Greymouth

[Joe Bloggs]

28 minutes ago, Reefton said:

Don't blame you Brent and the Club's apologies for that but as I said I was not aware and now it has cost us a runner(s) in the event.  We would love to have had Pam and the horse there after going so close last year but more things out of our control and which leads to us being embarrassed by other people's actions

Could you email me the page from the online calendar so I can launch a protest to NZTR please.  brian@molloy.co.nz

Not that it will do any good but I don't mind giving them a bollocking

Suspect from the number of undeclared riders we are going to get smashed with scratchings but little we can do about that.

 

 

Now if Riccarton had you they'd be a ''Super Club' instead of a laughing stock, why aren;'t there more like you in our industry? Your'e a wasted talent, and I'm not pulling your chain, I bet the fuckers at Petone read this site and shudder....Sharrock probably drops his gingernuts in his tea........now that would hurt a bit but you get my gist, every club should have a proactive and responsible management team, I imagine the enthusiasm is waning a tad though, sad that.

 

[curious]

44 minutes ago, Reefton said:

Don't blame you Brent and the Club's apologies for that but as I said I was not aware and now it has cost us a runner(s) in the event.  We would love to have had Pam and the horse there after going so close last year but more things out of our control and which leads to us being embarrassed by other people's actions

Could you email me the page from the online calendar so I can launch a protest to NZTR please.  brian@molloy.co.nz

Not that it will do any good but I don't mind giving them a bollocking

Suspect from the number of undeclared riders we are going to get smashed with scratchings but little we can do about that.

 

 

As current in the online RPG.

[curious]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

As for not nominating because it was an Open.  Hell when was the last time there was a true Open Handicap race in the South Island let alone the North other than on a Premier Day?  Even then they are scratching to get enough high rated horses.

Try the Kumara Nuggets. 6 noms above R81 for 5k more than the Reefton race.

[Reefton]

35 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Now if Riccarton had you they'd be a ''Super Club' instead of a laughing stock, why aren;'t there more like you in our industry? Your'e a wasted talent, and I'm not pulling your chain, I bet the fuckers at Petone read this site and shudder....Sharrock probably drops his gingernuts in his tea........now that would hurt a bit but you get my gist, every club should have a proactive and responsible management team, I imagine the enthusiasm is waning a tad though, sad that.

 

Wrong surname JB but don't lay it on too thick my head will start to swell

Edited January 3, 2023 by Reefton

[curious]

39 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Now if Riccarton had you they'd be a ''Super Club' instead of a laughing stock, why aren;'t there more like you in our industry? Your'e a wasted talent, and I'm not pulling your chain, I bet the fuckers at Petone read this site and shudder....Sharrock probably drops his gingernuts in his tea........now that would hurt a bit but you get my gist, every club should have a proactive and responsible management team, I imagine the enthusiasm is waning a tad though, sad that.

 

Totally agree. We are moving back to North Canterbury next month. I could quietly race a couple, continue to be a nuisance, offer to help or bugger off and take up golf or something. The latter seems far the most attractive and most likely option.

Edited January 3, 2023 by curious

[curious]

34 minutes ago, curious said:

As current in the online RPG.

And I note they have changed it to an R81 not a BM81 so you wouldn't have any 81+ horses in there for those conditions.

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, curious said:

Try the Kumara Nuggets. 6 noms above R81 for 5k more than the Reefton race.

I didn't realise we now classify anything above R81 as Open.

[Doomed]

As someone mentioned above, the policy seems to be if there isn't a horse in the 90s accepted for an open race it becomes whatever rating in the 80s the top weight is assessed at. Been going on for a while now. So there was no point calling it a benchmark race as the highest rated accepter was an 81. It was originally an open race. The exception seems to be a race like the Marton Cup, which is a listed race with an 87 top weight. I presume because it is a listed race it has to stay as an open race even if it does attract a lowly rated field. If it wasn't a listed race and needed to maintain the prestigious international standing of NZ racing I presume it would have become a rating 87 race.

[Doomed]

Following on from my last post I notice the Marton Cup has an 87 top weight and just four horses rated over 81. The Kumara Cup has a 90 top weight with five horses rated over 82. So don't be surprised if next year the Nuggets is a listed race and the Marton Cup will be worth about $30,000. Isn't that the way things work?

