D Weir!

[Joe Bloggs]

Low Bastard escaped conviction for torturing his horses eh? Judge said he should be ashamed of himself, 35 big ones the fine, eh?.........pleaded guilty the low prick, eh? Arsehole of the highest order....eh?........whats the betting he will apply for a licence again........and sooner rather than later, and lets see what arseholes offer him horses....eh?......FFS!

[Joe Bloggs]

I must add in light of there being 92 views and not one comment, that this low prick had his charges downgraded from torture to abuse, which he pleaded guilty to.

Hopefully the animal activists will do the right thing, if and when RVL sanction his return to the training ranks they swing into action and stop those meetings, Yes it will harm good honest people financially, however if they allow him back it sanctions animal cruelty.

Hitting a horse with a jigger [harping] happens, it happens a lot, most of us know that, but hitting a horse in a confined space, [treadmill] in the very early hours is torture, not abuse and sadly the presiding judge is misguided, there is no place in racing for Weir, what he did usurps what the Aquanita trainers did by a country mile, and the likes of Robert Smerdon will never be seen on a racecourse again, this should apply to one D Weir IMO.

In closing D Weir has one of racings worst rap sheets, it reads like Tolstoy's War and Peace, it's too long to post here, I urge you to google him and read it, if you have a spare hour or so, to NZ 's credit, in all my time in racing I don't know of one Kiwi who offended like this cretan, maybe the blue magic damnation, but not in all reality.

That's where your lack of gambling culture has saved you, as unfortunately gambling in the wash up brings out the worst in people, seldom the best........

Thanks.

JB.

[Tesio]

Surely there is no chance RV can give him a licence to train. What’s the point of having animal welfare policies if they do?

[nomates]

24 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

I must add in light of there being 92 views and not one comment, that this low prick had his charges downgraded from torture to abuse, which he pleaded guilty to.

Hopefully the animal activists will do the right thing, if and when RVL sanction his return to the training ranks they swing into action and stop those meetings, Yes it will harm good honest people financially, however if they allow him back it sanctions animal cruelty.

Hitting a horse with a jigger [harping] happens, it happens a lot, most of us know that, but hitting a horse in a confined space, [treadmill] in the very early hours is torture, not abuse and sadly the presiding judge is misguided, there is no place in racing for Weir, what he did usurps what the Aquanita trainers did by a country mile, and the likes of Robert Smerdon will never be seen on a racecourse again, this should apply to one D Weir IMO.

In closing D Weir has one of racings worst rap sheets, it reads like Tolstoy's War and Peace, it's too long to post here, I urge you to google him and read it, if you have a spare hour or so, to NZ 's credit, in all my time in racing I don't know of one Kiwi who offended like this cretan, maybe the blue magic damnation, but not in all reality.

That's where your lack of gambling culture has saved you, as unfortunately gambling in the wash up brings out the worst in people, seldom the best........

Thanks.

JB.

Be interesting what kind of reception he gets if he gets re licenced , and who sends him horses . If you cared about your horse and wanted to ensure it's safety and well being it wouldn't be going to him .

[aquaman]

Looks like the Judge saw it for what it always was, a witch hunt, hence the fine only. I see his time is up Feb 2023, so I expect he will apply for his license back and being he's served his time, and assuming all fines paid, then no reason to stop him coming back. My opinion there will be many owners willing to entrust him with horses.

[Chief Stipe]

38 minutes ago, aquaman said:

Looks like the Judge saw it for what it always was, a witch hunt, hence the fine only. I see his time is up Feb 2023, so I expect he will apply for his license back and being he's served his time, and assuming all fines paid, then no reason to stop him coming back. My opinion there will be many owners willing to entrust him with horses.

I tend to agree.  Weir took the Moody approach although probably with some commercial considerations.  Plea bargain to a lesser charge and then the whole hunt stops.  Obviously there wasn't enough evidence to pursue any greater charge or the prosecution wouldn't have agreed.  As some of the INCA targets have experienced it costs a lot to defend yourself when up against someone or an institution that has endless buckets of money and no accountability for how they spend it.

 

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

That's where your lack of gambling culture has saved you, as unfortunately gambling in the wash up brings out the worst in people, seldom the best........

Isn't horse racing going from strength to strength in Victoria and NSW?  No wonder you feel at home in OZ!  Taking the PC high ground in NZ doesn't seem to be working too well does it?

[Tesio]

Are we not still waiting on the outcome of animal cruelty charges for a galloping training in the Sth Island? I just went on the RIB website and they only have decisions up to 29th July, what’s with that, they must need more money to keep their website updated. 

[Joe Bloggs]

24 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Isn't horse racing going from strength to strength in Victoria and NSW?  No wonder you feel at home in OZ!  Taking the PC high ground in NZ doesn't seem to be working too well does it?

