentivising people to drive out to Rangiora race course not the other way around! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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