[Reefton]

7 minutes ago, Doomed said:

As someone mentioned above, the policy seems to be if there isn't a horse in the 90s accepted for an open race it becomes whatever rating in the 80s the top weight is assessed at. Been going on for a while now. So there was no point calling it a benchmark race as the highest rated accepter was an 81. It was originally an open race. The exception seems to be a race like the Marton Cup, which is a listed race with an 87 top weight. I presume because it is a listed race it has to stay as an open race even if it does attract a lowly rated field. If it wasn't a listed race and needed to maintain the prestigious international standing of NZ racing I presume it would have become a rating 87 race.

Apparently that is exactly correct.  It reverts to the rating of the highest weighted horse if there is none above a certain rating.

Bit of a bugger for connections who do not want to gain huge rating points by winning an open handicap to then find it has been downgraded to an R81(and I am assuming this is what happened there with Light Up).  How the hell are you supposed to have certainty when the ground under you keeps shifting?

 

[Reefton]

And my old staple grumble....

Those who watched Geymouth yesterday and(fingers crossed) Reefton tomorrow and Kumara Saturday.  Kurow, Teherenikau Thames Gisborne Wairoa in their day.  Big crowds out enjoying Summer racing on tracks that are safe if not Flemington standard.  What in God's name is the rationale for closing course where people want to go?????  Racing needs all the friends(AND exposure to the masses) it can get but what is the thought process?  Shut em down and treat the remainder like shiite

Incidentally Dunedin boxing day with $400K or thereabouts in stakes - $63k oncourse turnover(I understand).  Greymouth did over 80k yesterday on $130k in stakes Kumara will do $300k minimum Saturday on similar to Grey.  Do they not want people introduced to racing?  We will do $70k maybe given a coupe of light fields and only seven races.  Waikouaiti(which is the bugbear meeting for us) will be flat doing $60k on another $350k plus stakes day.  Something does not add up here and someone is far too dim to recognise it  

 

[Doomed]

3 minutes ago, Reefton said:

 

Incidentally Dunedin boxing day with $400K or thereabouts in stakes - $63k oncourse turnover(I understand).  

 

Sadly that does not surprise me, but it still disgusts me. The stakes money being poured into Wingatui is unbelievable. It has always been an under-performing venue turnover wise.

There are hardly even any trainers left there, but it seems to have been identified as the great white hope of SI racing.

[Doomed]

7 minutes ago, Reefton said:

  Something does not add up here and someone is far too dim to recognise it  

 

I don't think they are dim at all. Everything is going exactly to plan. It's just a hopeless plan.

I think a total management clean out is the only thing that can help NZ Racing. It won't save it as too much damage has already been done, but it might enable the industry to identify some sort of viable level.

[Reefton]

3 minutes ago, Doomed said:

Sadly that does not surprise me, but it still disgusts me. The stakes money being poured into Wingatui is unbelievable. It has always been an under-performing venue turnover wise.

There are hardly even any trainers left there, but it seems to have been identified as the great white hope of SI racing.

I don't want to drag another down to build ourselves up(there are some good people on the ORC and in the area) but the number of feature days at that venue does seem a little disproportionate to the return on stakes investment

[Reefton]

1 minute ago, Doomed said:

I don't think they are dim at all. Everything is going exactly to plan. It's just a hopeless plan.

I think a total management clean out is the only thing that can help NZ Racing. It won't save it as too much damage has already been done, but it might enable the industry to identify some sort of viable level.

If you could access he database of NZTR info a revolution both there and at the TAB along with public floggings of the Board Members and the CEO's would be in order.

These people have no skin in the game nor interest in the stakeholders or future.  As I have said many times in the past the racing stakeholders are just a pain in the arse for the TAB.  they happily show the third leg of the treble from Outer Mongolia than a local race. 

[Freda]

14 minutes ago, Doomed said:

I don't think they are dim at all. Everything is going exactly to plan. It's just a hopeless plan.

I think a total management clean out is the only thing that can help NZ Racing. It won't save it as too much damage has already been done, but it might enable the industry to identify some sort of viable level.

Disagree.  They have to be dim.   Otherwise, a plan that is hopeless but still being followed religiously couldn't get any traction.

[Doomed]

20 minutes ago, Reefton said:

If you could access he database of NZTR info a revolution both there and at the TAB along with public floggings of the Board Members and the CEO's would be in order.

These people have no skin in the game nor interest in the stakeholders or future.  As I have said many times in the past the racing stakeholders are just a pain in the arse for the TAB.  they happily show the third leg of the treble from Outer Mongolia than a local race. 

I was just reading an article about the scrapping of two feature races at the Cambridge trots. Apparently the club couldn't object because the HRNZ Chairman and CEO are both on holiday.

At least if we need to find the Chairmen and CEOs of TAB and NZTR we know they will be at the Otaki races today.