I'd expect that from you, but Aquaman surprises me, if you have a ''whatever it takes'' mantra then is says a lot about you.....thankfully people who think like you are in the minority. The judge is woke, Victoria is woke, and for fucks sake, racing is woke or going woke......the stewards to their credit pursued, the judiciary went down the same old same old.......lets sit back and see what and if transpires, there is a shitstorm over here, and again I point out, the Aquanita trainers were using top ups of bi-carb,....race day.......naughty naughty......but hardly cruelty, the likes of Smerdon and Vasil we shall not see again, Stuart Webb applied and was told DCM......that bloke will never recover, no place in racing for cruel bastards Aqua/Chief, you think there is? shame on you....

[aquaman]

I agree with you Bloggs on the fact Victoria has gone woke. You have a tyrant running the state in Andrews, how they voted that bastard back in has got me beat, says a lot about the electorate. Supreme Court and in general the Judiciary are downright bent, so it comes as a surprise Weir got off without conviction. But hey, he was due some luck, and must of run into a Judge that could think and act honestly on his own volition.

To Weirs credit, he gave Miss Payne her big break where none of the other trainers did.

[Joe Bloggs]

Michelle was a ground breaker, plenty of gals were given a chance, especially Moods with Linda from Pongaroa!.........my problem with Weir Aqua is the way he 'zapped' the horses, the judge probably doesn't know which end kicks, the level of cruelty is arguable, the stewards did their job, like the police used to do before they too became woke, it's always been the judiciary that defy the very thing they are meant to uphold......

This fucking rat terrorised horses, to get results, to get that,....you know.....competitive edge, and it will be the same old, same old low bastards that support him on his way back........I could name them now, it's bleeding bloody obvious, but I'll let them out themselves Aqua, and cheer on the activists when they strike........to grow and maintain our brilliant industry we need it to be clean and to be seen to be clean..........

Ben Currie is yet to be re-licenced here in QLD, he got off the harping allegations but did time for plenty more indiscretions but Weir has the most disgusting rap sheet, and yet the people that supported him turned a blind eye? the other cheek?....FFS, where's integrity, is it just about the bottom line and fuck the horses....is it?.......I think you're on the money with a lot of your posts, the Chief not so much, so hopefully you'll re-think it Aqua, cos deep down I reckon you agree the horse comes first, and to those that don't....fuck off.

Thank You.

JB. 

[Chief Stipe]

42 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Smerdon and Vasil

Vasil got three years didn't he?

[Joe Bloggs]

Tony wont be back, I know Tony well, same as Mark Riley, we are all Caulfield boys, from the Grosvenor and Zedative days, it took a toll on Mark and Tony, I hope like hell this prick realises what will happen if he sticks his head above the parapet.

[nod]

For some reason I think of the thousands of people held in institutions. strapped in chairs and zapped with electricity by those who felt they knew best.

[The Centaur]

Joe Bloggs

You are totally over the top with your comments. Weir to his credit was willing to plead guilty 3 years ago but instead dubious charges of conspiracy to defraud were laid. For heavens sake having a $50 bet in the Melbourne Cup was deemed by some as "conspiracy" There are far worse instances of cruelty around than Weir's so lets have some consistency. 

Given the number of horses Weir was responsible for his "rap sheet" as you describe it I thought was quite stellar.

[Joe Bloggs]

30 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

Joe Bloggs

You are totally over the top with your comments. Weir to his credit was willing to plead guilty 3 years ago but instead dubious charges of conspiracy to defraud were laid. For heavens sake having a $50 bet in the Melbourne Cup was deemed by some as "conspiracy" There are far worse instances of cruelty around than Weir's so lets have some consistency. 

Given the number of horses Weir was responsible for his "rap sheet" as you describe it I thought was quite stellar.

Did you see where I said ''Fuck Off''?......guess what....Fuck Off.......dick..............you condone that you know jack shit about horses, and fear, .........thankfully fuckwit, you're in the minority, horse welfare is paramount, at least on the other channel the boss is in agreement and that doesn't happen often.......come in Chief.

[nomates]

1 hour ago, The Centaur said:

You are totally over the top with your comments

And you must be living in cave on a very small island in the middle of a very large ocean .

[The Centaur]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

And you must be living in cave on a very small island in the middle of a very large ocean .

Its when someone can't present a rational argument they resort to personal abuse.

Maybe you consider capital punishment as an appropriate penalty. After all the financial cost to Weir has been massive.

[nomates]

9 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

Its when someone can't present a rational argument they resort to personal abuse.

Maybe you consider capital punishment as an appropriate penalty. After all the financial cost to Weir has been massive.

You want a rationale debate , he was caught being cruel to 3 horses , use of electrical jiggers and poly poles . He's a cruel bastard .

They say he wasn't cruel by nature , if you do it once i'll give you some space , you do it 3 times then you have a cruel streak . Because someone who isn't cruel feels contrition after the first time and won't do it again , you do it numerous times you are a cruel bastard , and more so when you do it for financial gain .

