D Weir!

[nomates]

5 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Bear with me and I'll elaborate a tad Billy, simply by your reference to Tommy Smith and anabolic assistance.

Way back in the good old days when I trained at Flemington I got several horses from a leading SYD stable, over a period of several years we won plenty of races City and country, pulled off some massive plunges, once taking half a million off the bookmakers at Flemington and Moonee Valley in a two week bonanza.

The secret?.....really bloody simple, those ex Syd horses were on water based anabolics, stanozolol to be precise, I, acting on the advice of my vet [arguably the best in MEL] put them on oil based anabolics,  boldenone, the results spoke for themselves.

Those steroids were legal Billy, had been for decades, once we were told to stop, we did, and here's a sting in the tail, one leading MEL stable didn't stop, they had an edge, in the guise of an informed Vet, someone who knew RV weren't testing and of course that stable won plenty.

Eventually, well some 12 months down the track, all steroids were banned and they tested rigorously and some fell foul, but the plunges that used to come off started to wane, it became a level playing field again, and the skills of certain trainers came to the fore.

One trainer especially, still training today, arguably the best we have seen, someone I'd happily give my neddies to, once he moves to a 'serious' training and racing centre.

Hope this helps Billy.

JB.

Won't help .

[Joe Bloggs]

BTW Billy, steroids aren't/weren't cruel mate, my stable dog was 16, in his last year, to help him we gave him a steroid, he thought he was Brad Pitt right up until his final days, used properly they are marvellous, it's only the fuckwit, small kahuna gym junkie fool that thought steroids were the ants pants and abused the fuck out of them, and paid the ultimate price.

HGH on the other hand.......?

[nomates]

8 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

BTW Billy, steroids aren't/weren't cruel mate, my stable dog was 16, in his last year, to help him we gave him a steroid, he thought he was Brad Pitt right up until his final days, used properly they are marvellous, it's only the fuckwit, small kahuna gym junkie fool that thought steroids were the ants pants and abused the fuck out of them, and paid the ultimate price.

HGH on the other hand.......?

I get steriods , cortasone actually in both shoulders once every 4/5 months , fuck you should see me run .

[Joe Bloggs]

11 minutes ago, nomates said:

I get steriods , cortasone actually in both shoulders once every 4/5 months , fuck you should see me run .

Ive seen your passport, your real name was Jim Junkie wasn't it?.....played right back for Rangers?

[Chief Stipe]

Have you tried anger management courses @Joe Bloggs?

[Joe Bloggs]

2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Have you tried anger management courses @Joe Bloggs?

Yep, passed!

[Joe Bloggs]

They said I was the best at it they'd seen, gave me a diploma and I thanked them vey fuckin much....

[Gammalite]

21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Have you tried anger management courses @Joe Bloggs?

[nomates]

1 minute ago, Gammalite said:

Looks like Joe on a good day , most can't handle the truth .

[nomates]

22 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Yep, passed!

 

21 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

They said I was the best at it they'd seen, gave me a diploma and I thanked them vey fuckin much....

I told you , you were my best ever student , the other 2 were shite .

[nomates]

I can tell you one thing Joe , those guys that do the carbon dating would have a field day with some of the old fossils on here .

[Joe Bloggs]

11 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Thats me, the one on the left.....

[Joe Bloggs]

8 minutes ago, nomates said:

I can tell you one thing Joe , those guys that do the carbon dating would have a field day with some of the old fossils on here .

Well their thinking that's for sure NM.

[aquaman]

38 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Have you tried anger management courses @Joe Bloggs?

He's certainly got a fixation on Darren Weir. counselling may be in order.

[Joe Bloggs]

6 minutes ago, aquaman said:

He's certainly got a fixation on Darren Weir. counselling may be in order.

Not just Weir Aqua, any turd that needs a battery to get a result with a horse. Worse if it's 2am and in a confined space while being caned with a piece of poly hose as well..... In fact anyone that needs to dope also, there's a low bastard still training that pumped EPO into one of his, pleaded guilty the prick, EPO is as bad, or worse than a battery, it can be lethal, most survive the battery, the Judge seemed to think although Weir should be ashamed of himself, there was no long term damage to the horses......FFS. 

 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, aquaman said:

He's certainly got a fixation on Darren Weir. counselling may be in order.

I always wonder where do you draw the line as a Thoroughbred Enthusiast.  Afterall we train an animal to do something that it isn't designed to do even after 200 years of inbreeding.

[curious]

28 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

 the Judge seemed to think although Weir should be ashamed of himself, there was no long term damage to the horses......FFS. 

 

Yeahh well they should put the judge on one of those horses carrying something that the horse thinks is a battery and turn him loose.

[Chief Stipe]

28 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

there's a low bastard still training that pumped EPO into one of his, pleaded guilty the prick, EPO is as bad, or worse than a battery,

How is it "worse than a battery"?  Is it worse than oil based steroids that you were keen to once use?