[curious]

2 minutes ago, Doomed said:

I was just reading an article about the scrapping of two feature races at the Cambridge trots. Apparently the club couldn't object because the HRNZ Chairman and CEO are both on holiday.

At least if we need to find the Chairmen and CEOs of TAB and NZTR we know they will be at the Otaki races today.

Can't find either at the mo. Going to check down at the tie ups in case they are down there checking in with trainers and stable staff.

[Joe Bloggs]

A decade back I mooted root and branch reform was the only way to save NZ racing.

Purcell was from middle management at ATC   and yet he was appointed to head up NZTR? The fella was manager of the country racing council, and then some fool/s idiot/s appointed Saundry? For Gods sake did no one do their due diligence? did no one google Saundry? did no-one pick up on the Kate Goodrich fiasco? the bullying allegations? and then we have Alasdair Robertson? did no-one google him?........WTF.........and now all the bleating when many of us knew years ago what was about to happen, and those of us that spoke up and they [Petone] circled the wagons.

I mooted militant action was the only saviour and course of action, like we did here in QLD and held the Racing Queensland [QRIC] and Government to account.......it worked, strength in numbers you see, and a true consensus, however there was also a will...a strong will.......I found in NZ it was fractured, broken in fact, with so many pushing their own barrow and of course when that happens a culture evolves, a rotten culture and now the sore is festering.

Racing in NZ is in stage 4 cancer, little chance of surviving unless a life saving operation is performed, chemo not woking and radiation is of little help, so cut out the cancer, and that starts at the Taj Mahal........

The owners and breeders in NZ are toothless tigers, the trainers association are a hopeless rabble controlled by the northern mafia and the only winners are the jockeys, yet they too would benefit by a reformed NZTR......the programming is woeful, the benchmark system is not fit for purpose and we should revert to what served us all so well for decades.....

Some loudmouths vent, '' stop whinging and come up with something positive'' that being, ROOT AND BRANCH REFORM......got it......now that's being positive.

Thanks.

JB.

 

 

[Tesio]

3 hours ago, Reefton said:

And my old staple grumble....

Those who watched Geymouth yesterday and(fingers crossed) Reefton tomorrow and Kumara Saturday.  Kurow, Teherenikau Thames Gisborne Wairoa in their day.  Big crowds out enjoying Summer racing on tracks that are safe if not Flemington standard.  What in God's name is the rationale for closing course where people want to go?????  Racing needs all the friends(AND exposure to the masses) it can get but what is the thought process?  Shut em down and treat the remainder like shiite

Incidentally Dunedin boxing day with $400K or thereabouts in stakes - $63k oncourse turnover(I understand).  Greymouth did over 80k yesterday on $130k in stakes Kumara will do $300k minimum Saturday on similar to Grey.  Do they not want people introduced to racing?  We will do $70k maybe given a coupe of light fields and only seven races.  Waikouaiti(which is the bugbear meeting for us) will be flat doing $60k on another $350k plus stakes day.  Something does not add up here and someone is far too dim to recognise it  

 

Do you have off course total turnover figures also to get a proper comparison?  

[Doomed]

1 hour ago, Tesio said:

Do you have off course total turnover figures also to get a proper comparison?  

If off course turnover is such an important criteria surely you would hold as many meetings as possible at Timaru since it is the most suitable central track in the SI? Several of the winners on Boxing Day came from Timaru and Riccarton. There is no real point holding a meeting in a major City if it isn't to attract a large on course attendance.

The Riccarton track isn't up to it and the locals in Dunedin aren't interested, so surely Timaru is the most strategically important track in the SI?

[Tesio]

1 hour ago, Doomed said:

If off course turnover is such an important criteria surely you would hold as many meetings as possible at Timaru since it is the most suitable central track in the SI? Several of the winners on Boxing Day came from Timaru and Riccarton. There is no real point holding a meeting in a major City if it isn't to attract a large on course attendance.

The Riccarton track isn't up to it and the locals in Dunedin aren't interested, so surely Timaru is the most strategically important track in the SI?

Don’t you want both, crowds and large punting turnover?

[Doomed]

6 minutes ago, Tesio said:

Don’t you want both, crowds and large punting turnover?

Ideally yes.

[boobybec]

On other news wasnt it great to see Paul Harris have a winner yesterday.  A gifted horseman, now the winners will start flowing im sure

[Tesio]

8 minutes ago, boobybec said:

On other news wasnt it great to see Paul Harris have a winner yesterday.  A gifted horseman, now the winners will start flowing im sure

I’m not sure 2 winners from 165 starters is that gifted