Got no idea what the financial cost to him has to do with any of it , he brought on himself .

But go on , justify it , you won't be able to help yourself because you just don't get it .

I hope you have no animals in your care , i'm sure giving your dog a boot is showing it love in your world .

[The Centaur]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

You want a rationale debate , he was caught being cruel to 3 horses , use of electrical jiggers and poly poles . He's a cruel bastard .

They say he wasn't cruel by nature , if you do it once i'll give you some space , you do it 3 times then you have a cruel streak . Because someone who isn't cruel feels contrition after the first time and won't do it again , you do it numerous times you are a cruel bastard , and more so when you do it for financial gain .

Got no idea what the financial cost to him has to do with any of it , he brought on himself .

But go on , justify it , you won't be able to help yourself because you just don't get it .

I hope you have no animals in your care , i'm sure giving your dog a boot is showing it love in your world .

Your argument is illogical. You say Weir is a cruel bastard. Maybe you assume the thousands who shared in the ownership of horses trained by him, the staff fellow participants all were ignorant. There is no way he would have risen to the heights he did if was "a cruel bastard". Have a bit sense. All you are doing is getting on a self righteous bandwaggon with no on the ground knowledge.

[Gammalite]

37 minutes ago, nomates said:

I hope you have no animals in your care , i'm sure giving your dog a boot is showing it love in your world

What sort of comment is that ??? An article about Joe on a swearing bender on someone he hates, and you come out with that against a forum poster who you have NO IDEA if he does animal cruelty or not ...  

People are crueller to each other more than animals. Have a look at All the political hatred on these sites. And you guys turning on each other because of something Weir did. I just completed Jury Service not that long ago and Cruelty you See,  by people To Each other makes one sick. (Bit like comments on this thread in a way) . 

Nearly All trainers look after their horses like Pets . (as far as I have seen through the 2 countries) I'm sure the Forum Posters do too?.

[Joe Bloggs]

1 minute ago, The Centaur said:

Your argument is illogical. You say Weir is a cruel bastard. Maybe you assume the thousands who shared in the ownership of horses trained by him, the staff fellow participants all were ignorant. There is no way he would have risen to the heights he did if was "a cruel bastard". Have a bit sense. All you are doing is getting on a self righteous bandwaggon with no on the ground knowledge.

What a load of crap, how the fuck do you think he got to the heights he did? Horses run on adrenaline, some on fear, some on both, increase the fear factor and as they are flight animals,...kaboom........I shouldn't ague with dysfunctional people or I may become dysfunctional.........self righteous? I think the majority of us are with NM......it's the horses he gives a fuck about, clearly you don't......you're losing this debate, best go outside and kick the cat/dog, strangle the budgie......go on, I know you want to.

[Joe Bloggs]

6 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

What sort of comment is that ??? An article about Joe on a swearing bender on someone he hates, and you come out with that against a forum poster who you have NO IDEA if he does animal cruelty or not ...  

People are crueller to each other more than animals. Have a look at All the political hatred on these sites. And you guys turning on each other because of something Weir did. I just completed Jury Service not that long ago and Cruelty you See,  by people To Each other makes one sick. (Bit like comments on this thread in a way) . 

Nearly All trainers look after their horses like Pets . (as far as I have seen through the 2 countries) I'm sure the Forum Posters do too?.

Weir's rap sheet clearly shows he will do whatever it takes Gamma, the guys a c--t, if I ever caught my trainer harping a horse on a treadmill, I'd take my own justice.......headlines the next day.........you can betcha booties on that. I do know my current trainer abhors cruelty, and would never hurt a horse through devious means, I could tell you some standardbred cruelty stories Gamma, but I bet you've heard a few yourself......the advantage of training on a circle in the middle of nowhere sadly, harder to get away with at a huge public galloping track, happily.

[nomates]

14 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

Your argument is illogical. You say Weir is a cruel bastard. Maybe you assume the thousands who shared in the ownership of horses trained by him, the staff fellow participants all were ignorant. There is no way he would have risen to the heights he did if was "a cruel bastard". Have a bit sense. All you are doing is getting on a self righteous bandwaggon with no on the ground knowledge.

And there you go .

[The Centaur]

1 hour ago, Joe Bloggs said:

What a load of crap, how the fuck do you think he got to the heights he did? Horses run on adrenaline, some on fear, some on both, increase the fear factor and as they are flight animals,...kaboom........I shouldn't ague with dysfunctional people or I may become dysfunctional.........self righteous? I think the majority of us are with NM......it's the horses he gives a fuck about, clearly you don't......you're losing this debate, best go outside and kick the cat/dog, strangle the budgie......go on, I know you want to.

By needing to twist the argument you are losing. Where have I said I condone "jiggering"? For your deafness and closed mindedness I will reiterate.  I consider the punishment to Weir has been well and truly sufficient and taken nobly by him.