[The Centaur]

15 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

BTW Chief, you'll be pleased to learn RVL have reopened the case now they are in possession of the 'videos'........wow, this will be interesting, he was charged with possession, maybe now they'll recharge him with.....wating for it....drum roll.........USE!.........those dastardly Police had the videos, the woke magistrate didn't think the horses suffered too much, ooooh, ...just a little bit........no long term damage though........woopy doo, how the fuck does he know anything about long term damage? How?.....what a talent this man is, he talks to horses.....FFS, this at least might take another turn now, if RVL do the right thing, and maybe, just maybe they will.

JB. The way law works is that judges listen to expert opinion.

So here it is. NB Dr McLean no relation to the other McLean

Dr McLean said there was no evidence of the horses exhibiting pain when struck on the treadmill, but that thoroughbreds would not be able to do so while galloping.

He told the court he could not say whether an electric charge was applied to the horses, only that a device was applied.

Dr McLean said the device used in the video appeared to be a normal hand-held prodder that was available for use on cattle.

"Unless I felt the surge myself, no-one can be sure (if electricity was used)," he said.

"When horses are moving (on a treadmill), all they can do is keep moving. They can't go faster because they'd crash."

Chief Steward Robert Cram faced the committal hearing and was questioned about his analysis of the footage.

Victoria Police allege that the Weir-trained gallopers Yogi, Red Cardinal and Tosen Basil were hit with a conducted energy device while running on a treadmill and wearing blinkers on October 31.

Mr Cram was asked whether he saw the horses react or suffer any pain.

"I can't answer that for the horse, but I believe it was being used on them," Mr Cram said.

"I didn't see the horses react."

[Joe Bloggs]

4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

How is it "worse than a battery"?  Is it worse than oil based steroids that you were keen to once use?

Let me put you out of your misery, although Nomates might argue that's impossible.

Steroids back then were legal, and therapeutic, prescribed by reputable vets, EPO is used for kidney patients, a coagulation drug producing red blood cells in ''large' numbers........why would you even think their is a correlation Chief? You are beginning to worry me Chief.......seek help lad.

[Joe Bloggs]

4 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

JB. The way law works is that judges listen to expert opinion.

So here it is. NB Dr McLean no relation to the other McLean

Dr McLean said there was no evidence of the horses exhibiting pain when struck on the treadmill, but that thoroughbreds would not be able to do so while galloping.

He told the court he could not say whether an electric charge was applied to the horses, only that a device was applied.

Dr McLean said the device used in the video appeared to be a normal hand-held prodder that was available for use on cattle.

"Unless I felt the surge myself, no-one can be sure (if electricity was used)," he said.

"When horses are moving (on a treadmill), all they can do is keep moving. They can't go faster because they'd crash."

Chief Steward Robert Cram faced the committal hearing and was questioned about his analysis of the footage.

Victoria Police allege that the Weir-trained gallopers Yogi, Red Cardinal and Tosen Basil were hit with a conducted energy device while running on a treadmill and wearing blinkers on October 31.

Mr Cram was asked whether he saw the horses react or suffer any pain.

"I can't answer that for the horse, but I believe it was being used on them," Mr Cram said.

"I didn't see the horses react."

You'll find Mr Cram is no longer involved with new stipendiary panel TC.......that says a lot.

[curious]

38 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

"When horses are moving (on a treadmill), all they can do is keep moving. They can't go faster because they'd crash."

Haha. Brilliant. When I've used a treadmill if we want them to go faster we speed up the treadmill. What a stupid remark from an "expert" witness.

Be pretty easy to measure the speeds off the video. Did they bother?

Edited December 16, 2022 by curious

[nomates]

23 minutes ago, curious said:

Haha. Brilliant. When I've used a treadmill if we want them to go faster we speed up the treadmill. What a stupid remark from an "expert" witness.

Be pretty easy to measure the speeds off the video. Did they bother?

Seems a lot of stupid remarks going about .

[aquaman]

On a scale of one to ten I would rate Weir's cruelty to the 3 horses concerned at no more than a one. About the same level as an electric fence or dog collar. Very little to see here other than hype and melodrama. Personally 6 months would of been reasonable. Just my view Bloggs, mind you if a jigger was used during a race then I would support a life ban, not because its cruel, but because its cheating on a grand scale.

[Gammalite]

3 minutes ago, aquaman said:

On a scale of one to ten I would rate Weir's cruelty to the 3 horses concerned at no more than a one. About the same level as an electric fence or dog collar. Very little to see here other than hype and melodrama. Personally 6 months would of been reasonable. Just my view Bloggs, mind you if a jigger was used during a race then I would support a life ban, not because its cruel, but because its cheating on a grand scale.

The case did go to law courts so quite severe you would think. Way more than a one rating. Just Not Acceptable these days of horse welfare issues. His lawyer worked the plea bargain (as he should as that what lawyers do)

And along with the 💰 fine , the hefty disqualification of 4 years, and the complete shattering of his reputation there has been a Lot of Penalty dished out to Weir You can't exactly put his head and hands in stocks or anything, .And as some posters have sensibly pointed out , there is a LOT of behind the scenes 'activity' that goes on (and more than one person involved too.)  But once you've served your time dished out from authorities (and courts) you're free to move on . Not ideal for a lot of criminals but you just have to rely on the justice system, like it or lump it. 

I remember batteries in whips and that sort of thing (did Not use one myself) but stewards always checked after races the whips as you came back to scale , Before giving the All Clear.